Gun Control Failure In Canada

[Oompa Loompa]

The part that tells me whether this spate of purchases matters or not. Does it represent a doubling of the number of handguns owned by Canadians or an increase of 0.01%? One of those might be called a failure while the other would be completely meaningless.

If you don't know, why did you start a thread that only makes sense if you do know?

The thread is about the article presented by me. I do not know the exact number of handguns sold. But I do know that you would be hard-pressed to find any handgun above a .22 Cal for less than $1500. If you do, by the time you try to place an order, it is gone. I have tried for the sake of research. People are panicking specifically because of the gun ban. We in the U.S. have seen the same response in 2020 because of the #BLM and the #defundthepolice movement. Also, in 2012, after the Sandy Hook shooting, Barack Obama proposes legislation that made it next to impossible to buy ammunition.

The bottom line is this, Canadians as a whole want their handguns because it is the best way to defend themselves...period. They are extremely upset that Justin Trudeau is stripping them of their ability to defend themselves by banning all sale/transfer of any handgun. So many people who would have never bought a handgun otherwise are buying them now because...Justin Trudeau...thats why.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Okay, I'm pretending I'm a Canadian and ... now I don't want to buy a gun. In fact, now I'm frightened of the millions of heavily armed gun nuts on my southern border.

Go online at ANY Canadian gun store and look at their handgun inventory. It isn't that difficult to see that they are almost entirely extinct. Why? Because Canadians want their handguns and Trudeau is taking that privilege away for no justifiable reason than merely because he can. And he can because Canada isn't nearly as free as the United States.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

No, I can't acknowledge that.

Then we are done because you cannot acknowledge reason. You are set on an ideology that you are unwilling to break away from. If you cannot even admit the vast majority of people go through the exhausting and expensive process of living out of their country because of better opportunities on their own, I am wasting my time and you are being stubborn and intellectually dishonest.

Now...it you wish to me honest, compare the Canadian immigration/emigration statistics with that of the U.S. and tell me which country people prefer to live.

 

[rambot]

The thread is about the article presented by me. I do not know the exact number of handguns sold. But I do know that you would be hard-pressed to find any handgun above a .22 Cal for less than $1500. If you do, by the time you try to place an order, it is gone. I have tried for the sake of research. People are panicking specifically because of the gun ban. We in the U.S. have seen the same response in 2020 because of the #BLM and the #defundthepolice movement. Also, in 2012, after the Sandy Hook shooting, Barack Obama proposes legislation that made it next to impossible to buy ammunition.

Just so I know, do you make stuff like this up?
All Firearms – Wild West Gun Shop
Rimfire Handguns | Cabela's Canada
PLENTY of weaponry available up north here. Of the 5 websites I went to, only one shop was sold out of hand guns.

"PEOPLE" aren't "panic buying". that makes it sound as if Canadians far and wide are reaching out to buy handguns. That is not true.

The few people who own guns in Canada are panic buying. And frankly, if there's one thing that has been made very clear in north america, gun owners need very little reason to start panic buying. It's almost like they're prone to panicking.

And that's not REALLY an attribute of gun ownership that sits easy with me.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Just so I know, do you make stuff like this up?
All Firearms – Wild West Gun Shop
Rimfire Handguns | Cabela's Canada
PLENTY of weaponry available up north here.

"PEOPLE" aren't "panic buying". that makes it sound as if Canadians far and wide are reaching out to buy handguns. That is not true.

The few people who own guns in Canada are panic buying. And frankly, if there's one thing that has been made very clear in north america, gun owners need very little reason to start panic buying. It's almost like they're prone to panicking.

And that's not REALLY an attribute of gun ownership that sits easily with me.

Do you know what " Join Waiting List" means? Do you know what "over .22Cal" means? Do you even know what "centerfire vs. Rim fire" means?

Sorry, but with the two links you provided, you are either completely ignorant on firearms, or you are being deliberately dishonest.

 

[JosephZ]

If you do, by the time you try to place an order, it is gone. I have tried for the sake of research.

Before you can run down to the gun store or purchase a handgun online in Canada, you have to have a firearms permit. When you apply for a permit, it takes at least 28 days before processing begins. In addition, it takes a minimum of 45 days to process a Possession and Acquisition License application.

The bottom line is this, Canadians as a whole want their handguns because it is the best way to defend themselves...period.

You can't buy a gun for self-defense in Canada.

They are extremely upset that Justin Trudeau is stripping them of their ability to defend themselves by banning all sale/transfer of any handgun. So many people who would have never bought a handgun otherwise are buying them now because...Justin Trudeau...thats why.

Handguns only make up a small percentage of firearms sales in Canada and most of those buying already have a license. New buyers would have to go through a long process before they would be able to buy a handgun.

Shemley, speaking on Daybreak South, said he estimates handgun sales make up roughly 10 to 15 per cent of the store's business, but the pending legislation has driven up demand and the store is currently "chaotic" with licensed fire arm operators racing to get what's left in stock.

Most people (7 in 10) in Canada support a ban on handguns.

 

[sfs]

The thread is about the article presented by me.

This thread is about 'Gun Control Failure', at least according to the title you provided for it, yet you don't know whether the sales in question represent a failure or not.

The bottom line is this, Canadians as a whole want their handguns because it is the best way to defend themselves...period.

The bottom line is that that's not true. I see that according to recent polling, 66% of Canadians want tougher gun laws -- which are already tougher than US laws.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

A rush on handguns by a few anxious Canadians was inevitable once the restrictions were announced.

This doesn't mean that gun control failed

The paranoid people have the new guns now right? (many of whom wouldn't have raced out to buy them if he hadn't announced his plan)

I would say that's a bit of a failure in terms of what he was going for.

Had he done nothing (which would've been the prudent choice given Canada doesn't have a bad gun problem), there would be less guns in private hands 5-10 years from now than there will be thanks to people racing out and panic buying.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

You can't buy a gun for self-defense in Canada.

You can, you just have to say it's for something else when you do the paperwork.

Much like you can't buy a Corvette ZR1 to drive 100mph on the freeway when you think no one is looking, but we all know that most people buying them are going to do exactly that.


To think that a person is going to buy a handgun, and it's not going to be the first thing they reach for in the middle of the night if they hear someone breaking in, is naive.

It's not like Canada has a gestapo force traveling around the country, randomly popping into people's homes, to make sure they're abiding by their storage laws.

I'd be willing to venture a guess that there are plenty of Canadians who have their guns in an "easy to get to" place should they ever need it.

 

[rambot]

Do you know what " Join Waiting List" means? Do you know what "over .22Cal" means? Do you even know what "centerfire vs. Rim fire" means?

Sorry, but with the two links you provided, you are either completely ignorant on firearms, or you are being deliberately dishonest.

Nope. Apologize. In regards to the "waitlist" link, I had misread that as something else.

I stand corrected on that.

 

[rambot]

The bottom line is this, Canadians as a whole want their handguns because it is the best way to defend themselves...period. .

"Canadians as a whole"......factually inaccurate. Canadian gun owners, as a whole.....just like their American counterparts.

 

[rambot]

You can, you just have to say it's for something else when you do the paperwork.

Much like you can't buy a Corvette ZR1 to drive 100mph on the freeway when you think no one is looking, but we all know that most people buying them are going to do exactly that.


To think that a person is going to buy a handgun, and it's not going to be the first thing they reach for in the middle of the night if they hear someone breaking in, is naive.

It's not like Canada has a gestapo force traveling around the country, randomly popping into people's homes, to make sure they're abiding by their storage laws.

I'd be willing to venture a guess that there are plenty of Canadians who have their guns in an "easy to get to" place should they ever need it.

That's a good question.
Every gun owner I know has their firearms appropriately stored except for one guy (who, admittedly lives in one of hte safest places in canada but had a rough upbringing and is prone to a bit of paranoia around his safety. That guy has one in his bedside table (the next most illegal guy has it stored in his closet with just a trigger lock on it).

As for the word "plenty".....I'm not convinced. But some? DEFINITELY.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

That's a good question.
Every gun owner I know has their firearms appropriately stored except for one guy (who, admittedly lives in one of hte safest places in canada but had a rough upbringing and is prone to a bit of paranoia around his safety. That guy has one in his bedside table (the next most illegal guy has it stored in his closet with just a trigger lock on it).

As for the word "plenty".....I'm not convinced. But some? DEFINITELY.

I would imagine Canada has the same "metropolitan vs. rural" dynamic that the US has in a lot of places.

I have a family cabin up there on a nice chunk of land that I inherited (was my grandpas, he left it to my dad, my dad left it to me) and have been going up almost every year (with the exception of the covid years where I couldn't go up) since I was a kid...so going on 30 years now with only a few years missed.

It's in a very rural area, a lot of conservative party members in those parts.

While there are some staunch differences between Canadian and US conservatives (for instance, when I went back up right after the border reopened to me, most of the people up there weren't vaccine skeptics, most loved their legal pot - as did I -, most just looked at the Trump vs. Biden election as a comedy routine and rolled their eyes and said "we feel bad for you guys that that's what you were left to choose from"... the one thing that seemed to bear some resemblance was the attitudes toward guns.

From what I gathered, Canadian conservatives were much more "gun reasonable", in that they seemed to mirror my own views that universal background checks are a good idea, 18 is too young, and that we need to expand the mental health requirements... but they still saw guns as a tool of self-defense.

I've done quite a bit of target shooting up there in the back yards of Canadian friends when I've been up there... Not naming any names of course...in fact, I'm not even sure if it's legal for a Canadian to let an American shoot their guns up there...but I've done it.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

The bottom line is that that's not true. I see that according to recent polling, 66% of Canadians want tougher gun laws -- which are already tougher than US laws.

"Tougher gun laws" can be a bit of a vague concept and the attitudes of citizens may not align with what their PM is proposing.

The "level of toughness" is on a spectrum.

I'll use myself as an example...I want tougher gun laws. Trudeau wants tougher gun laws... But I would take great umbrage at the kind of proposals Trudeau is tossing out there.

"Tougher guns laws" can mean anything from "I want to raise the legal age and strengthen background checks" to "I want to ban gun ownership for self-defense entirely"

 

[Oompa Loompa]

You can't buy a gun for self-defense in Canada.

Okay. I am calling your bluff. Why else would anyone buy a handgun. Also, please provide the law which states that Canadian cannot own a firearm for self defense. Regardless, if true, all the more reason for a Canadian to leave the country.

 

[JosephZ]

Why else would anyone buy a handgun.

Hunting, target practice and collecting.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Handguns only make up a small percentage of firearms sales in Canada

So what makes up the majority of firearms?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Most people (7 in 10) in Canada support a ban on handguns.

Yeah...because most reasonable Canadians have given up on their country and are leaving to go elsewhere. Much like California. They are extremely left wing to their detriment because everyone who can afford to do so are leaving in droves.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

This thread is about 'Gun Control Failure', at least according to the title you provided for it, yet you don't know whether the sales in question represent a failure or not.

The bottom line is that that's not true. I see that according to recent polling, 66% of Canadians want tougher gun laws -- which are already tougher than US laws.

Yet Canada is at a a +50 year high of people leaving the country...because it is such an awesome place to live.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

"Canadians as a whole"......factually inaccurate. Canadian gun owners, as a whole.....just like their American counterparts.

Then you tell me why Canadians are leaving the country at such an alarming rate? It it because they feel unworthy of it's glorious healthcare? Or perhaps it it because they are fed up with the garbage?