My Postal Challenge

[disciple Clint]

What blows me away is that you'd even think that a crackdown on crime wouldn't accompany what I said.

Fund law enforcement, intelligence services and commence a campaign which tells it like it is, as far as weapons capable of mass murders!
These half-way, watered down messages of denial you keep sending out, are farcical and only make the situation worse than it is!
Get real!

I would love to show you real because once you see and experience real your concepts will change and your understanding of what I have said will improve dramatically

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I recognize foolishness when I see it.

Interesting how you avoided addressing either of the points I raised but instead attacked me. Do you not have a rebuttal?

 

[Kylie]

go find post #97, this time when you find it, READ it.

I did read it.

Do you have any evidence that he knew how to/had the resources to make a bomb? Do you have evidence that a similar number of people would have been killed if he'd started a fire? Do you have evidence to show that he was able to get his hands on a plane and fly it to that location?

You seem to miss the fact that a gun makes it QUICK AND EASY to carry out a mass shooting. A person can wake up, decide that they are going to do a mass shooting, get their gun and go and do it very soon after they decide to do so. The other options you list generally don't have that option.

 

[SelfSim]

"The majority of all mass public killers (some studies estimate as many as two-thirds) likely suffered from a serious mental illness prior to their attacks, and often displayed clear signs of delusional thinking, paranoia, or irrational feelings of oppression associated with conditions such as schizophrenia and bipolar-related psychosis."
The Role of Mental Illness in Mass Shootings, Suicides

As I read through the linked report to that paper here, what I get is that just about all of those who committed these mass murders (and suicided), were at some stage or another, mentally ill. Many were already known as showing signs of delusions (etc) prior to their final actions and many were already either known to health professionals, or were already under treatment. Some still committed their final actions in other ways other than by using mass killing weapons but most of them did elect to use those weapons.

The conclusion does not rule out restricting access and distribution of mass killing weapons to the general population, given that this will also restrict access to the proportion of them who do use those weapons to kill innocents.:

Taken together, the broader research and specific incidents presented above evidence a strong correlation between serious mental illness—especially when untreated—and specific types of firearm-related violence, such as suicide and mass public shootings. This is not to suggest that individuals with serious mental illness should be treated as community pariahs or that they are the cause of most firearm-related violence in the United States. The connection between the two, however, is not insignificant, and must be accounted for as part of any holistic approach to reducing the prevalence of violent crime in our communities.

There are no reasons presented for not starting to curtail access to already abundant mass killing weapons and certainly none for the ridiculuosly unsupported idea of increasing the numbers of them!
Gotta start somewhere .. after all.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

our culture is very, very different. How is your violent crime rate there, what is your police response time.

In terms of murders/homicides per million, it's a quarter of the US rate. I suspect it's mostly a result of knife crime in the UK and gun crime in the US.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

We have to deal with what is not what we would like it to be. It is common now to get shot at in urban areas over nothing more than road rage.

Exactly. People will always have bursts of rage. But without a gun to hand, it can't result in a shooting.

 

[Opdrey]

"The majority of all mass public killers (some studies estimate as many as two-thirds) likely suffered from a serious mental illness prior to their attacks, and often displayed clear signs of delusional thinking, paranoia, or irrational feelings of oppression associated with conditions such as schizophrenia and bipolar-related psychosis."
The Role of Mental Illness in Mass Shootings, Suicides

No one is arguing against that point.

In fact Wayne La Pierre of the NRA actually discussed it at length.

Since mental illness + guns can lead to this bad outcome and guns are more available because some gun enthusiasts like to flood our society with them then those who buy and use guns should pay extra to offset the damage done to society.

My car doesn't weigh as much as a truck but we both pay road taxes to keep the roads up because of the damage our collective weight does to the roads.

Pretty simple. The mentally ill are NOT a handy "umbrella" for gun enthusiasts to hide under when it suits them. If this is an issue then they can help fix it.

 

[Opdrey]

I do not know anyone who is like the people you are describing.

America has the leading stats on gun homicides in the developed world. How do you think we got there?

 

[TLK Valentine]

well I guess if you say so, you must have some evidence so, post it.

As you wish.
Public Mass Shootings: Database Amasses Details of a Half Century of U.S. Mass Shootings with Firearms, Generating Psychosocial Histories

 

[TLK Valentine]

This is a serious subject but have your fun. If the criminal justice system actually worked as it was designed mandatory minimums might have some impact.

I'm actually against mandatory minimums, but if you're not going to explain what you're actually talking about, you're wasting your serious subject.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

This is a serious subject but have your fun. If the criminal justice system actually worked as it was designed mandatory minimums might have some impact.

Can you show your evidence for the effect of mandatory minimum sentencing? Are you sure it's the deterrent you believe it to be?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Can you show your evidence for the effect of mandatory minimum sentencing? Are you sure it's the deterrent you believe it to be?

I suspect his issue is not so much with mandatory minimums but with the presumption of innocence in the US criminal justice system...

...but I could be wrong.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I suspect his issue is not so much with mandatory minimums but with the presumption of innocence in the US criminal justice system...

...but I could be wrong.

Given that he's whinging about criminals being let out of prison early it's a safe bet he's more concerned about mandatory minimums.

 

[Mr Laurier]

Why do people go postal?

Not much of a challenge.
People need to feel a sense of community.
In the world created by America, there is no such sense of community.
People go insane.
A sick society produces sick people.

 

[AV1611VET]

A sick society produces sick people.

Cause and Effect?

 

[Opdrey]

Cause and Effect?

America is among the most religious people in the developed world (PEW) and yet we have the highest per capita gun homicide rate of any developed nation on earth. A 2017 Pew research study found that about 40% of white Evangelical Christians in America owned a gun (538) so it's kind of hard to think there's some central moral corrosion at the heart of America that leads us to be among the most bloodthirsty killers in the developed world.

 

[Opdrey]

Not much of a challenge.
People need to feel a sense of community.
In the world created by America, there is no such sense of community.
People go insane.
A sick society produces sick people.

^^^QFT^^^ we generate a form of "anti-community" in America. We couldn't care less about the poor (or anyone else apparently) and we act like the ills of society are someone else's problem so we let them fester. In so doing we put huge distance between ourselves and our fellow Americans.

 

[AV1611VET]

America is among the most religious people in the developed world (PEW) and yet we have the highest per capita gun homicide rate of any developed nation on earth. A 2017 Pew research study found that about 40% of white Evangelical Christians in America owned a gun (538) so it's kind of hard to think there's some central moral corrosion at the heart of America that leads us to be among the most bloodthirsty killers in the developed world.

Who do you think "The Murderer" goes after first? Christians or non-Christians?

 

[Opdrey]

Who do you think "The Murderer" goes after first? Christians or non-Christians?

There is no preference for the insane.

 

[AV1611VET]

There is no preference for the insane.

I don't think Satan is insane.