So how is that BLM thing going?

[Aryeh Jay]

I wonder who was in charge of the finances for BLM? Was it the same guy who was cooking the books at the NRA?

 

[Servus]

Sounds like BLM should go back to being the Bureau of Land Management.

 

[BPPLEE]

The federal budget is less than $7 trillion, even with the additional COVID spending. $450 trillion would last almost 100 years.

That is assuming the budget would stay the same. There would be reparations and new projects and more people paid not to work the politicians especially the Democrats would spend every penny. Two years is an exaggeration but it wouldn't last long. My father always told me if you took all the money people have and distributed it evenly among the public in 6 months the people who were rich would have their money back.

 

[BPPLEE]

Still waiting for some positive suggestions...

For 16 years I went to schools and talked to kids about drugs. They loved the dogs and Red Ribbon week was always busy but I only had an hour of their time. How much difference can you make compared to all the time they spend in a negative environment? But I thought if I helped just one kid it was worth it. I was a Youth Minister and I had about 100 kids and was able to help a lot of them but we had kids that came in on the bus ministry and they didn't pay attention, they didn't know how to act and all they did was disrupt things and ruin it for the kids that were there for the right reasons. I tried to help those kids but I only had them an hour and a half a week. That was nothing compared to the time they spent in a negative environment. The best I could do was to get them to behave for an hour, I couldn't help them. You can only do so much and you have to have something to work with. The problems we face stem from the disintegration of the family unit. When you figure out how to fix that you'll be on your way to making a difference,

 

[Aldebaran]

and Cullers made her living by teaching and writing.

An empty claim.
Co-founder of BLM, which got a ton of money that can't even be tracked, and now she's suddenly with the rich elite that BLM people resent so much, yet they defend this woman.

 

[Aldebaran]

She wouldn't have a doctorate? Why wouldn't she be educated? Do you have a reason other than the color of her skin?

That's the reason/excuse you guys always come up with.

 

[timothyu]

My father always told me if you took all the money people have and distributed it evenly among the public in 6 months the people who were rich would have their money back.

Exactly.. it always flows to the top.

 

[SilverBear]

An empty claim.
Co-founder of BLM, which got a ton of money that can't even be tracked, and now she's suddenly with the rich elite that BLM people resent so much, yet they defend this woman.

Cullers in a university professor

Cullers has written three best selling books all published by St. Martin Press. Publishers Weekly estimates these books have earned Cullers more than 12 million.

Cullers has a seven figure deal with Warner Bros television group.

She has a six figure deal with You Tube

She owns and runs and art gallery in South Los Angeles.

Online reports estimate Cullors’ net worth to be in the range of $20 million.

 

[timothyu]

So she is an entrepreneurial influencer for profit?

 

[BPPLEE]

Cullers in a university professor

Cullers has written three best selling books all published by St. Martin Press. Publishers Weekly estimates these books have earned Cullers more than 12 million.

Cullers has a seven figure deal with Warner Bros television group.

She has a six figure deal with You Tube

She owns and runs and art gallery in South Los Angeles.

Online reports estimate Cullors’ net worth to be in the range of $20 million.

Sounds like a rich liberal elitist

 

[timothyu]

Sounds like a rich liberal elitist

Do not elitists use the masses for their own purposes? Its how they become elite.

 

[BPPLEE]

Hey guys. Been nice talking. But seriously, I'm up to my back teeth of such negativity. All you want to do is point out problems and denigrate any solutions to solve the problems. Just quote isolated incidents and suggest it's universal. Blame it on liberals. Crt. Lgbtq. 'Orientals'. BLM. Democrats. The press. Whoever. Complain all you want. Go for your life.

But for heaven's sake, don't offer any suggestions about any practical steps you could take. That appears to be firmly in the too-hard basket.

Do you know what a dialogue is? A discussion generally held to resolve a problem. Do you know what a forum is? It's a place to exchange ideas.

Let me know when you want to do either.

I apologize for saying you were spoonfed it was someone else that threw that at me but the posts were coming so fast I got you mixed up

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I think at the very least, cases like this are proof-positive that the shtick about it being "an idea" or "autonomous" or a "decentralized movement" was never really the case.

That's not meant to promote (or disparage) any idea put forth by any of the individual chapters.
(for the record, while I disagree with some of the ideas they have for reforms...I've actually talked to a few of the organizers and members of BLM-Cleveland when they were out at another event I was at...they're pretty nice people for the most part and I got along with them well in the 20 mins or so I chatted with them)

...but there's definitely a pecking order there (to burst the bubble of anyone thinking it was an autonomous decentralized movement or "an idea").

Autonomous decentralized movements don't have a person who holds the title of "Managing Director" at the national level...

...but organizations with a defined hierarchy do.

Any much like any other organization with a hierarchy (whether it be a fortune 500 company, a motorcycle gang, or an ideological/cause-driven group), there's the the susceptibility for people at the top to abuse their power or use it for their own financial gain - while stringing along the people at the bottom by making them think they have their best interests at heart.

 

[timothyu]

while stringing along the people at the bottom by making them think they have their best interests at heart.

You mean they model themselves after governments.

 

[SilverBear]

I think at the very least, cases like this are proof-positive that the shtick about it being "an idea" or "autonomous" or a "decentralized movement" was never really the case.

That's not meant to promote (or disparage) any idea put forth by any of the individual chapters.
(for the record, while I disagree with some of the ideas they have for reforms...I've actually talked to a few of the organizers and members of BLM-Cleveland when they were out at another event I was at...they're pretty nice people for the most part and I got along with them well in the 20 mins or so I chatted with them)

...but there's definitely a pecking order there (to burst the bubble of anyone thinking it was an autonomous decentralized movement or "an idea").

Autonomous decentralized movements don't have a person who holds the title of "Managing Director" at the national level...
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...but organizations with a defined hierarchy do.

Any much like any other organization with a hierarchy (whether it be a fortune 500 company, a motorcycle gang, or an ideological/cause-driven group), there's the the susceptibility for people at the top to abuse their power or use it for their own financial gain - while stringing along the people at the bottom by making them think they have their best interests at heart.

you kind of skipped over the fact that to register as a nonprofit 501(c)(3) charitable organization you have to file information with the IRS which includes naming a minimum of three board members and one managing director.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

You mean they model themselves after governments.

Well, I would say the key distinction is that governments can provide public services when run correctly, despite the fact that they may not do it the most efficient way.

Private entities tend to be much more efficient, but self-serving by their very nature (and not saying that's a bad thing).

For instance, it's not a coincidence that the state government project to build a new library in my town took close to 2 years, and Chick-fil-a managed two put up 2 new locations from scratch, be fully staffed, and operational within a matter of 4 months.

However, I think public and private entities both have their place. There is a need for certain things to have a functioning society that don't necessarily "rake in the dough" like a private business would.

...and it's completely true that when it comes to public projects, the saying goes "you can't transfer money, but with a leaky bucket".

But I think advocacy groups are in a class of their own in that regard. As in most cases, they don't really provide a tangible public or private service.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

you kind of skipped over the fact that to register as a nonprofit 501(c)(3) charitable organization you have to file information with the IRS which includes naming a minimum of three board members and one managing director.

Autonomous groups wouldn't have to make such filings if it was just simply an organic movement with no leadership structure, no income, and no vested interests.

For instance, if me and 5 of my friends decided to start the "no blue shirts allowed" movement, and decided to gather and stand outside various clothing stores and protest, there would be no need to register as an organization, correct?

The very fact that they decided to register as a non-profit organization (emphasis on organization), shows that they're not simply an "autonomous movement".

And every movement has leaders...it's impossible not to.

It reminds me of this scene from the show "The Newsroom" talking about Occupy when that was still a thing...

 

[timothyu]

Well, I would say the key distinction is that governments can provide public services when run correctly, despite the fact that they may not do it the most efficient way.

The money and power still flows to the top yet it is the bottom that pays for it in the end.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

The money and power still flows to the top yet it is the bottom that pays for it in the end.

Well, technically the top pays for most of it.

The dreaded "1%" actually picks up 40% of tax tab for the country (that number goes much higher when you look at the top 5%)

 

[timothyu]

The dreaded "1%" actually picks up 40% of tax tab for the country (that number goes much higher when you look at the top 5%)

Yet they, unlike the bottom, get it all back. That is the advantage of Corporatism. No matter where the bottom spends it's money it always ends back up at the top