So how is that BLM thing going?

[Oompa Loompa]

Why would kids be the problem?

The question wasn't asked to you.

 

[Danthemailman]

Massive increase in Black Americans murdered was result of defund police movement: experts

Defunding the police, which was strongly supported by BLM was not a good move for black lives. As a nation we cannot tolerate police brutality of black lives, yet lawlessness is not the answer.

 

[SilverBear]

So what's the answer to the question?

We live in a world where a report scrutinizing a woman's alleged spending of donations, is called racist. So it is a very good question to ask.

the only reason it is being alleged is the color of her skin

 

[BigDaddy4]

the only reason it is being alleged is the color of her skin

No, it's because of her incompetence. Anyone who gets "triggered" by the required IRS forms for a non-profit should not be leading that non-profit.

 

[timothyu]

the only reason it is being alleged is the color of her skin

This is where things get confusing. MLK suggested a person's character was more important than skin color. Hence who you are matters more. Good point. Then BLM and other recent trends turn things back into a matter of skin, reversing MLK's view. But as soon as someone comes into question now it is said the person has come into question over skin color, rather than character. So bring back the color issue in order to once again claim racism over character? Isn't that a step backwards when a person's bad character regardless of skin color gets a pass or condemnation due to skin be it black or white?

 

[Ria23]

BLM the movement? It served (and is serving to some extent) its purpose. Got people asking questions. Thinking about what we should value. Who we should value. How we should address racism. Who is responsible. Who suffers. What form it takes. Made us think. Opened up conversations. Focussed our attention.

All those things are positives.

BLM may have seemed to you like a movement posing questions but to me, BLM (the organization and its affiliates) offered answers. answers like, "reduce police department budgets" and "include Critical Race Theory in education" (to a greater degree than already present). and never ever ever implicate any cause other than racism for the problems facing black Americans (and Canadians and Europeans) as a group.

 

[Bradskii]

BLM may have seemed to you like a movement posing questions but to me, BLM (the organization and its affiliates) offered answers. answers like, "reduce police department budgets" and "include Critical Race Theory in education" (to a greater degree than already present). and never ever ever implicate any cause other than racism for the problems facing black Americans (and Canadians and Europeans) as a group.

It's a shame that that's all you got out of it.

 

[Ana the Ist]

He did that

There's no argument about what he did...

You're making a claim about what he thinks.

You're either a mind reader (you aren't)...or he said something racist that one might reasonably infer he is a racist for saying....or, and this is the most likely one...

You're just making it up.

Now, I can understand why people might not push back against you when you say such things...

They don't want to appear to be defending Chauvin (I certainly don't).

They might not see any harm in letting you believe you can read minds (I would disagree).

Or perhaps they too believe that they can magically determine if someone's motives are racially driven.

Either way, you're not able to read minds. You're most likely making things up. No significant group of people is walking around claiming black lives don't matter...

Except for maybe (ironically) the group named Black Lives Matter....who are only interested in black death, not lives, and only those deaths they can profit from.

 

[Ria23]

@Bradskii: when you and I say "BLM" we might literally mean different things. (and I do mean "literally" here. I haven't used the word wrong.) BLM (call it BLM 1) could mean the BLM organization or its affiliations or it could mean the affiliate organizations (call them BLM 2) or it could mean the members of the BLM movement (BLM 3). it feels fair to me that BLM 1 and 2 had a consistent messages and goals. perhaps members of BLM 3 raised questions, but BLM 1, at least, had answers.

 

[Ana the Ist]

well it does but you would have to actually read and listen to people and challenge your own prejudices...

You say that as if I didn't do exactly those things when all this started.

"saying Black lives matter doesn't mean every life isn't important – it means that Black lives are far to often seen as being of no or of lesser value in our society." Opal Tometi

Great answer....does she have any evidence that people actually think those things ?

I get that a black man who is rejected for a job may believe it was because of racism.

I'm sure you understand that's not necessarily the case.

How can we tell when it is the case?

did you get this from a white nationalist group?


Obviously, the accusations will keep coming.

yeah hate groups are good at making fake accusations

No...I got it from reality. I can quote the families of people like Tamir Rice calling her out as a scam artist.

You think the Rice family are white supremacists? Lol. What is a white supremacist to you?

yeah right


Well here is Patrisse Cullors mansion. hope you enjoy the tour

like what you are doing to BLM right here

That's the 1.4 million dollar mansion....don't forget to include the other two mansions she bought. I'm not counting the one in California or the one in Canada either.

She's definitely helping the black community....if by "black community" you mean Cullors and friends.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Not quite the same thing epically when you actually listen to the founders. in an interview with teh New Yorker Alisia Garza described the network as an online platform that existed to provide activists with a shared set of principles and goals. Local Black Lives Matter chapters are asked to commit to the organization's list of guiding principles but operate without a central structure or hierarchy. the thousands of chapters operate autonomously and do not take direction from any larger organization. Cobb, Jelani (March 14, 2016). "The Matter of Black Lives". The New Yorker.
Cullors said "What sets Black Lives Matter apart from other social justice groups, however, is its decentralized approach and reliance almost solely on local, rather than national, leadership. (BLM) is not directed by one person or group of people. Miller, R.W. (July 11 2016 ) "Black Lives Matter: A primer on what it is and what it stands for" USA TODAY

Seems like they're trying to have it both ways... they want to claim "the chapters operate autonomously" and "it's not directed by one person or group" (when trying to distance themselves from something bad members of a particular chapter may do)

...but still want to have the level of control to be able to set what the mission is and ask everyone to commit to a certain set of principles.

Reminiscent of what I call "The Hells Angels defense". Where when one chapter gets caught doing something bad, every other chapter can claim plausible deniability by highlighting that their chapters operate autonomously. But clearly they have "shot callers"

Similar to Antifa (on the left) or the Tea Party (on the right)...they both portray it as some sort of decentralized grassroots movement, but clearly there are leaders and followers.

For instance, the very nature of a chapter structure indicates some sort of national leadership. ...because who would be approving who does and doesn't get to have a chapter?

Chapters - Black Lives Matter

Clearly someone was making the ultimate decision of whether or not to list a chapter on their official website.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Not quite the same thing epically when you actually listen to the founders. in an interview with teh New Yorker Alisia Garza described the network as an online platform that existed to provide activists with a shared set of principles and goals. Local Black Lives Matter chapters are asked to commit to the organization's list of guiding principles but operate without a central structure or hierarchy. the thousands of chapters operate autonomously and do not take direction from any larger organization. Cobb, Jelani (March 14, 2016). "The Matter of Black Lives". The New Yorker.
Cullors said "What sets Black Lives Matter apart from other social justice groups, however, is its decentralized approach and reliance almost solely on local, rather than national, leadership. (BLM) is not directed by one person or group of people. Miller, R.W. (July 11 2016 ) "Black Lives Matter: A primer on what it is and what it stands for" USA TODAY

And here's the problem with that...

When someone sees a local chapter of BLM protesting whatever they think is a worthy cause....who do they donate to?

If they go online and donate to Black Lives Matter....they aren't donating to the local chapter or its cause.

She's raking in the profit off the work of people foolish enough to propagate her message.

 

[Bradskii]

@Bradskii: when you and I say "BLM" we might literally mean different things. (and I do mean "literally" here. I haven't used the word wrong.) BLM (call it BLM 1) could mean the BLM organization or its affiliations or it could mean the affiliate organizations (call them BLM 2) or it could mean the members of the BLM movement (BLM 3). it feels fair to me that BLM 1 and 2 had a consistent messages and goals. perhaps members of BLM 3 raised questions, but BLM 1, at least, had answers.

BLM (please forget the numbering system) was a reaction to what people saw as racism. Nothing more. Nothing less. Someone held up a placard with a few words on it and somebody else said 'Hey, that could be the rallying call'.

Now in some cases it was not a call but an excuse. To create some mayhem. To riot. To inflict violence on others. To steal. But if that's all that people see then they are ignoring (often intentionally) what the protest was about. I can't help them with that. So they complain about some of the negative aspects because it seems to be that they enjoy doing so. And hey, it's a lot easier. It doesn't take much thought. Just bundle up some right wing complaints, and post with the requisite amount of righteous indignation.

The rest of us talk about the problems I mentioned earlier. Easily summed up by the question: 'What on earth has gone wrong?'

Those of us of a certain age can remember the original civil rights movement. And a lot of us thought that we'd helped to put the world right. That we'd helped to solve a problem. But it seems we hadn't. We'd just papered over the cracks. The underlying problems remain. And quite a few people on this forum apart from not even considering what the solutions might be, won't even concede that there IS a problem in the first instance. And they become part of that problem.

 

[Ana the Ist]

the only reason it is being alleged is the color of her skin

That and the fact that some people believe that people with certain skin colors are above all criticism and scrutiny.

 

[Ana the Ist]

BLM (please forget the numbering system) was a reaction to what people saw as racism. Nothing more. Nothing less. Someone held up a placard with a few words on it and somebody else said 'Hey, that could be the rallying call'.

Now in some cases it was not a call but an excuse. To create some mayhem. To riot. To inflict violence on others. To steal. But if that's all that people see then they are ignoring (often intentionally) what the protest was about. I can't help them with that. So they complain about some of the negative aspects because it seems to be that they enjoy doing so. And hey, it's a lot easier. It doesn't take much thought. Just bundle up some right wing complaints, and post with the requisite amount of righteous indignation.

I'm sure that happens....but you'd actually have to give their criticism some consideration first.

The rest of us talk about the problems I mentioned earlier. Easily summed up by the question: 'What on earth has gone wrong?'

Sorry, which problems did you mention?

Those of us of a certain age can remember the original civil rights movement. And a lot of us thought that we'd helped to put the world right. That we'd helped to solve a problem. But it seems we hadn't. We'd just papered over the cracks. The underlying problems remain. And quite a few people on this forum apart from not even considering what the solutions might be, won't even concede that there IS a problem in the first instance. And they become part of that problem.

Well you're going to have to describe the problem.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I certainly understand why it’s confusing, but BLM Global Network Foundation - the organization started in 2014 - is not the same thing as the BLM movement, which is in fact very decentralized. So decentralized there was always tons of fights between different groups of people about strategy and plans. No one was in charge.

it's certainly "confusing", but I think that was by design for the reasons mentioned in prior posts.

 

[Ana the Ist]

The reasons are not more nuanced. Policing has a long history of racism behind it, and in fact, one of the reasons the police were invented in the first place was for "managing" minority populations in the 19th century.

I could be misunderstanding your point but if it's that marching for BLM represents "hysteria", that's....an odd statement to make considering the number of Black people murdered in cold blood by cops that rarely if ever receive punishment for it.
Ringo

What's the number of black people murdered in cold blood by cops?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Nah, that would be the duty of the bottom.

Losing net worth isn't anyone's "duty"...but it also shouldn't be the "goal" either.

Which system would you replace capitalism with?

 

[rturner76]

There's no argument about what he did...

You're making a claim about what he thinks.

You're either a mind reader (you aren't)...or he said something racist that one might reasonably infer he is a racist for saying....or, and this is the most likely one...

You're just making it up.

Now, I can understand why people might not push back against you when you say such things...

They don't want to appear to be defending Chauvin (I certainly don't).

They might not see any harm in letting you believe you can read minds (I would disagree).

Or perhaps they too believe that they can magically determine if someone's motives are racially driven.

Either way, you're not able to read minds. You're most likely making things up. No significant group of people is walking around claiming black lives don't matter...

Except for maybe (ironically) the group named Black Lives Matter....who are only interested in black death, not lives, and only those deaths they can profit from.

WHite cop murdered a black dude. Think about it how you want but I doubt he would have done that to a good ol' boy. I know that neighborhood and I know the 3rd precinct and it's a racist precinct. I live there. Those cops are trash. They seek to put fear in the hearts of the residents. I've personally been slammed by those cops from the 3rd. It's part of their MO to physically assault minorities in that area to spread fear. Can't stand those rascals.

 

[timothyu]

Which system would you replace capitalism with?

Capitalism was at work in the glory days of only say 60 years ago when wealth was spread around. Even a poor kid could afford a Mad Magazine. Capitalism has since been overtaken by Corporatism and therein lies the problem