Gun Control Failure In Canada

[Oompa Loompa]

Gun Control Fail: Trudeau’s Pistol Ban Sees Stores Sell Out of Handguns

Gun stores in Canada have seen handguns fly off the shelves, with many selling out altogether after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced gun control legislation freezing all pistol purchases.

Can't say I didn't see this coming. I would predict guns flying off the shelves here in the United States should any gun ban bill is presented to Congress. Could Biden be a better gun salesman than Obama?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Might want to check gun sales close to the border in US outlets, bootlegging will probably increase.

 

[Occams Barber]

Gun Control Fail: Trudeau’s Pistol Ban Sees Stores Sell Out of Handguns



Can't say I didn't see this coming. I would predict guns flying off the shelves here in the United States should any gun ban bill is presented to Congress. Could Biden be a better gun salesman than Obama?

A rush on handguns by a few anxious Canadians was inevitable once the restrictions were announced.

This doesn't mean that gun control failed, in fact your article only refers to it as a 'misfire'. Gun control had to start somewhere. The real test is the longer term impact on gun numbers. If Australia is any indication then Canada has a good chance of avoiding the American gun plague.

I wish them luck.

OB

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Might want to check gun sales close to the border in US outlets, bootlegging will probably increase.

Of course.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

A rush on handguns by a few anxious Canadians was inevitable...

A "few anxious Canadians" are buying out stores of their entire gun inventory? This is a demonstration of the will of the people and their concerns for their safety.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

Gun Control Fail: Trudeau’s Pistol Ban Sees Stores Sell Out of Handguns



Can't say I didn't see this coming. I would predict guns flying off the shelves here in the United States should any gun ban bill is presented to Congress. Could Biden be a better gun salesman than Obama?

OK I haven't read the link, I would not call this thing a fail unless something happens with the initative itself where it is deemed unconstitutional.



But yes there is something called "the Principle of Scarcity", one of the "rules of influence" everybody should know about. Quite often politicians shoot themselves in the foot by proposing scary laws that undermine their cause. In the US, if their was less gun grabbing laws in states like California their would be more gun shops going out of business. And that is often true nationally with gun manufacturers, they can be in serious trouble during economic down turns unless crime spikes in the area etc. (Since most people who believe in the second amendment still don't see them as being integral to their everyday life compare to other goods like clothing, food, and office furniture and equipment).

 

[SilverBear]

Gun Control Fail: Trudeau’s Pistol Ban Sees Stores Sell Out of Handguns



Can't say I didn't see this coming. I would predict guns flying off the shelves here in the United States should any gun ban bill is presented to Congress. Could Biden be a better gun salesman than Obama?

so just how many handguns were sold and how different is that number from a year ago?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

so just how many handguns were sold and how different is that number from a year ago?

How many? All of them according to store owners. What part of "selling out altogether" do you not understand?

 

[Velaut]

How many? All of them according to store owners. What part of "selling out altogether" do you not understand?

All of how many? What part of "how many" do you not understand?

 

[Occams Barber]

A "few anxious Canadians" are buying out stores of their entire gun inventory? This is a demonstration of the will of the people and their concerns for their safety.

Entire Handgun inventory. As others have pointed out this information, if true, has no real meaning without knowing how many guns are involved. The figure '100' is mentioned as 'almost' all stock for one particular store. Breitbart is well known for putting its own spin on the truth.

From here on "it will no longer be possible to buy, sell, transfer or import handguns anywhere in Canada"

OB

 

[Nithavela]

If this really has been a failure will only be visible in hindsight in several years time, after statistically evaluating crimes with handgun use in canada compared to before the ban.

 

[bèlla]

While it may not be a failure per se. Correlation can’t be ignored. Restrictions often inspire the opposite action. Tell people they can’t have or do something (within reason) and the reverse occurs. They’re gung-ho for it.

Unrest and uncertainty compel people to shore up their resources. Security is part of it. That’s why mass shootings aren’t a deterrent. They’ll encourage many to purchase guns who didn’t in the past. As will restrictions.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

A "few anxious Canadians" are buying out stores of their entire gun inventory? This is a demonstration of the will of the people and their concerns for their safety.

..or it is a demonstration of the degree to which fear-mongering can distort people's good sense.

Also, consider the source: Breitbart. Is it any wonder they came to the conclusion they did?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

All of how many? What part of "how many" do you not understand?

I don't know. Look it up.

 

[JosephZ]

A "few anxious Canadians" are buying out stores of their entire gun inventory? This is a demonstration of the will of the people and their concerns for their safety.

There's a lot more involved than just going to a gun store and buying a handgun in Canada.

Canada's laws are meaningfully stricter than those in the US.

• All gun owners have to be licensed, and all handguns and most semiautomatic weapons have to be registered.
• Handguns can't be carried out of the home, either concealed or openly, except with a specific license, which is usually only given to people who need guns for work.
• Licenses require training in gun safety and an extensive background check.
• Guns have to be kept locked and unloaded.

Safety Course

Canadians seeking to own a handgun have been required to prove that they practiced at an approved shooting range, or otherwise show that they are a gun collector...

Those looking to purchase any type of gun are also required to complete an in-person safety course. Then, Canadians must take a written and practical test that includes topics on the evolution of firearms and their major parts, safety practices, firing technique and procedures, and how to store a firearm safely, among other things.

References

The Canadian government also requires people to provide at least two character references before purchasing a gun. In addition, Canadians must list the names of partners they have lived with in the last two years, who are each required to sign the gun application or be notified by the police before a firearm is bought.

Permit Application/ Background Check

Canadians must also apply for a firearms permit, and wait at least 28 days before processing begins. Then, individuals must pass a background check that takes into account any criminal record, mental health history, substance addiction and domestic violence incidents.

Step 1 – Safety course

The first step on the road to legal firearm ownership is the Canadian Firearms Safety Course (CFSC).

Step 2 – Safety exam

The Canadian Firearms Safety Course Exam covers the material taught in the safety course. It has two components: a written multiple choice section and a practical firearms-handling portion. There is no live-fire testing.

The written part of the exam has 50 multiple choice questions. Applicants must answer at least 80% correctly in order to successfully complete this portion of the exam.

Step 3 – The application

Processing a firearms licence application involves a variety of background checks. In some cases, in-depth investigations are conducted. The RCMP requires a minimum of 45 days to process a firearms licence application.

Step 4 – Waiting period

There is a minimum 28-day waiting period for all applicants who do not presently hold a valid firearms licence. Once this waiting period is complete, the licence should be issued without undue delay.

Buying a handgun

To purchase a new handgun, a Canadian has to present their licence at a gun store. The store still has to contact the firearms centre, who will speak to the buyer to verify their identity and that they want to purchase the gun in question. They will then issue a temporary transfer that allows the buyer to take possession of the gun—it usually takes a few days. It still takes a few weeks for a buyer to receive the registration certificate for the gun. To buy online, the buyer would have to first get set up with an online gun dealer, which requires scanning and sending in a copy of their PAL and gun club membership.

Transporting a handgun

Unlike the US, Canada places severe restrictions on transporting handguns. Owners are required to have an Authorization to Transport that allows them to move their restricted gun using the most direct route to and from one of five places, said Rod Giltaca, executive director of the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights. Those places are: the owner’s house, a border crossing (just up until the nearest border crossing, it doesn’t authorize someone to transport guns across the US border), a gunsmith, a peace officer to turn in a firearm for destruction or to have it verified, and an approved shooting range in the owner’s area. It’s a federal offence to take a restricted gun places other than those approved by the ATT.

Storage

Restricted gun owners must store their gun in one of two ways. Either unloaded with a trigger or cable lock in a locked box—ammo in the box is OK, or unloaded in a safe—ammo in the safe is OK. When transporting a restricted gun, it must be unloaded with a secure locking device on it, such as a trigger or cable lock, and it must be in a locked case that can’t accidentally open during transport.


Licensing Process – Firearms Law Canada.
Canada's Handgun Laws Are Stricter Than You Think

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Entire Handgun inventory. As others have pointed out this information, if true, has no real meaning without knowing how many guns are involved. The figure '100' is mentioned as 'almost' all stock for one particular store. Breitbart is well known for putting its own spin on the truth.

From here on "it will no longer be possible to buy, sell, transfer or import handguns anywhere in Canada"

OB

Here is an idea. Pretend you are a Canadian looking for a handgun. Tell me what you find.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

There's a lot more involved than just going to a gun store and buying a handgun in Canada.

Canada's laws are meaningfully stricter than those in the US.

• All gun owners have to be licensed, and all handguns and most semiautomatic weapons have to be registered.
• Handguns can't be carried out of the home, either concealed or openly, except with a specific license, which is usually only given to people who need guns for work.
• Licenses require training in gun safety and an extensive background check.
• Guns have to be kept locked and unloaded.

Safety Course

Canadians seeking to own a handgun have been required to prove that they practiced at an approved shooting range, or otherwise show that they are a gun collector...

Those looking to purchase any type of gun are also required to complete an in-person safety course. Then, Canadians must take a written and practical test that includes topics on the evolution of firearms and their major parts, safety practices, firing technique and procedures, and how to store a firearm safely, among other things.

References

The Canadian government also requires people to provide at least two character references before purchasing a gun. In addition, Canadians must list the names of partners they have lived with in the last two years, who are each required to sign the gun application or be notified by the police before a firearm is bought.

Permit Application/ Background Check

Canadians must also apply for a firearms permit, and wait at least 28 days before processing begins. Then, individuals must pass a background check that takes into account any criminal record, mental health history, substance addiction and domestic violence incidents.

Step 1 – Safety course

The first step on the road to legal firearm ownership is the Canadian Firearms Safety Course (CFSC).

Step 2 – Safety exam

The Canadian Firearms Safety Course Exam covers the material taught in the safety course. It has two components: a written multiple choice section and a practical firearms-handling portion. There is no live-fire testing.

The written part of the exam has 50 multiple choice questions. Applicants must answer at least 80% correctly in order to successfully complete this portion of the exam.

Step 3 – The application

Processing a firearms licence application involves a variety of background checks. In some cases, in-depth investigations are conducted. The RCMP requires a minimum of 45 days to process a firearms licence application.

Step 4 – Waiting period

There is a minimum 28-day waiting period for all applicants who do not presently hold a valid firearms licence. Once this waiting period is complete, the licence should be issued without undue delay.

Buying a handgun

To purchase a new handgun, a Canadian has to present their licence at a gun store. The store still has to contact the firearms centre, who will speak to the buyer to verify their identity and that they want to purchase the gun in question. They will then issue a temporary transfer that allows the buyer to take possession of the gun—it usually takes a few days. It still takes a few weeks for a buyer to receive the registration certificate for the gun. To buy online, the buyer would have to first get set up with an online gun dealer, which requires scanning and sending in a copy of their PAL and gun club membership.

Transporting a handgun

Unlike the US, Canada places severe restrictions on transporting handguns. Owners are required to have an Authorization to Transport that allows them to move their restricted gun using the most direct route to and from one of five places, said Rod Giltaca, executive director of the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights. Those places are: the owner’s house, a border crossing (just up until the nearest border crossing, it doesn’t authorize someone to transport guns across the US border), a gunsmith, a peace officer to turn in a firearm for destruction or to have it verified, and an approved shooting range in the owner’s area. It’s a federal offence to take a restricted gun places other than those approved by the ATT.

Storage

Restricted gun owners must store their gun in one of two ways. Either unloaded with a trigger or cable lock in a locked box—ammo in the box is OK, or unloaded in a safe—ammo in the safe is OK. When transporting a restricted gun, it must be unloaded with a secure locking device on it, such as a trigger or cable lock, and it must be in a locked case that can’t accidentally open during transport.


Licensing Process – Firearms Law Canada.
Canada's Handgun Laws Are Stricter Than You Think

Yet regardless, stores are selling out of handguns. You may find a few .22 remaining. Go ahead, look online and try to see what is available at the gun store website.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

..or it is a demonstration of the degree to which fear-mongering can distort people's good sense.

Also, consider the source: Breitbart. Is it any wonder they came to the conclusion they did?

Ah yes...Breitbart... Go online and see for yourself. Pretend you are a Canadian looking for a handgun better than a .22. I challenge you.

 

[JosephZ]

Yet regardless, stores are selling out of handguns. You may find a few .22 remaining. Go ahead, look online and try to see what is available at the gun store website.

So what? Posting an article showing a spike in handgun sales or stores selling out of handguns doesn't show that Canada's gun laws are a failure. Those buying up the handguns are either collectors, or those who have already gone through the requirements to get a gun license.

Canada's gun control laws do work.

Firearm-related violent crime represents a small proportion of police-reported violent crime in Canada, accounting for 2.8% of all victims of violent crime reported by police in 2020.

 

[civilwarbuff]

While it may not be a failure per se. Correlation can’t be ignored. Restrictions often inspire the opposite action. Tell people they can’t have or do something (within reason) and the reverse occurs. They’re gung-ho for it.

Good point.....remember prohibition and the rise of the mob that resulted in it. Crime in Canad may indeed go up.....After all, much of the illegal liquor that came into the US during prohibition made it's way here through Canada......