Has the Holy Spirit explicitly led you to keep the Sabbath?

[JLB777]

Hebrews 4 is in harmony with the commandment of God and Paul said what matters is keeping the commandments of God, which of course includes the 4th commandment.


Hebrews 4:1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. Jesus promises to give us His spiritual rest and we should fear that we might come short of His rest.

2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. It's the same gospel being preached from the beginning, not a new gospel, but the word did not profit them (the Israelites) because they did not have faith when they heard it.


3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:
“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Those who do not believe (His word) do not enter into rest. Note unbelief and disobedience are used interchangeably in Hebrews 4:6. The spiritual rest was available from the foundation of the world- Genesis 2:1-3


4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; (direct reference to Genesis 2:1-3) 5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”

6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, Those who did not enter into this rest disobeyed and what they disobeyed was the Sabbath Ezekiel 20:13

7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”

This is a direct quote from David Psalms 95.

Today, if you will hear His voice:
Pslams 95: 8 “Do not harden your hearts, as in the rebellion,
As in the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 When your fathers tested Me;
They tried Me, though they saw My work.
10 For forty years I was grieved with that generation,
And said, ‘It is a people who go astray in their hearts,
And they do not know My ways.’ (Ezekiel 20:13, Isaiah 58:13)
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

This is a call to obedience and worship. "Today" if you hear His voice, don't harden your hearts. Don't wait for "another day" to obey God. He is calling you "today"

Hebrews 4:9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.
Rest here is sabbatismos which literally means keeping of the Sabbath. So this verse says there remains a keeping of the Sabbath for the people of God.

σαββατισμὸς (sabbatismos)
Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's 4520: A keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

To enter into the Spiritual rest you must also cease from your work (Exodus 20:8-11) just as God did from His (Genesis 2:1-3)
The only day we were told to cease from our work is the seventh day Sabbath. All other days are working days according to God. Exodus 20:9

To receive the spiritual rest in Christ you must keep the Sabbath commandment, this is the door to enter into the spiritual rest in Christ. We work six days and the seventh day Christ wants to give us spiritual rest by having communion with him for a full 24 hours not speaking our words but speaking the words of Christ, not doing our ways but the ways of Christ. In return when we keep the Sabbath God blesses and sanctifies us. Isaiah 58:13-14 Ezekiel 20:12

Please show us where Jesus Christ or any writers of the New Testament instructed the Church as to how to observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant.

 

[JLB777]

I like your signature scripture, just a few comments on it though...

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs(sinners) and sorcerers (Breaking commandment #1 Exodus 20:3) and sexually immoral (breaking commandment #7 Exodus 20:14) and murderers (breaking commandment #6 Exodus 20:13) and idolaters (breaking commandment #2 Exodus 20:4-6), and whoever loves and practices a lie (breaking # 9 Exodus 20:16). The commandments are a unit of Ten Exodus 20 Exodus 34:28 all written by the finger of God Exodus 31:18 and James says you break one of these commandments quoting from the Ten we break them all. James 2:10-12. Jesus said not to break the least of these commandments quoting from the Ten Matthew 5:19-30

I think practicing a lie would also be considered not seeking to follow Truth in scripture.

John 17:17 Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.

Genesis 2:3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it,

Ezekiel 20:12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.

John 4:23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Isaiah 66:23 And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

Please show us where Jesus Christ or any writers of the New Testament instructed the Church as to how to observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant.

 

[JLB777]

Brother, the chapter divisions were added later by humans and do not come from God. The book of Genesis is where my understanding of Hebrews 3 and 4 began. "Evening" and "morning" do not mean "night" and "day"! God defined "day" and "night" in the prior sentence and chose not to use those defined words when He used other words at the end of the first day, because He is saying something different than what Joshua assumed based on the Sabbath that God gave in the Promised Land that falls earlier and is not the seventh day of the week in the Promised Land.

Then God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. Then he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day” and the darkness “night.” And evening passed and morning came, marking the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NLT)​

God chose not to say "night" and "day" when He said "evening" and "morning", which He uses differently from "night" and "day" in the following passage. God is not saying below what people have assumed above with the word "evening", because He chose to say something else above using other words than "night" and "day". God does not use "evening" below, the way people use it above. He is not saying from the "night" of the ninth day of the month to the "night" of the tenth as He defined those words above to mean what He chose not to say using different words that He uses below differently from how people use them above. The way God uses "evening" below helps us understand what He means above. He means above that a "night" ends the first day from "evening to morning", because the days of the week begin with "morning to evening", which God called "day". The same word above as "evening" is translated below as "sundown".

This will be a Sabbath day of complete rest for you, and on that day you must deny yourselves. This day of rest will begin at sundown on the ninth day of the month and extend until sundown on the tenth day.” (Leviticus 23:32 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

The Church is not under the law of Moses.



Please show us where Jesus Christ or any writers of the New Testament instructed the Church as to how to observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

All you quote is from the Old Covenant. If you believe Jesus Christ is not the Messiah, and that you are still under the law and of Moses, then by all means

Me personally, I am in Christ, and am part of the New Covenant.


Here is what the Spirit of Jesus Christ instructed us through His Apostle Paul.


having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:14-17


If believe you are supposed to observe the Sabbath according to the law of Moses then go for it.


Please show us where Jesus Christ or any writers of the New Testament instructed the Church as to how to observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant.



JLB

You’re repeating yourself without addressing any of my posts or scriptures that was posted. We should seek Truth in scriptures, but we have free will.

I am reposting this for your reference.

Colossians 2:14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

You have to look at the context. There is more than one Sabbath in the scripture and if you look at Colossians 2:14 it tells you want its referring to.


Col2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;


The Ten Commandments is God-written (finger of God), the law of Moses is handwritten so right there you have your proof this is not talking about any of God's Ten Commandments.

having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us

This is most certainly not referring to any of the Ten Commandments.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and His commandments are not grievous. So there appears to be a contradiction to Col 2:14 and the Ten Commandments. Since there are no contradictions in scripture, it must be referring to another law. The law of Moses was placed outside the ark of the covenant, handwritten by Moses in a book as a witness against you, Deuteronomy 31:24 God's law is not grievous 1 John 5:3. The law of Moses was added because of sin Galatians 3:19, the law of God points out sin, Romans 7:7, Romans 3:20. The law of Moses contained curses Deuteronomy 29:20-21, Galatians 3:10 and made nothing perfect Hebrews 7:19. The law of God is perfect Psalms 19:7 and brings blessings and peace Proverbs 29:18, Psalms 119:165 the law of Moses in the book of ordinances ended with Jesus being our Perfect sacrifice. Ephesians 2:15, Col 2:14-16, Hebrews 8:13 not God's law which is ETERNAL and UNCHANGING Matthew 5:17-19, Revelation 11:19


Colossians 2:14-16 is not referring to the Ten Commandments it is referring to the law of ordinances, not the COMMANDMENTS of God. Is there a sabbath(s) in the law of ordinances? Yes, and fits Colossians 2:16 and is about food and drink and holy days called sabbath(s) in scripture which has nothing to do with the commandments of God that was before sin Genesis 2:1-3 and is a memorial to God's Creation "Remember" the Sabbath day to keep holy Exodus 20:8. The sabbath(s) feast days (animal and food offerings) is what ended, that is in the ordinances in the law of Moses, that was contrary to us and ended with Jesus as our Sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins and sanctification -See Hebrews 10 which is what Colossians 2:14-16 is referring to.

Another consideration why Colossians 2:14-16 is not referring the seventh day Sabbath

Colossians 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. The Sabbath is not a shadow of anything, it points back to Creation "Remember" the Sabbath day to keep Holy and does not point to Christ on the cross.


The Sabbath day continues to be God's chosen day of worship for eternity: Isaiah 66:23 just like God promised Exodus 31:16

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Please show us where Jesus Christ or any writers of the New Testament instructed the Church as to how to observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant.

I find it interesting that people demand God to prove Himself over and over again that the Sabbath is the holy day of our Lord thy God, by God’s owns Words, that He personally wrote and personally spoke Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13 and the day we will be worshipping Him on the New Earth for eternity Isaiah 66:23 just like God promised Exodus 31:16 but thats not enough. The Sabbath is mentioned over 150 times in scripture and over 50 times in the New Testament- showing Jesus and the disciples kept the Sabbath Luke 4:16-22 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 but thats not enough. Yet there is NOTHING in scripture that God said the first day is holy to Him or to us, the first day is sanctified or blessed, is a commandment of the Lord thy God NOTHING but thats enough for people worship on the first day when there is NO PROOF, NOTHING (God said the first day is a working day Exodus 20:9) yet people keep demanding more scripture on the Sabbath despite the fact should our God, our Creator has to keep repeating Himself over and over again for one to listen? His sheep hear His voice and He knows them (because they OBEY) 1 John 2:3-5 Matthew 7:21 and they follow Him, who kept the Sabbath and the commandments of God as our example to follow. God said the Sabbath is a sign between God and His people. Ezekiel 20:12, Ezekiel 20:20



The Law of God in the New Testament.
1. "You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve" (Matthew 4:10).
2. "Little children, keep yourselves from idols" (1 John 5:21). "Since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising" (Acts 17:29).
3. "That the name of God and His doctrine may not be blasphemed" (1 Timothy 6:1).
4. "He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: 'And God rested on the seventh day from all His works.' There remains therefore a rest ["keeping of a sabbath," margin] for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His" (Hebrews 4:4, 9, 10).
the rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment Luke 23:56
5. "Honor your father and your mother" (Matthew 19:19).
6. "You shall not murder" (Romans 13:9).
7. "You shall not commit adultery" (Matthew 19:18).
8. "You shall not steal" (Romans 13:9).
9. "You shall not bear false witness" (Romans 13:9).
10. "You shall not covet" (Romans 7:7).

The Law of God in the Old Testament.
1. "You shall have no other gods before Me" (Exodus 20:3).
2. "You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments" (Exodus 20:4–6).
3. "You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain" (Exodus 20:7).
4. "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it" (Exodus 20:8–11).
5. "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you" (Exodus 20:12).
6. "You shall not murder" (Exodus 20:13).
7. "You shall not commit adultery" (Exodus 20:14).
8. "You shall not steal" (Exodus 20:15).
9. "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor" (Exodus 20:16).
10. "You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's" (Exodus 20:17).

 

[Bob S]

After reading all the above posts I have to thank our Savior that we, meaning everyone, do not have to be concerned about keeping days. The keeping of days was part of the old covenant laws that ended when the new covenant started.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

After reading all the above posts I have to thank our Savior that we, meaning everyone, do not have to be concerned about keeping days. The keeping of days was part of the old covenant laws that ended when the new covenant started.

You’re free to believe that but it is the opposite of what God said about keeping holy the seventh day Sabbath. Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13-14, Isaiah 66:23 Ezekiel 20:12, Ezekiel 20:20 Eve was told it was okay to eat from the tree of knowledge the opposite of what God said too. God gives us free will and we will all find out soon enough if God really meant what He commanded. Take care.

 

[guevaraj]

The Church is not under the law of Moses. Please show us where Jesus Christ or any writers of the New Testament instructed the Church as to how to observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant.

Brother, it is through Paul that God calls us, in the new covenant, to keep the true Sabbath of God rescued from the human tradition of Judaism since Joshua. The "rest" spoken of in Hebrews 3 and 4 "has been ready since He made the world". God did not give them this "rest" for 40 years with Manna! They kept a seventh day Sabbath from morning to morning, which was right in Eden, but not near the Promised Land. When they reached the Promised Land, they switched to a Sabbath from evening to evening, which is not a day of the week as defined in Genesis from morning to morning and confirmed below, because the Sabbath remembered is in the time zone of creation.

long after the Sabbath (evening), as it dawns beyond Saturday (morning), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, to see the tomb. (Mathew 28:1, my own translation)​

Although God gave them His Sabbath in the Promised Land, under Joshua they did not understand the "rest" of God's Sabbath to keep the Sabbath outside the time zone of the Promised Land. To correct this misunderstanding since Joshua, "God set another time for entering His rest, and that time is today", in the new covenant with the call in Hebrews 3 and 4 to keep God's true Sabbath "rest". The "rest" that God wants us to enter "today", in the new covenant when believers find themselves living outside the time zone of the Promised Land, "has been ready since He made the world".

For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience. (Hebrews 4:8-11 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Bob S]

You’re free to believe that but it is the opposite of what God said about keeping holy the seventh day Sabbath. Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13-14, Isaiah 66:23 Ezekiel 20:12, Ezekiel 20:20 Eve was told it was okay to eat from the tree of knowledge the opposite of what God said too. God gives us free will and we will all find out soon enough if God really meant what He commanded. Take care.

You take care too. God meant what He commanded to the Israelites just as Jesus means what He commands for us today.

We have gone over Is 66 many times. Why are you not advocating the keeping of new moons? After all, in Heaven, according to Isiah, we will celebrate them for the 100 plus years we have to live. See Is65:17-35. The remaining verses you quote like EZ20:12 12 "Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the Lord made them holy." Them are not us SB. Them were the Israelites and no one else. Please use verses that make sense to the subject. Is 58:13-14 is again not referring to anyone but the Israelites. None of the verses you used referrers to Gentiles and nowhere in all of the Holy Writ does God require Gentiles to keep days, years, new moons or any of the ritual commands He gave to the Israelites with two exceptions, food offered to idols and circumcision.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You take care too. God meant what He commanded to the Israelites just as Jesus means what He commands for us today.

We have gone over Is 66 many times. Why are you not advocating the keeping of new moons? After all, in Heaven, according to Isiah, we will celebrate them for the 100 plus years we have to live. See Is65:17-35. The remaining verses you quote like EZ20:12 12 "Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the Lord made them holy." Them are not us SB. Them were the Israelites and no one else. Please use verses that make sense to the subject. Is 58:13-14 is again not referring to anyone but the Israelites. None of the verses you used referrers to Gentiles and nowhere in all of the Holy Writ does God require Gentiles to keep days, years, new moons or any of the ritual commands He gave to the Israelites with two exceptions, food offered to idols and circumcision.

Jesus clears up any confusion who the Sabbath is made for when He said the Sabbath was made for man. Mark 2:27. Sabbath was created before sin and before Jew Genesis 2:1-3 and will continue for those saved for all flesh, not just Jews for eternity Isaiah 66:23.

 

[BABerean2]

Jesus clears up any confusion who the Sabbath is made for when He said the Sabbath was made for man. Mark 2:27. Sabbath was created before sin and before Jew Genesis 2:1-3 and will continue for those saved for all flesh, not just Jews for eternity Isaiah 66:23.

Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


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[Leaf473]

That’s your free will, we are free believe whatever we want. If one doesn’t understand, its best to obey what you do understand instead of throwing the baby out with the bath water in my opinion.

The Sabbath commandment seems pretty easy to understand a rather specific. What about the Sabbath commandment do you think is not specific?

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.


I believe that we have a God of love and God is not going to give us a commandment that we will be judged on, James 2:10-12 Exodus 20 Revelation 11:19 that no one knows how to keep. The Sabbath has been kept since the very beginning Genesis 2:1-3 Jesus kept the Sabbath and all of His Fathers law as our example to follow. Luke 4:16-30 Although its just a remnant now according to scripture that still keep the commandments of God. Revelation 14:12 The answers on how to obey all of God’s law are found in the scriptures and His sheep hear His voice, we know Him if we keep His commandments 1 John 2:3-5 and follow Him wherever He leads. John 10:27-28

The Sabbath commandment from Exodus 20 is clear when read by itself. Where it gets complicated is when the Sabbath starts on a spherical, rotating Earth.

It doesn't sound right to me that God would have a really important commandment which has to be kept to the letter, but not have clear instructions on how to keep it. That doesn't sound like the God and Father of Jesus Christ to me.

I responded to the rest of your post on your thread here, since my answer basically builds on things we've been discussing on that thread already:
Did all the laws end at the cross- Part 2

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The Sabbath commandment from Exodus 20 is clear when read by itself. Where it gets complicated is when the Sabbath starts on a spherical, rotating Earth.

It doesn't sound right to me that God would have a really important commandment which has to be kept to the letter, but not have clear instructions on how to keep it. That doesn't sound like the God and Father of Jesus Christ to me.

I responded to the rest of your post on your thread here, since my answer basically builds on things we've been discussing on that thread already:
Did all the laws end at the cross- Part 2

It appears you are adding things that are not in the commandment, which of course would make things more complicated when they are not meant to be. We have discussed this at length, without any progress so I will end it with agree to disagree. God bless and take care.

 

[Bob S]

Jesus clears up any confusion who the Sabbath is made for when He said the Sabbath was made for man. Mark 2:27.

First of all, Jesus was speaking to Jews. Secondly, Jesus never criticized any Jew for not allowing Gentiles into the Temple to worship. If the Sabbath was made for the Gentiles it would seem like Jesus would have at some point mention such a high requirement. Gentiles had to be circumcised to be able to gain membership. Thirdly, if indeed the Sabbath was made for man, every other nation in the World was oblivious to that fact. To hang your hat on Jesus words to a bunch of Jews who were living under the old covenant laws is a very week position. Especially in light of verses like 2Cor3:6-11, Gal3:19, 1Jn:19-24, Col2:16-17 and Eph2: 10-15.

Sabbath was created before sin and before Jew Genesis 2:1-3 and will continue for those saved for all flesh, not just Jews for eternity Isaiah 66:23.

How do you expect me to believe that when there is nothing that would indicate such in Gen2.


Why have you not addressed Is66: 22 and 24 in your response to my post? Are you keeping New Moon celebrations like Jesus would have done? What about the other Sabbaths that Jesus would have kept? All that is so confusing to me especially when I read God's requirements the Israelites for all the other ceremonial laws.

Did you read in Is 65 concerning the New Earth where we will live to be well beyond 100 and if we don't it will be because we will be considered accursed? Are you happy about the fact that every Sabbath you will have to go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against God and see the worms that eat them that never die and watch the fire that burns them that will not be quenched? They will be loathsome to all mankind. Doesn't seem like that would be a very happy Sabbath, what do you think?

 

[Leaf473]

The phrase "given you" and "stay where they are" makes all the commandments of G-d relative to your frame of reference as to wherever you are:

Ex 16:29
Bear in mind that the Lord has given you the Sabbath; that is why on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. Everyone is to stay where they are on the seventh day; no one is to go out.

This includes, in G-d's wisdom, being on the opposite side of the planet. Shabbat has always been reliant on one's own personal frame of reference. As it is also written "They shall not enter into my rest" meaning G-d is already there, we are simply in a position outside of that rest. And what is this rest? The very rest that is written "and on the seventh day G-d rested." The Sabbath in this world is the spiritual reality of the next. We are to work these 6 days, these 6000 years, our lives, entirely to prepare for the eternal rest we are to enter where work can not be done. As Jesus said concerning the Sabbath that was rapidly approaching (for which he was accused of violating the rabbinic prohibitions to guard doing work in the hours before Sabbath):

John9:4
As long as it is day, we must do the works of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work.

Good discussion. But I do hope that with the commandments of G-d being clearly relative in application, that an international date line is not needed. And if there was a need, such as the declaration of the New Moon, for the calendar day, then yes it would be from the Sanhedrin in Jerusalem. But this only concerns the start of the new year.

G-d wrote the Torah and gave it to men who may not have known the earth was round, but the author of all scripture, He himself, knows the earth is round, since he made it. We can rely on his word to be just as efficient at guiding our lives today as it was then.

That seems like quite a stretch to me, to say that the commandment to stay where you are on the Sabbath means that all commandments are relative to your location.

Suppose we put the international date line in the middle of the Atlantic. The Sabbath can still start at sunset at the end of the 6th day. But if we move the IDL, what used to be the end of the 6th day is now the end of the 7th Day.

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, Hebrews 3 and 4 builds up my faith in His word. It shows me that God is real and separate from the errors of the humans who were close to Him. The errors of Judaism strengthen my faith in His word, delivered faithfully despite the misunderstanding by the humans He used to give us His message. The fact that Judaism is clueless about God's definition of a day in Genesis being from morning to morning and that they do not like where the site of the International Date Line (IDL) is found, because they think incorrectly that a Sabbath in Jerusalem is a day of the week this late in our history, shows that God has been with us since the beginning. It shows that God's word does not originate in humans, the fact that He is able to correct this late in our history through His word from the beginning.

It was by faith that Enoch was taken up to heaven without dying—“he disappeared, because God took him.” For before he was taken up, he was known as a person who pleased God. And it is impossible to please God without faith. Anyone who wants to come to him must believe that God exists and that he rewards those who sincerely seek him. (Hebrews 11:5-6 NLT)​

The book of Genesis is where my understanding of Hebrews 3 and 4 began. "Evening" and "morning" do not mean "night" and "day"! God defined "day" and "night" in the prior sentence and chose not to use those defined words when He used other words at the end of the first day, because He is saying something different than what Joshua assumed based on the Sabbath that God gave in the Promised Land that falls earlier and is not the seventh day of the week in the Promised Land.

Then God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. Then he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day” and the darkness “night.” And evening passed and morning came, marking the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NLT)​

God chose not to say "night" and "day" when He said "evening" and "morning", which He uses differently from "night" and "day" in the following passage. God is not saying below what people have assumed above with the word "evening", because He chose to say something else above using other words than "night" and "day". God does not use "evening" below, the way people use it above. He is not saying from the "night" of the ninth day of the month to the "night" of the tenth as He defined those words above to mean what He chose not to say using different words that He uses below differently from how people use them above. The way God uses "evening" below helps us understand what He means above. He means above that a "night" ends the first day from "evening to morning", because the days of the week begin with "morning to evening", which God called "day". The same word above as "evening" is translated below as "sundown".

This will be a Sabbath day of complete rest for you, and on that day you must deny yourselves. This day of rest will begin at sundown on the ninth day of the month and extend until sundown on the tenth day.” (Leviticus 23:32 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

My impression was that the IDL was basically irrelevant in your method of calculating the Sabbath. Yes? No?

 

[Leaf473]

It appears you are adding things that are not in the commandment, which of course would make things more complicated when they are not meant to be. We have discussed this at length, without any progress so I will end it with agree to disagree. God bless and take care.

Well, I do want to deal with the entire Bible.

I'm sure we agree that God made the Earth as a sphere. That's not adding to the Bible, is it?

 

[guevaraj]

My impression was that the IDL was basically irrelevant in your method of calculating the Sabbath. Yes? No?

Brother, yes! However, the agreement between history and the word of God on the International Date Line, despite the misunderstanding of humans about the word of God, led me to the title of my book.



United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[daq]

Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


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Right before that the author has just quoted the Jeremiah passage which clearly states that the new-renewed covenant is with the house of Yisrael and with the house of Yhudah, Hebrews 8:8. Then two verses later, in Hebrews 8:10, it says again, the house of Yisrael.

 

[BABerean2]

Right before that the author has just quoted the Jeremiah passage which clearly states that the new-renewed covenant is with the house of Yisrael and with the house of Yhudah, Hebrews 8:8. Then two verses later, in Hebrews 8:10, it says again, the house of Yisrael.

I have never found a translation which used the words "new-renewed".


And the New Covenant is applied specifically to the "church" in the passage below.

We are not come to Mount Sinai in verse 18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion in verses 22-24.

This text shows a clear contrast between the two covenants, proving they are not one and the same.


Heb 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
Heb 12:19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
Heb 12:20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
Heb 12:21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.


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