Gun Control Failure In Canada

[Oompa Loompa]

Good point.....remember prohibition and the rise of the mob that resulted in it. Crime in Canad may indeed go up.....After all, much of the illegal liquor that came into the US during prohibition made it's way here through Canada......

Canada better get ready for the massive gun smuggling operations. I predict that within a couple years, gun violence will go up from the rise in gun trafficking.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

So what? Posting an article showing a spike in handgun sales or stores selling out of handguns doesn't show that Canada's gun laws are a failure. Those buying up the handguns are either collectors, or those who have already gone through the requirements to get a gun license.

Canada's gun control laws do work.

Firearm-related violent crime represents a small proportion of police-reported violent crime in Canada, accounting for 2.8% of all victims of violent crime reported by police in 2020.

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So if the laws are working so well and gun violence is so low, why then implement a ban?

 

[SilverBear]

How many? All of them according to store owners. What part of "selling out altogether" do you not understand?

and how many is that? Four? Six? Ten?

 

[JosephZ]

Canada better get ready for the massive gun smuggling operations. I predict that within a couple years, gun violence will go up from the rise in gun trafficking.

There will no doubt be some who will be involved with trafficking guns, but Canada has very strict laws and stiff penalties that will make most people think twice before doing so.

Non-severe Penalties

Gun crimes carry different penalties depending on the nature of the crime. Non-severe penalties for firearm offences include:

• Careless storage or handling – the maximum penalty is between six months plus a $5,000 fine to two years, depending on whether or not it is a summary or indictable offence. The maximum penalty for subsequent offences is 5 years.
• Pointing a firearm – pointing a firearm at another person carries a maximum sentence of six months plus a $5,000 fine to five years in prison.
• Carrying a concealed weapon – a maximum sentence of six months plus a $5,000 fine to five years in prison.
• Severe Penalties

More severe penalties are associated with offences where the perpetrator knowingly disobeys the law. This includes:

• Weapons for dangerous purposes – possession of a weapon for dangerous purposes is a situation when one has a weapon, imitation of a weapon, or unauthorized weapon that they intend to do harm with. This carries a maximum sentence of six months plus a $5,000 fine to ten years in prison.
• Possession of a firearm knowing possession unauthorized – knowingly possessing a firearm that is unauthorized will be seen as intention to commit a crime or engage in other illegal activity. This crime comes with a minimum penalty of one year for the 2nd offence and a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison.
• Possession of restricted weapon with ammunition – the Supreme Court of Canada recently struck down the severe 3-5 year minimum penalty, but the sentencing still ranges between one year plus a $5,000 fine to 10 years in prison.

Penalties for Firearm Offences in Canada | Pardon Applications

So if the laws are working so well and gun violence is so low, why then implement a ban?

I guess their not satisfied with where the numbers currently stand. Even with less than 3% of homicides involving guns, most Canadians want still want stricter gun control laws. Polls I've seen range from 60 to 66% for tighter gun control laws in Canada.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

and how many is that? Four? Six? Ten?

I don't know. Look it up. Go to any Canadian gun store website and try to find a handgun greater than .22.

 

[Aldebaran]

So what? Posting an article showing a spike in handgun sales or stores selling out of handguns doesn't show that Canada's gun laws are a failure. Those buying up the handguns are either collectors, or those who have already gone through the requirements to get a gun license.

Canada's gun control laws do work.

Firearm-related violent crime represents a small proportion of police-reported violent crime in Canada, accounting for 2.8% of all victims of violent crime reported by police in 2020.

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If they work so well, then explain how Trudeau's announcement to ban all handguns has resulted in people buying them all. If Trudeau's intention was to become handgun salesman of the year, then he succeeded.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

I guess their not satisfied with where the numbers currently stand.

Exactly! Because progressives are never satisfied. Otherwise, they would no longer be "progressive". Which is why they cannot be trusted. We have seen what they do when they have their taste for power during the pandemic. Give them an inch and they will take a mile. Give them $1 and they will spend a $1.10.

 

[JosephZ]

Exactly! Because progressives are never satisfied. Otherwise, they would no longer be "progressive". Which is why they cannot be trusted.

It's also what the majority of Canadians want.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

It's also what the majority of Canadians want.

The majority of those remaining who have not yet fled to the United States.

Number of people who left Canada in the 4th annual quarter at almost 50-year high

The reason, according to the article, rampant unchecked liberals are destroying it.

 

[JosephZ]

The majority of those remaining who have not yet fled to the United States.

The reason, according to the article, rampant unchecked liberals are destroying it.

What makes you think all those leaving Canada are coming to the US? Many are probably moving to countries that are equally liberal if not more.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

What makes you think all those leaving Canada are coming to the US? Many are probably moving to countries that are equally liberal if not more.
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Irrelevant to the point and completely ignores the article. It doesn't matter where they are going but rather why they are going. Because Justin Trudeau is running the country to the ground and people are fed up with it. Can you at least acknowledge that a 40 year record number of Canadians are not leaving because Canada is so great and awesome to live in?

 

[rambot]

80% of weapons offences in Canada are committed with American smuggled weapons.

Our gun related homocide rates are a fraction of yours.



We don't need your cultural poison up here thanks.

 

[sfs]

How many? All of them according to store owners. What part of "selling out altogether" do you not understand?

The part that tells me whether this spate of purchases matters or not. Does it represent a doubling of the number of handguns owned by Canadians or an increase of 0.01%? One of those might be called a failure while the other would be completely meaningless.

I don't know. Look it up.

If you don't know, why did you start a thread that only makes sense if you do know?

 

[sfs]

Here is an idea. Pretend you are a Canadian looking for a handgun. Tell me what you find.

Okay, I'm pretending I'm a Canadian and ... now I don't want to buy a gun. In fact, now I'm frightened of the millions of heavily armed gun nuts on my southern border.

 

[JosephZ]

Can you at least acknowledge that a 40 year record number of Canadians are not leaving because Canada is so great and awesome to live in?

No, I can't acknowledge that. People move to other countries for a variety of reasons. Jobs, school, better climate, join family, significant other, etc. Some of those leaving will only be doing so temporarily. Also, for every person that leaves Canada, there are eight choosing to live there. Apparently Canada is a great and awesome place to live.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Guns aren't popular in Canada, so even if they sold out in the stores licensed to sell them, it wouldn't be as much as the amount already smuggled in.

for use in criminal offenses.

“Woe to him who builds a city with bloodshed, And founds a town with violence!" (Habakkuk 2:12)

 

[TLK Valentine]

Have the restrictions even been voted on yet?

 

[rambot]

The part that tells me whether this spate of purchases matters or not. Does it represent a doubling of the number of handguns owned by Canadians or an increase of 0.01%? One of those might be called a failure while the other would be completely meaningless.

If you don't know, why did you start a thread that only makes sense if you do know?

I would bet dollars to donuts that it is folks who ALREADY own guns who are feeling the fear and need to purchase MORE handguns.


Personally, I'm not a huge fan of this measure. I would rather HUGE scads of cash were used to investigate and prosecutor cross border gun movement. If we can limit that 80% with the number of weapons, that would be a good thing.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Personally, I'm not a huge fan of this measure. I would rather HUGE scads of cash were used to investigate and prosecutor cross border gun movement. If we can limit that 80% with the number of weapons, that would be a good thing.

I dunno, that is an awful big border with a lot of empty space up there. We spend lots of money on the southern border (about 1/2 the size of the northern border) and hundreds of thousands of illegals still get across every year.

 

[rambot]

I dunno, that is an awful big border with a lot of empty space up there. We spend lots of money on the southern border (about 1/2 the size of the northern border) and hundreds of thousands of illegals still get across every year.

I recognize it but it's also a border with known "corridors" and other areas where there is little to no activity. In that sense, we're kinda lucky. Anything is better IMHO