Yes, you can know the DAY and the HOUR of His Coming

[Deafsilence]

Aha! I was right!
Autumn.

(thank you for sharing your considered answer and the thought behind it)

18 more years is a long time to hang around though...
If I pop off early, hopefully I can join the army mustering on the other side
It's one thing to await the return of the Son of Man
And another to await
Returning with Him

LOL, yes, Autumn. You were right! I hope to see you there ready to go!

 

[Strong in Him]

But if you believe only the Father can know the day and hour and doesn't reveal it to anyone then Jesus can never come because that would give it away. I mean - think about it. It is such a nonsense thing to say Jesus will come again but He will never know it.

No, as a man, there were some things that Jesus did not know.
He sometimes asked people their names, for example - why do that if he already knew them?

Sorry, but I'm going with Jesus' words that no one knows - plus all his parables about being ready.
Why get ready, or be prepared if you know the exact day and hour? Just live how you want til 5 minutes before the hour, repent, and bingo.

 

[Strong in Him]

I believe God is showing it to me. He has given me the time of the year and the season. But the day and hour are still being developed. I believe I know but I need to dig deeper to ensure I know. This tells me that God wants me to have a greater conviction.

"No one knows the day or hour - except someone called Deafsilence will know it in 2000 years."
Unlikely.

 

[Strong in Him]

Just walk through it and think about it:

1.) Genesis 6:3 indicated a 120 years left for man. I believe this is referring to 120 Jubilees of Man's dominion.

Your belief, but not a Scriptural, rock solid certainty.

2.) The 50th Jubilee was at the Exodus. Many archeologist put that around 1446 BC. Simple count from there towards the end of the 120 Jubilee period and you may begin to see where it is heading to in the near future. BTW - I put the 50th Jubilee starting in 1440 BC.

So any calculations are based on your own theory, rather than the archaeologists' timings.
(Not that we're supposed to calculate anything.)

5.) Think about the chance that the 80th Jubilee would occur at the time of the the Son of God being Risen and the Church being established unto the Father in 31 AD - 8 being a time of the consecration of Sons (as circumcision is a type of - done on the 8th day).

Meaning?

7.) Consider that Jesus said He would come back to His Church. His Church is His people.

Jesus hasn't yet returned, but he is here, now, by his Spirit, living in his people.

Each Candlestick said to represent a wandering star (Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter, Mars, Saturn). All of those wandering stars coming into Virgo in Sept of 2040

You're using astrology and the zodiac to work out Jesus' return?

8.) Sept of 2040 is the Feast of Trumpets and when the end of the 120th Jubilee would occur exactly.

You realise that we are using a different calendar to the one used in Jesus' day, and that it has changed at least twice?
Originally there were only 10 months - SEPT in September means seven, OCT in October means 8, DEC in December means 10. Presumably they were given those names because that was their position in the year. Then July and August were added, after Julius Caesar and Augustus.
The calendar also changed in 1752 when 11 days were removed.

Chance? No! The Lord is coming and SOON!

Maybe.
But you're not the first to have set some date or month. Harold Camping tried it and was astonished that the Lord didn't return when he was "supposed" to.
I guess he was able to ask him about it a few months later, after he died.

 

[Timtofly]

So many read that verse and WRONGFULLY preach that it means we CANNOT know the day and the hour of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

Technically it is against forum rules to know the year and month. I suppose some could post the day of the week and the hour of the day. Not sure how knowing the day and hour is going to really help any one.

 

[Jipsah]

I've already shown that we can know.

Oh, that was where you claimed that: A) you posess knowledge that our Lord said that even He doesn't have, and B) that your mastery of the Greek language is greater then that of the Greek scholars who translated the New Testament.

I for one am impressed. Onliest claim like that I can make is that I pointed out the fact that voltage equals current times resistance to Georgie Ohm, and I never raised any objections when folks started calling it Ohm's Law. I'm just that kinda guy. I did take credit for the familar signs reading "DANGER! 50000 OHMS" though.

 

[Douggg]

Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

 

[Deafsilence]

Oh, that was where you claimed that: A) you posess knowledge that our Lord said that even He doesn't have, and B) that your mastery of the Greek language is greater then that of the Greek scholars who translated the New Testament.

I for one am impressed. Onliest claim like that I can make is that I pointed out the fact that voltage equals current times resistance to Georgie Ohm, and I never raised any objections when folks started calling it Ohm's Law. I'm just that kinda guy. I did take credit for the familar signs reading "DANGER! 50000 OHMS" though.

Tell me a scholar that knows why God established the 10th day as the day God directed Moses to have the Israelites remove their passover lamb from the rest of the fold. The meaning is significant.

 

[Deafsilence]

Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

The Goodman of the house knew which hour the thief would come. The Goodman of the house (verse prior) was ready because he knew which hour. In verse 44, the disciples are being told to Become Ready for they don't know the hour. Nothing in those verses are saying we can't know. In fact, the contrary is happening, it is showing that we can know just as the Goodman of the house knew in which watch the thief would come.

 

[Deafsilence]

Technically it is against forum rules to know the year and month. I suppose some could post the day of the week and the hour of the day. Not sure how knowing the day and hour is going to really help any one.

Trust me if I knew the exact hour and day, I would not let the rules hinder me. I will likely get banned shortly but that is the nature of how the Devil has deceived everyone to thinking they can't know the day and the hour. Here I come with meat in due season and who is around to consume it.

 

[Jipsah]

Heard it all before, mate. People who know precisely when our Lord will return (hereinafter, "The Enlightened") are two a penny. They all proclaim that they've got it all figured out where everyone else has missed it, usually based on their vastly superior knowledge of Greek (often via Strong's), their unequaled analytical skillz, and the truly invaluable aid of the Holy Spirit. They're always opposed by "scoffers", the spiritually blind, "foolish virgins", etc. If they're successful at all, they acquire a stalwart group of supporters who have the necessary vision and who are spiritual enough to See The Truth and accept what The Enlightened is peddling at face value.

The tricky part for The Enlightened is making sure that their revelation of the date for The Rapture is scheduled close enough to keep the Stalwarts' enthusiasm up, but not so soon that the the date comes and goes without incident. Then damage control becomes necessary to prevent losing all the casual supporters and most of the Stalwarts. Just as nothing succeeds like success, nothing fails quite as emphatically as failure, especially in the End Times prognostication business. When a date fails, as they all ultimately do, immediate action is required to keep everthing from coming apart like a two dollar watch.

The standard damage control technique is to explain that the Enlightened simply missed some of his calculations, and that he failed to account for the differences in calendars, some critical verb tenses in the Greek/Hebrew/Syriac/Latin, didn't take into consideration the procession of the equinoxes, the Doppler Effect, and/or the 14th Amendment. They then gen up a new date and time, this one an absolute lock. But they only get one shot at that; if The Rapture doesn't happen on the new date (spoiler alert - it won't), even most of the remaining Stalwarts will head for the exits. The practice at that point is to "spiritualize" the whole thing, declare that the Lord actually did do something or the other on the date predicted, but that only the unco spiritual were able to discern it. This will work to some extent, and in the past has resulted in the creation by the few remaining Stalwarts of new denominations, notably the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Seventh Day Adventists. From a practical standpoint, though, after the second miss the Enlightened is all done as a spiritual whatever and it's time to go back to the day job.

 

[Strong in Him]

Trust me if I knew the exact hour and day, I would not let the rules hinder me. I will likely get banned shortly but that is the nature of how the Devil has deceived everyone to thinking they can't know the day and the hour.

The devil is not deceiving anyone.
Our Lord has clearly said that no one knows - you know more that he does, I assume?

Here I come with meat in due season and who is around to consume it.

Careful it doesn't make you sick.

 

[Deafsilence]

Luk 19:39 And certain of the Pharisees from the multitude said unto him, 'Teacher, rebuke thy disciples;'
Luk 19:40 and he answering said to them, 'I say to you, that, if these shall be silent, the stones will cry out!'

 

[Deafsilence]

The devil is not deceiving anyone.
Our Lord has clearly said that no one knows - you know more that he does, I assume?



Careful it doesn't make you sick.

No your Lord said only the Father knows and then your Lord says in Acts, that the Father gives us of that knowledge to know the times and seasons put in His Power by means of His Holy Spirit.

 

[Strong in Him]

No your Lord said only the Father knows and then your Lord says in Acts, that the Father gives us of that knowledge to know the times and seasons put in His Power by means of His Holy Spirit.

"Your" Lord? So he's not yours then?

"Only the Father knows" means "only the Father knows".
You are not the Father.

 

[Strong in Him]

Luk 19:39 And certain of the Pharisees from the multitude said unto him, 'Teacher, rebuke thy disciples;'
Luk 19:40 and he answering said to them, 'I say to you, that, if these shall be silent, the stones will cry out!'

Who's that addressed to?

 

[Timtofly]

Trust me if I knew the exact hour and day, I would not let the rules hinder me. I will likely get banned shortly but that is the nature of how the Devil has deceived everyone to thinking they can't know the day and the hour. Here I come with meat in due season and who is around to consume it.

The Second Coming can happen any moment, once God decides. The only event prior to the Second Coming was Israel becoming a nation. There will be no sign other than the actual Second Coming.

Now if 2 billion people up and die first, then that could be a sign. No one will know until either happens and it could all happen at the same time.

 

[Deafsilence]

"Your" Lord? So he's not yours then?

"Only the Father knows" means "only the Father knows".
You are not the Father.

Did Jesus say that He had the Father?

 

[Deafsilence]

The Second Coming can happen any moment, once God decides. The only event prior to the Second Coming was Israel becoming a nation. There will be no sign other than the actual Second Coming.

Now if 2 billion people up and die first, then that could be a sign. No one will know until either happens and it could all happen at the same time.

No, it won't happen any moment. It will happen in 2040. Jesus is not going to cheat man out of the word that was given that man would have 120 years. That 120 Jubilee cycle is ongoing.

The State of Israel today has nothing to do with the prophecies occurring in this dispensation that relate to Israel.

 

[Douggg]

The Goodman of the house knew which hour the thief would come. The Goodman of the house (verse prior) was ready because he knew which hour

I think you should read that parable again. It does not say the goodman knew which hour the thief would come. Just the opposite, he had no way of knowing.

In the text is the big word "IF" the goodman had known in what watch (time of the day) the thief would come, the goodman could have been watching for the thief show up at that particular watch to thwart him.

The message is no one knows the day nor hour that Jesus will come for the resurrection/rapture event. So be ready. The resurrection/rapture event could happen anytime.


42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

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My personal advice is not to try and figure out what year, or time of the year; what month, or time of the month; or holy day, etc....for the resurrection/rapture event.

We have enough information to know that it is going to happen in parable of the fig tee generation - to be encouraged by that parable.