So how is that BLM thing going?

[disciple Clint]

I think that was covered. You must have read it. I'll write it again:

But in any movement there are morons and fools. And many dumb things are done under the umbrella of that movement. The op asked for a general view as to the effects of the BLM movement. I have given my views. Maybe you could address those.

And to morons and fools I will add thugs and thieves. There are always those who will take advantage of any movement.

This may come as a shock to you but I do not read all your posts.

 

[Bradskii]

This may come as a shock to you but I do not read all your posts.

You skip posts in any given thread? Each to his or her own I guess. But then it's lucky I repeated it so you didn't miss out.

 

[BPPLEE]

BLM the movement? It served (and is serving to some extent) its purpose. Got people asking questions. Thinking about what we should value. Who we should value. How we should address racism. Who is responsible. Who suffers. What form it takes. Made us think. Opened up conversations. Focussed our attention.

All those things are positives.

It is based on lies and false narratives

 

[BPPLEE]

Me neither. But in any movement there are morons and fools. And many dumb things are done under the umbrella of that movement. The op asked for a general view as to the effects of the BLM movement. I have given my views. Maybe you could address those.

Just as there are morons and fools who will believe false narratives and support a movement based on lies and hate

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Just as there are morons and fools who will believe false narratives and support a movement based on lies and hate

Please, this is about the BLM movement, not Donald Trump's MAGA movement.

 

[Bradskii]

Just as there are morons and fools who will believe false narratives and support a movement based on lies and hate

It was based on the fact that racism is still with us. Probably always will be unfortunately. Human nature, I guess. What do you think?

 

[BPPLEE]

It was based on the fact that racism is still with us. Probably always will be unfortunately. Human nature, I guess. What do you think?

Racism has been asserted so much it no longer has any credibility. When everything is racism it hurts the cause where it actually exists

 

[BPPLEE]

Please, this is about the BLM movement, not Donald Trump's MAGA movement.

I bet you never read their website to see what they are actually about

 

[BPPLEE]

Racism has been asserted so much it no longer has any credibility. When everything is racism it hurts the cause where it actually exists

Like Jussie Smollett for example

 

[essentialsaltes]

Like Bradskii I still appreciate the message. As for the organization, I literally told people not to give them money, since the organization was very new, and it wasn't clear how the money was going to be used. So I feel the "I told you so" vibe as well. (See also 'Build the Wall')

 

[Ringo84]

The best organizations are grassroots ones, like the comrades who marched for black lives in the summer of 2020. I don't trust institutionalization of movements because you always end up with stuff like this.

Black Lives, of course, still matter and always will/should.
Ringo

 

[MehGuy]

From the few people I know who were initially sympathetic and supportive of BLM; many gradually changed their minds after looking at racial crime statistics. Honestly, I never thought things like BLM are tenable in the long term.

What most likely will happen are those who demand we see color will change their tune once people actually start taking up their offer to actually have a 'conversation'. They bank on white people being too timid and scared to actually have one. Eventually people will just have enough and start actually having a real dialog. I don't think society has reached this point yet, and it's probably best if BLM just fades away. Might be time for people to swing back to having hysteria over misogyny again, lol. You gotta have the timing right in jingling keys around people, before they start getting wise; you have to switch those keys with something else and jingle from another direction to distract them again.

I do believe black people are more likely to be eyed by the police and consequently deal with more police violence because of it; but the reasons for this are more nuanced than many BLM people want you to think. It's not simply because cops are racists or biased for no reason and want to give black people a hard time. I'm glad I'm white and don't have to deal with that. But I'm not sure what marching for BLM is going to actually do, especially when more often than not they only want shallow discussions about these issues.

 

[Ringo84]

From the few people I know who were initially sympathetic and supportive of BLM; many gradually changed their minds after looking at racial crime statistics. Honestly, I never thought things like BLM are tenable in the long term.

What most likely will happen are those who demand we see color will change their tune once people actually start taking up their offer to actually have a 'conversation'. They bank on white people being too timid and scared to actually have one. Eventually people will just have enough and start actually having a real dialog. I don't think society has reached this point yet, and it's probably best if BLM just fades away. Might be time for people to swing back to having hysteria over misogyny again, lol. You gotta have the timing right in jingling keys around people, before they start getting wise; you have to switch those keys with something else and jingle from another direction to distract them again.

I do believe black people are more likely to be eyed by the police and consequently deal with more police violence because of it; but the reasons for this are more nuanced than many BLM people want you to think. It's not simply because cops are racists or biased for no reason and want to give black people a hard time. I'm glad I'm white and don't have to deal with that. But I'm not sure what marching for BLM is going to actually do, especially when more often than not they only want shallow discussions about these issues.

The reasons are not more nuanced. Policing has a long history of racism behind it, and in fact, one of the reasons the police were invented in the first place was for "managing" minority populations in the 19th century.

I could be misunderstanding your point but if it's that marching for BLM represents "hysteria", that's....an odd statement to make considering the number of Black people murdered in cold blood by cops that rarely if ever receive punishment for it.
Ringo

 

[MehGuy]

The reasons are not more nuanced.

Oh ok, sorry. I thought it was.

Policing has a long history of racism behind it, and in fact, one of the reasons the police were invented in the first place was for "managing" minority populations in the 19th century.

I am not sure what your point is? The reason for the high black homicide rate is because of the history of the police?

I could be misunderstanding your point but if it's that marching for BLM represents "hysteria", that's....an odd statement to make considering the number of Black people murdered in cold blood by cops that rarely if ever receive punishment for it.
Ringo

Hmmm, I'm not sure if I'd call the movement overall being hysertia. I think for many it was highly emotional. A few BLM people acted like it was legitimately dangerous for a black person to go outside because of roaming bands of police wanting to hunt them down. For the vast majority, it's hard to tell what they're thinking.

I think BLM did do some good in holding a few police accountable. I believe there should be police reform, but at the same time I think it's a waste of time for the police to treat all groups statistically the same when they don't act statistically the same. Men in general receive harsher sentences for the same crimes compared to women, and I'm sure we're also treated rougher by the police in general. The fact saddens me as a man, but at the same time I understand somewhat why it is the way it is.

 

[Believer000]

BLM's $6 million mansion a clear violation of IRS law, watchdog charges

NYC Mayor questions BLM over recent gun violence: ‘Where are those who stated Black Lives Matter? The victims were Black’

Patrisse Cullors falsely claims BLM was insolvent before $6M mansion buy

Now...I an not trying to make this into an "I told you so" thread. But I did call it two years ago. I am just curious as to what people think about BLM, especially those who were pro-BLM post George Floyd and how they think about it now in light of all the new revelations.

They are racist towards white folk.

 

[timothyu]

That is so like outdated. It is Ukrainian Lives Matter now.

 

[Ringo84]

Oh ok, sorry. I thought it was.
I am not sure what your point is? The reason for the high black homicide rate is because of the history of the police?

...the police to treat all groups statistically the same when they don't act statistically the same.

If groups don't "statistically act the same", I wonder if that's because Black people are "inherently" violent or because of 'broken windows policing' that patrols disadvantaged neighborhoods more, which means that poorer (and blacker) people end up in jail more often - and very often for petty crimes - than white folks who don't receive the same policing.

It's a chicken-or-egg problem where policing - and a long history of redlining and racist treatment of minorities is the problem.
Ringo

 

[MehGuy]

If groups don't "statistically act the same", I wonder if that's because Black people are "inherently" violent or because of 'broken windows policing' that patrols disadvantaged neighborhoods more, which means that poorer (and blacker) people end up in jail more often - and very often for petty crimes - than white folks who don't receive the same policing.

It's a chicken-or-egg problem where policing - and a long history of redlining and racist treatment of minorities is the problem.
Ringo

No, of course it's not because they're inherently more violent. That would violate the laws of the universe.

This 'broken windows policing'. How much do you think it explains the high black homicide rates? Could there possibly be any other contributing factors? I mean personally, I think the broken windows policing has some merit and is worthy of discussion. Even then, I'm not sure how much it really matters.

 

[Ringo84]

No, of course it's not because they're inherently more violent. That would violate the laws of the universe.

This 'broken windows policing'. How much do you think it explains the high black homicide rates? Could there possibly be any other contributing factors? I mean personally, I think the broken windows policing has some merit and is worthy of discussion. Even then, I'm not sure how much it really matters.

I think it has no merit at all, because it associates being poor and a minority with crime and ignores all the other reasons why desperate people in desperate situations might turn to crime.

A great example are street gangs. Do people join street gangs because they're violent "street toughs" who want to do crime, or is it because they feel as though society has left them behind and they need to band together in order to survive?
Ringo

 

[Oompa Loompa]

There was a change in how the black movement was viewed because it got people asking questions. Thinking about what we should value. Who we should value. How we should address racism. Who is responsible. Who suffers. What form it takes. Made us think. Opened up conversations. Focussed our attention.

Seems we need constant reminders.

And content of character will be the only consideration when it is the only consideration.

It sure got me thinking hard about how much society has failed black Americans. And the problem isn't "systemic racism" or some nameless/faceless white supremacist trying to keep the black man down.