So how is that BLM thing going?

[RDKirk]

This super liberal gen-z is more in favor of restricting freedom of speech than any generation before it...

First Amendment vitals: Taking Gen Z’s pulse on free expression and inclusion

But never mind that....racial segregation...

Racial Segregation On American Campuses: A Widespread Phenomenon

So while they claim to support diversity and inclusion...they actually support racial exclusion and segregation.

That's because they think these two concepts are the same thing.

Your poll would be more useful if it started off by seeing if respondents can actually identify liberal values. Anyone can call themselves a liberal, but it doesn't mean much if you aren't promoting liberal values.

It says:

College administrators facilitate this by constantly harping on race. They hire "diversity" coordinators in large numbers to check on the racial complexion of students, faculty, other staff and even contractors.

What you're not looking at is how these young people actually interact with one another when they are not being "facilitated" by their elders.

 

[Bradskii]

But never mind that....racial segregation...

Anyone reading what @RDKirk wrote knew full well what he meant by the term segregation as used in his post. Including yourself. That you can try to link that term as it was used to Gen Z by linking to an article that is describing the result of a generally accepted diversity in colleges (which isn't restricted to ethnic background but also covers gender, sexuality identity and culture) and which has nothing whatsoever to do with the term as used in that post, is more a reflection of your attitudes than anything to do with the racial attitudes of Gen Z.

Other than pointing that out, your post is not worth responding to.

 

[SilverBear]

No, it's because of her incompetence. Anyone who gets "triggered" by the required IRS forms for a non-profit should not be leading that non-profit.

triggered?

 

[SilverBear]

This is where things get confusing. MLK suggested a person's character was more important than skin color. Hence who you are matters more. Good point. Then BLM and other recent trends turn things back into a matter of skin, reversing MLK's view. But as soon as someone comes into question now it is said the person has come into question over skin color, rather than character. So bring back the color issue in order to once again claim racism over character? Isn't that a step backwards when a person's bad character regardless of skin color gets a pass or condemnation due to skin be it black or white?

and what exactly is her bad character here?
that she is a professor?
that she is a best selling author?
That she owns businesses?

Do you really think a white man would be attacked like this for buying a house?

 

[MrMoe]

No. Asking what racism is, is an extremely dumb question. Because we all know what racism is.

This is demonstrably false.

Here is the report Patrisse Cullors called racist:
Black Lives Matter Secretly Bought a $6 Million House

Please point out the racist part of the report. It should be easy, since we all know what racism is, apparently.

The questions (plural) that we need to answer - and a lot of people have been thinking about them over the last couple of years, are those that ask in what circumstances can something be described as racist.

Give an example of a circumstance.

So the point that you just raised is then a valid one. In what circumstances were the comments made?

You're putting the cart before the horse. Defining what racism is would answer or eliminate a lot of the questions you just posted.

What intent was there in making them?

Obviously a racist intent makes something racist. That is why I'm asking you to define racism.

Is intent a necessary requisite for a racist statement?

Of course it is. This shouldn't even be a question. When intent is ignored we get ridiculous situations like this:
USC professor under fire after using Chinese expression students allege sounds like English slur - CNN

The professors intent was to teach the students a word in Chinese.

Is the ethnic background of the woman partly responsible for the comment?

This goes back to intent. You're basically asking the same question again, just phrased differently.

Do personal preferences need to be considered?

This question is too vague. What personal preferences are you talking about?

If the person who makes any comment an obvious racist does that cloud the issue?

No. Either a comment is racist or it's not.

Can we separate obvious divisions in society on racial grounds?

This is a separate issue.

If the person making the comment is the same ethnic backround as the person to whom the comments are addressed, can it still be called racist?

Maybe we can find the answer in the definition of racism.

Does any good that a racist does balance any racist comments?

Balance? What do you mean by that? Make racist comments less racist?

Those are just some questions we could address on one single example of one comment. There are probably a lot more. And most are probably germane to other examples.

Seems like you're just splitting hairs by asking a whole bunch of questions, most of which are irrelevant, in an attempt to stretch the meaning of the word racism as thin as possible.

And the problem is that we might agree on some and not agree on others. So there's a lot of grey areas. This is not generally a black and white matter (with very obvious exceptions).

But I think that before we even start examining any example of potential racism, then we'd be expected to know what racism actually was in order for us to be able to discuss, debate and determine whether it is or is not.

I thought we all knew what racism was, according to you.

 

[MrMoe]

the only reason it is being alleged is the color of her skin

How do you know that?

 

[Sparagmos]

it's certainly "confusing", but I think that was by design for the reasons mentioned in prior posts.

By design by whom? "Black Lives Matter" developed as a meme. We were chanting it in the streets before it was the name of an organization, and people have chanted it that have no affiliation to said organization. It’s the rallying cry of a movement and anyone involved has experienced it as such. The fact that a few women decided to try and claim that motto as the name for their organization doesn’t change that. Did you read the letter the 10 chapters sent back in 2020?

 

[Bradskii]

Bradskii:
"But I think that before we even start examining any example of potential racism, then we'd be expected to know what racism actually was in order for us to be able to discuss, debate and determine whether it is or is not."

I thought we all knew what racism was, according to you.

Anyone wishing to discuss it, yes. Again, if you want to discuss it then it's expected that you actually know what it means. Therefore, discussing it at length and then asking for a definition is nonsensical.

As regards the report, you obviously have an opinion on whether it's racist or not. So you do know - and appear to find it not racist. Someone who does find it racist is simply rejecting your interpretation. Not agreeing on the matter doesn't mean you have different definitions or one person doesn't know what it means - it simply means that you disagree on the context in which the remark was made.

I really hope that's clear because I don't want to have to repeat it. And you highlighted 12 or 13 comments I made. I hope you don't expect me to answer them all individually. I don't respond to multiple points raised in a single post. If the points are related then ask the one question. If they are not, then post them individually. Or not. It's up to you.

 

[SilverBear]

You say that as if I didn't do exactly those things when all this started.

yep

No...I got it from reality.

let's see...you said:
"Step 1, find viral incident of dead black person[/quote] Well the reality here is someone who is murdered

"....preferably by police"

Trayvon Martin was murdered by a police officer?

.never by another black citizen.

is it reality to use a racist stereotype to play up the fears of some people?

"Claim racism is the cause of Step 1."

Implying that somehow racism never has anything to do with it and is something black people don't experience. White people on the other hand are often the victims of racism.

3. Claim to be fighting racism. Does not require any actual racism, or even a working definition of racism.

because racism isn't real, its just something black people make up to excuse their many short comings. Like the black person not getting hired, that couldn't possibly be because of racism. Even though research has shown that if an applicant is perceived to be black they are many times less likely to even get a job interview .. which of course isn't racism.

4. Play off the guilt and shame of regular people

Regular people? you mean white people.

by blaming them or absolving them of blame based on the color of their skin.

you mean like what you are doing here?

Don't worry about if this is racist

you don't seem to worried

[/quote] Success means that you are able to collect money from people who want to "help" and use that money to buy yourself mansion[/quote] any evidence to support this claim? But then you don't need any evidence. because obviously a black person can't earn their own money

I can quote the families of people like Tamir Rice calling her out as a scam artist.

Tamir Rice? You mean the 12 year old child that was killed by who ....exactly? it couldn't have been a white police officer because the never happens. It must have been another black person because that is what black people do. Either way I'm sure racism had nothing to do with it.

That's the 1.4 million dollar mansion

....don't forget to include the other two mansions she bought. I'm not counting the one in California or the one in Canada either.
I don't think this counts as a mansion in anyone's book. But who cares as long as you can make some fake accusations about embezzlement.

 

[SilverBear]

Seems like they're trying to have it both ways... they want to claim "the chapters operate autonomously" and "it's not directed by one person or group" (when trying to distance themselves from something bad members of a particular chapter may do)

and you are trying to conflate the two

 

[SilverBear]

And here's the problem with that...

When someone sees a local chapter of BLM protesting whatever they think is a worthy cause....who do they donate to?

If they go online and donate to Black Lives Matter....they aren't donating to the local chapter or its cause.

evidence?

She's raking in the profit off the work of people foolish enough to propagate her message.

Evidence? oh wait....you don't need evidence because she's black

 

[SilverBear]

What's the number of black people murdered in cold blood by cops?

to many

 

[SilverBear]

This is demonstrably false.

Here is the report Patrisse Cullors called racist:
Black Lives Matter Secretly Bought a $6 Million House

Please point out the racist part of the report. It should be easy, since we all know what racism is, apparently.

citation that she called it racist?

 

[Ana the Ist]

to many

What's the number though?

 

[Ana the Ist]

yep

Yup.

let's see...you said:
"Step 1, find viral incident of dead black person Well the reality here is someone who is murdered

Well actually most of those incidents weren't murder.

Trayvon Martin was murdered by a police officer?

Did BLM show up to protest for him?

is it reality to use a racist stereotype to play up the fears of some people?

What stereotype? That's a fact. BLM never protested a black man killed by another black man.

Implying that somehow racism never has anything to do with it

Imagine addressing what I actually wrote.

because racism isn't real, its just something black people make up to excuse their many short comings. Like the black person not getting hired, that couldn't possibly be because of racism. Even though research has shown that if an applicant is perceived to be black they are many times less likely to even get a job interview .. which of course isn't racism.

Unless that job position is Supreme Court Justice...in which case, only a black woman can get the job.

Regular people? you mean white people.

People who work for a living.

you mean like what you are doing here?

No, I'm judging by actions.

you don't seem to worried

Why would I be?

Success means that you are able to collect money from people who want to "help" and use that money to buy yourself mansion....any evidence to support this claim? But then you don't need any evidence. because obviously a black person can't earn their own money

Her net worth is 2 million....she bought 3 million in houses. You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to figure this out.

Tamir Rice?

Yeah...and the families of other dead black people BLM profited off of.

Parents of Murdered Children Deserve Answers from BLM Leaders | Opinion - Voices of Black Mothers United

Are they all racists too???

Can you actually name any black people they helped?

 

[Danthemailman]

BLM silent when confronted with data showing massive 2020 spike in Black murder victims

 

[Ria23]

But culture is a choice, and some do choose otherwise.

good for them, then. I don't mean that ironically. I mean, among other things, I learned that you never ever ever fink or tattletale, no matter what the other person has done. I grew up in, not a boarding school dominated by gangs, per se, but with many former gang members or ones which had formed their own gang at the school. the former gang members included my best friend, who had belonged to a white Irish gang, versus a black one. some of this programming has still stayed with me, even though I never belonged to a gang.

 

[BigDaddy4]

triggered?

Her words, not mine.

 

[SilverBear]

What's the number though?

any thing greater than zero is to many...or are you suggesting that there is a reasonable number for how many black people can be murdered?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Anyone reading what @RDKirk wrote knew full well what he meant by the term segregation as used in his post. Including yourself.

Undoubtedly. He's talking about racial exclusion.

That you can try to link that term as it was used to Gen Z by linking to an article that is describing the result of a generally accepted diversity in colleges (which isn't restricted to ethnic background but also covers gender, sexuality identity and culture) and which has nothing whatsoever to do with the term as used in that post, is more a reflection of your attitudes than anything to do with the racial attitudes of Gen Z.

No...if you think you can tell me the difference between a "black only safe space" and a racially segregated space...go right ahead.

Till then you're blowing hot air.