Solution to the creation/evolution debate...?

[AV1611VET]

Oh, I assure you that they have more gripes than what this 'wiki' lists.

Here's a link in that article about Egypt:

LINK

It then says:

This passage is one of the most erroneous in the Bible.

Then it summarizes thusly:

1. Egypt and everything from the tower of Syene to Ethiopia will be desolate and waste
2. God will own the Nile
3. No humans will walk through Egypt
4. No animals will walk through Egypt
5. Nobody will live in Egypt for 40 years
6. Egyptians will leave Egypt and be scattered among other nations
7. After 40 years of scattering, Egypt will be repopulated by the scattered Egyptians
8. Egypt will be a weak kingdom, and will never control "the nations"

And, true to form, concludes:

Never happened.

I have a simple question for those guys:

Do you know what an "exclusion zone" is?

Does Chernobyl come to mind? Mayak? Fukushima?

 

[sjastro]

Here's a link in that article about Egypt:

LINK

It then says:


Then it summarizes thusly:

1. Egypt and everything from the tower of Syene to Ethiopia will be desolate and waste
2. God will own the Nile
3. No humans will walk through Egypt
4. No animals will walk through Egypt
5. Nobody will live in Egypt for 40 years
6. Egyptians will leave Egypt and be scattered among other nations
7. After 40 years of scattering, Egypt will be repopulated by the scattered Egyptians
8. Egypt will be a weak kingdom, and will never control "the nations"

And, true to form, concludes:


I have a simple question for those guys:

Do you know what an "exclusion zone" is?

Does Chernobyl come to mind? Mayak? Fukushima?

Yes it does come to mind along with cats being terrified of cucumbers.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It helps me understand you better.

Really? You should be now understand that I understand the Bible better than you do. I can see which parts are either allegory or morality tales. When one reads the Bible too literally one ends up being a Flat Earth believer.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Dear me!

Look at all these "unfulfilled prophecies" in this link!

Of all the prophecies given in the Bible, is this all they could come up with!?

No, that is merely skimming the surface. Why do you need more than that? You have as yet to provide a valid prophecy. You sound like a little leaguer that is complaining they only lost the game by a score of 10 to 0.

 

[FullMoon]

Why do less dense things go up?

Not sure.

Why do objects all fall at the same rate in a vacuum?

With density and buoyancy, in a vacuum, because there is nothing opposing their movement, I think they just fall at maximum rate. Not sure what defines the rate, but its probably independent of the mass and density.
As far as I can tell, gravity doesn't explain this. Why is gravity treated as an acceleration in this case exactly? If gravity is a force, then it should follow F=ma, so the object with more mass should fall slower, so how does falling at the same rate "confirm" gravity is working?

Why are other objects in the Solar system spheres with orbits if the Earth is flat?

Firstly, earth is special. The things you see above are not earthy things, not made of rocks etc. The moon is transparent. Have you ever seen the other side of the moon? The sun, moon, and the stars are moving clockwise above the earth (center of motion being the north pole - the center of the earth; also there is no south pole), the wondering stars (the "other planets") have the sun as their center of circular motion.

The laws of gravity were determined to define what we could observe... the theory of gravity is the explanation for those facts.

See my point about gravity in the "same rate in a vacuum" section. Furthermore, the weight of objects do not change between midday and midnight, so how can gravity and the solar system be true? I would expect that objects would weight less at midday compared to midnight because at midday the earth's and sun's gravitational pull would oppose each other on an object (causing it to weigh less), while at midnight, they would work together (causing it to weigh more). Obviously, this does not occur.

 

[FullMoon]

Plenty of faked and not-very-carefully edited videos. In the first one a little girl asks, "Why nobody has been to the moon in such a long time" and Aldrin says that's his question. He's saying nobody has gone to the moon for a long time and he'd like to know why.

Did you miss the part where he said: "I wanna know but I think I know, because we didn't...cause we didn't go there and that's [the] way it happened, and if it didn't happen; its nice to know why it didn't happen".

If you're taking any of that stuff seriously, you'll be easy meat for scammers - be careful out there.

Seriously? Most of the world has been scammed already, and still being scammed. How much money is going to space programs, and other lies. All taxpayer money of course.

 

[FullMoon]

Density and buoyancy do nothing to explain motion without gravity.

Gravity doesn't seem to catch a helium filled balloon.

 

[FullMoon]

And with that, I'm officially calling "Poe" on this one...

The reason I say this is because, on the globe model, up direction for one person may not be up for another depending on their location.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Gravity doesn't seem to catch a helium filled balloon.

It doesn't catch a boat floating on the water, either -- know why?

 

[TLK Valentine]

The reason I say this is because, on the globe model, up direction for one person may not be up for another depending on their location.

And if we were facing one another, "left" for me would not be the same as "left" for you.

So... either directions are relative, or you can no longer trust "left" and "right."

 

[Astrid]

Did you miss the part where he said: "I wanna know but I think I know, because we didn't...cause we didn't go there and that's [the] way it happened, and if it didn't happen; its nice to know why it didn't happen".

Seriously? Most of the world has been scammed already, and still being scammed. How much money is going to space programs, and other lies. All taxpayer money of course.

Never considered it might be you
have scammed yourself?

 

[AV1611VET]

And if we were facing one another, "left" for me would not be the same as "left" for you.

So... either directions are relative, or you can no longer trust "left" and "right."

Do you know the difference between Thalidomide and Aspirin?

Aspirin causes horrible mutations in mice, but not humans.

Thalidomide didn't affect mice at all, but caused horrible mutations in humans.

And while we're on the subject of relativity, can you tell me why Vioxx was taken off the market?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Not sure.

With density and buoyancy, in a vacuum, because there is nothing opposing their movement, I think they just fall at maximum rate. Not sure what defines the rate, but its probably independent of the mass and density.
As far as I can tell, gravity doesn't explain this. Why is gravity treated as an acceleration in this case exactly? If gravity is a force, then it should follow F=ma, so the object with more mass should fall slower, so how does falling at the same rate "confirm" gravity is working?

Firstly, earth is special. The things you see above are not earthy things, not made of rocks etc. The moon is transparent. Have you ever seen the other side of the moon? The sun, moon, and the stars are moving clockwise above the earth (center of motion being the north pole - the center of the earth; also there is no south pole), the wondering stars (the "other planets") have the sun as their center of circular motion.
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See my point about gravity in the "same rate in a vacuum" section. Furthermore, the weight of objects do not change between midday and midnight, so how can gravity and the solar system be true? I would expect that objects would weight less at midday compared to midnight because at midday the earth's and sun's gravitational pull would oppose each other on an object (causing it to weigh less), while at midnight, they would work together (causing it to weigh more). Obviously, this does not occur.

No, gravity explains why things fall perfectly. Not only that we can test it and confirm it. More important we can test and refute it if it is wrong.

What possible test could refute your rather bogus idea of "buoyancy" (which actually relies on gravity) as another explanation? Think hard.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Do you know the difference between Thalidomide and Aspirin?

Aspirin causes horrible mutations in mice, but not humans.

Thalidomide didn't affect mice at all, but caused horrible mutations in humans.

And while we're on the subject of relativity, can you tell me why Vioxx was taken off the market?

I can't find any evidence for the claim of mutations caused by aspirin, but thanks for admitting that you are wrong again.

 

[Yttrium]

Gravity doesn't seem to catch a helium filled balloon.

It certainly does catch a helium-filled balloon, or the balloon would float off into space. (Or bounce off that dome ceiling of yours.) Instead, if finds a comfortable altitude to hang out at.

 

[FullMoon]

Never considered it might be you
have scammed yourself?

How does one scam oneself?

 

[Subduction Zone]

How does one scam oneself?

By believing lies and spreading those lies as if they were the truth.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Do you know the difference between Thalidomide and Aspirin?

Aspirin causes horrible mutations in mice, but not humans.

Thalidomide didn't affect mice at all, but caused horrible mutations in humans.

A great argument against animal experimentation! I'm proud of you, AV!

Meanwhile, institutionalized religion is horrible for humans, but it hasn't hurt the church mice any...

 

[FullMoon]

By believing lies and spreading those lies as if they were the truth.

What makes you think they are lies? Have you looked into them? If not, are you afraid you might end up believing these "lies"?

 

[Subduction Zone]

What makes you think they are lies? Have you looked into them? If not, are you afraid you might end up believing these "lies"?

Yes. I have. But you have not. You did not answer me on what test would show your beliefs to be wrong. That was a very important question. If you do not have a way to conduct such a test then you have no scientific evidence for your beliefs. They are just nonsense.