How Many Evenings are in a Day?

[daq]

So let's see the full text and your source; and tell me how it has any bearing on the verses that I referenced.

MILIK - The Book of Enoch Aramaic Fragments Qumran Cave 4 : Jozef T. Milik : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
(Pages 278-281)

 

[daq]

My Favorite Translation, TS2009, had these notes for John 20:19.

"The underlying Greek text is "mia ton sabbaton ", which, when literally translated, means "one of the sabbath/s", but is traditionally rendered as "first day of the week." The term "first day of the week" is literally translated as "proté hemera tis hebdomata " in Greek, but nowhere appears as such in the Second Writings. There is a strong argument that "mia ton sabbaton" should be rendered according to Semitic idiom as "day one of the week".
See Mat 28:1, Luqas 24:1, Yoḥ 20:1, Qor. Aleph 16:2 / Mat_28:1, Luk_24:1, Joh_20:1, 1Co_16:2."

Concerning the portion I highlighted in your post:

Luke 5:17
17 και εγενετο εν μια των ημερων και αυτος ην διδασκων και ησαν καθημενοι φαρισαιοι και νομοδιδασκαλοι οι ησαν εληλυθοτες εκ πασης κωμης της γαλιλαιας και ιουδαιας και ιερουσαλημ και δυναμις κυριου ην εις το ιασθαι αυτον

Therefore, if you understand what is going on and what is being said from this point into the next chapter, (up to John 6:6 and what follows), it goes right back to the Shabbat hour in every sacred calendar day.

John 6:1 contains the phrase εν σαββατω δευτεροπρωτω, "in the second primary Shabbat", and the primary Shabbat is the pattern, the Shabbat hour of creation which occurs in every sacred calendar day, the pattern upon which the weekly Shabbat is based.

 

[HARK!]

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MILIK - The Book of Enoch Aramaic Fragments Qumran Cave 4 : Jozef T. Milik : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
(Pages 278-281)

There were numerous different kinds of manuscripts found at Betharaba, and numerous variants among like manuscripts. A full copy of 1 Enoch was found at Betharaba; but unfortunately is was sold to a private collector, and has yet to be released.

Why would you believe that these fragments were part of 1 Enoch; and if they are; why would you believe that they are a more correct variant?

How do you reconcile that manuscript with Jubilees?

JUBILEES 2

8 And on the fourth day He created the sun and the moon and the stars, and
set them in the firmament of the heaven, to give light upon all the earth, and to
rule over the day and the night, and divide the light from the darkness.
9 And YAHWEH appointed the sun to be a great sign on the earth for days and
for Shabbats and for months and for feasts and for years and for Shabbats of
years and for jubilees and for all seasons of the years

JUBILEES 6

36 For there will be those who will assuredly make observations of the moon-how it disturbs the seasons and comes in from year to year ten days too soon.

37 For this reason the years will come upon them when they will disturb (the
order), and make an abominable (day) the day of testimony, and an unclean day
a feast day, and they will confound all the days, the kodesh with the unclean,
and the unclean day with the kodesh; for they will go wrong as to the months
and Shabbats and feasts and jubilees.
38 For this reason I command and testify to you that you may testify to them;
for after your death your children will disturb them, so that they will not make
the year three hundred and sixty-four days only, and for this reason they will go
wrong as to the new months and seasons and Shabbats and festivals, and they
will eat all kinds of blood with all kinds of flesh.


Here is another document that was found at Betharaba:

As for the exact determination of their times to which
Israel turns a blind eye, behold it is strictly defined in the
Book of the Divisions of the Times into their Jubilees and
Weeks.
(CD XVI, 2-4)

This is a longer version of the title of the Book of Jubilees

4Q320 reveals that there are both solar and lunar months. Here is a portion of that document:



Mishmarot A (4Q320)
Fr. 1 i
I ... to show it from the east. [And] to cause it to shine [in] the middle of
heaven, in the foundation [of the creat]ion, from evening till morning.
(There is full moon)
On the 4th (day) in the week [of the sons of G]amul in the first month
of [the firs]t year.
[On the 5th (day) in (the week of) Jedai]ah, (corresponding) to the
29th (day of the lunar month, which falls) on the 30th (day) of the 1st
(solar month).
[On the sabbath in (the week of) Hak]koz, (corresponding) to the
30th (day of the lunar month, which falls) on the 30th of the second
(solar month).
[On the 1st (day) in (the week of) Elia]shib, (corresponding) to the
29th (day of the lunar month), (which falls) on the 29th (day) in the third
(solar month).
[On the 3rd (day) in (the week of) Bilg]ah, (corresponding) to the
30th (day of the lunar month, which falls) on the 28th day in the fourth
(solar month).
[On the 4th (day) in (the week of) Peta]hiah, (corresponding) to the
29th (day of the lunar month which falls) on the 27th day in the fifth
(solar month).

 

[daq]

There were numerous different kinds of manuscripts found at Betharaba, and numerous variants among like manuscripts. A full copy of 1 Enoch was found at Betharaba; but unfortunately is was sold to a private collector, and has yet to be released.

Why would you believe that these fragments were part of 1 Enoch; and if they are; why would you believe that they are a more correct variant?

1) They are not part of Henok.
2) They are indeed part of Luminaries.

That's the problem: the fragments reveal that Luminaries at Damascus was longer than the abridged version of Luminaries now found in Ethiopian 1Enoch. Why therefore would you give more credence to the Ethiopic version of Luminaries seeing that the Damascus version was not the same, and no doubt longer? You do not have a complete version of the calendar in the Ethiopic version because it has clearly been shortened or abridged if indeed it is the same book of the Luminaries as the one at Damascus.

How do you reconcile that manuscript with Jubilees?

JUBILEES 2

8 And on the fourth day He created the sun and the moon and the stars, and
set them in the firmament of the heaven, to give light upon all the earth, and to
rule over the day and the night, and divide the light from the darkness.
9 And YAHWEH appointed the sun to be a great sign on the earth for days and
for Shabbats and for months and for feasts and for years and for Shabbats of
years and for jubilees and for all seasons of the years

JUBILEES 6

36 For there will be those who will assuredly make observations of the moon-how it disturbs the seasons and comes in from year to year ten days too soon.

37 For this reason the years will come upon them when they will disturb (the
order), and make an abominable (day) the day of testimony, and an unclean day
a feast day, and they will confound all the days, the kodesh with the unclean,
and the unclean day with the kodesh; for they will go wrong as to the months
and Shabbats and feasts and jubilees.
38 For this reason I command and testify to you that you may testify to them;
for after your death your children will disturb them, so that they will not make
the year three hundred and sixty-four days only, and for this reason they will go
wrong as to the new months and seasons and Shabbats and festivals, and they
will eat all kinds of blood with all kinds of flesh.


Here is another document that was found at Betharaba:

As for the exact determination of their times to which
Israel turns a blind eye, behold it is strictly defined in the
Book of the Divisions of the Times into their Jubilees and
Weeks.
(CD XVI, 2-4)

This is a longer version of the title of the Book of Jubilees

I don't need to reconcile anything with the book of Jubilees. I know what the original Yobel is by the Torah, and Torah study, and by the calendar, and calendar study. Moreover I do not believe Luminaries in the form in which we now have it was original to Sefer Henok, which again, is pretty obviously why it was a separate work at Damascus.

4Q320 reveals that there are both solar and lunar months. Here is a portion of that document:

Mishmarot A (4Q320)
Fr. 1 i
I ... to show it from the east. [And] to cause it to shine [in] the middle of
heaven, in the foundation [of the creat]ion, from evening till morning.
(There is full moon)
On the 4th (day) in the week [of the sons of G]amul in the first month
of [the firs]t year.
[On the 5th (day) in (the week of) Jedai]ah, (corresponding) to the
29th (day of the lunar month, which falls) on the 30th (day) of the 1st
(solar month).
[On the sabbath in (the week of) Hak]koz, (corresponding) to the
30th (day of the lunar month, which falls) on the 30th of the second
(solar month).
[On the 1st (day) in (the week of) Elia]shib, (corresponding) to the
29th (day of the lunar month), (which falls) on the 29th (day) in the third
(solar month).
[On the 3rd (day) in (the week of) Bilg]ah, (corresponding) to the
30th (day of the lunar month, which falls) on the 28th day in the fourth
(solar month).
[On the 4th (day) in (the week of) Peta]hiah, (corresponding) to the
29th (day of the lunar month which falls) on the 27th day in the fifth
(solar month).

Already answered here:
Did Yahshua Rise on the 7th Day Shabbat...

As for Mishmarot A it appears to me that you may not even realize it is a lunisolar priestly calendar. It does not represent the primary calendar of the DSS Community at large in those days and later times. It was, in part, apparently an attempt at reconciliation with the lunarists in the case that the sons of Tzadok might regain control of Yerushalem after having been forced out by the Maccabees, which never happened. You cannot mix the Mishmarot calendar with the Book of the Luminaries calendar thinking they are the same because they are not. Your own made-up stipulation disqualifies your own version of the calendar.

Read the last section of the following article, (under the title, "The Mishmarot Calendar").
The Pesher Technique: Calendar Study

This link below is the DSS calendar, which has nothing to do with lunar cycles, and as you may see the 26th of the first month was firstfruits of barley: far from what you have presented here, because they didn't count the 14th, the Passover, as a Shabbat like you apparently do. They counted the Shabbat following after the end Matzot as the Shabbat spoken of in the Torah, concerning the wave sheaf-omer commanded to be waved on the morrow from the Shabbat. That Shabbat on their calendar was the 25th, and thus, firstfruits of barley was the 26th.
Full Calendar Monthly Breakdown | Zadok Way

Be sure to click on that first link and read the section concerning the Mishmarot A calendar. As for the second link, it is the same calendar you recently posted in the MJ board, (where I responded), and it has nothing to do with lunar cycles.

 

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I don't need to reconcile anything with the book of Jubilees. I know what the original Yobel is by the Torah, and Torah study, and by the calendar, and calendar study. Moreover I do not believe Luminaries in the form in which we now have it was original to Sefer Henok, which again, is pretty obviously why it was a separate work at Damascus.

Jubilees IS Torah.

(For God made) XVI a Covenant with you and all Israel; therefore a
man shall bind himself by oath to return to the Law of Moses, for in it all
things are strictly defined.

As for the exact determination of their times to which Israel turns a
blind eye, behold it is strictly defined in the Book of the Divisions of
Times into their Jubilees and Weeks. And on the day that a man
swears to return to the Law of Moses, the Angel of Persecution shall
cease to follow him provided that he fulfills his word: for this reason
Abraham circumcised himself on the day that he knew.

Full text of "The Dead Sea Scrolls [Complete English Translation].pdf (PDFy mirror)"

JUBILEES 1

1 And it came to pass in the first year of the exodus of the children of Yisrael
out of Egypt, in the third month, on the sixteenth day of the month, [2450 Anno
Mundi] that YAHWEH spoke to Mosheh, saying: 'Come up to Me on the Mount,
and I will give you two tables of stone of the Torah and of the commandment,
which I have written, that you may teach them.'
2 And Mosheh went up into the mount of YAHWEH, and the splendor of
YAHWEH abode on Mount Sinai, and a cloud overshadowed it six days.
3 And He called to Mosheh on the seventh day out of the midst of the cloud,
and the appearance of the splendor of YAHWEH was like a flaming fire on the
top of the mount.
4 And Mosheh was on the Mount forty days and forty nights, and YAHWEH
taught him the earlier and the later history of the division of all the days of the
Torah and of the testimony.
5 And He said: 'Incline your heart to every word which I shall speak to you on
this mount, and write them in a book in order that their generations may see
how I have not forsaken them for all the evil which they have wrought in
transgressing the covenant which I establish between Me and you for their
generations this day on Mount Sinai.

I started a thread on this book here: MJ Only - Jubilees is Torah According to 4Q266

 

[daq]

Full text of "The Dead Sea Scrolls [Complete English Translation].pdf (PDFy mirror)"

Quite amazing: you discredit J. T. Milik over his use of the word Essene and then quote source material from someone else who full well knows about the debate and yet insists that Essene is correct terminology for the Damascus Community.

 

[HARK!]

Quite amazing: you discredit J. T. Milik over his use of the word Essene and then quote source material from someone else who full well knows about the debate and yet insists that Essene is correct terminology for the Damascus Community.

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I didn't send you there for the commentary. I sent you there for the document.

I quoted the document, not the commentary; and I simply cited the source.

Haven't we already been through this once before?

 

[Filippus]

There can't be a leap year. The next Equinox would signal the start of the coming year.

John Pratt did really great work to show different options of intercalation. He proposed a intercalary week.

We are just lacking the historical evidence.

Enoch Calendar Model Details

Shalom

 

[HARK!]

John Pratt did really great work to show different options of intercalation. He proposed a intercalary week.

We are just lacking the historical evidence.

Enoch Calendar Model Details

Shalom

Shabbat shalom.

I saved this to my files for review.

 

[Studyman]

First two? When would you say that the weekly sabbath ended?

I'm quite sure I answered your question in my reply.

 

[Studyman]

Concerning the portion I highlighted in your post:

Luke 5:17
17 και εγενετο εν μια των ημερων και αυτος ην διδασκων και ησαν καθημενοι φαρισαιοι και νομοδιδασκαλοι οι ησαν εληλυθοτες εκ πασης κωμης της γαλιλαιας και ιουδαιας και ιερουσαλημ και δυναμις κυριου ην εις το ιασθαι αυτον

Therefore, if you understand what is going on and what is being said from this point into the next chapter, (up to John 6:6 and what follows), it goes right back to the Shabbat hour in every sacred calendar day.

John 6:1 contains the phrase εν σαββατω δευτεροπρωτω, "in the second primary Shabbat", and the primary Shabbat is the pattern, the Shabbat hour of creation which occurs in every sacred calendar day, the pattern upon which the weekly Shabbat is based.

Thanks Dak,

Good to hear from you again. I Hope you have been well.

I have heard of this belief, and I believe it to be founded on Talmudic principles, which I personally do not believe in.

However, I will study the Scriptures more to see if they, without the help of random Jewish Philosophers, support this doctrine.

Thanks for the reply, and I hope you have a great day

 

[FreeinChrist]

ADVISOR HAT

This thread had a small clean up. Keep it civil. ​

 

[daq]

Thanks Dak,

Good to hear from you again. I Hope you have been well.

I have heard of this belief, and I believe it to be founded on Talmudic principles, which I personally do not believe in.

However, I will study the Scriptures more to see if they, without the help of random Jewish Philosophers, support this doctrine.

Thanks for the reply, and I hope you have a great day

You have a great day too, and enjoy your quest without the help of the random Jewish Philosophers which you mentioned and I did not. Nice chatting.

 

[daq]

Jubilees IS Torah.

(For God made) XVI a Covenant with you and all Israel; therefore a
man shall bind himself by oath to return to the Law of Moses, for in it all
things are strictly defined.

As for the exact determination of their times to which Israel turns a
blind eye, behold it is strictly defined in the Book of the Divisions of
Times into their Jubilees and Weeks. And on the day that a man
swears to return to the Law of Moses, the Angel of Persecution shall
cease to follow him provided that he fulfills his word: for this reason
Abraham circumcised himself on the day that he knew.

I'm curious, did you bind yourself to the oath mentioned in what you have quoted? And if so, and you count Jubilees as Torah, you bound yourself to observe all therein also?

JUBILEES 1
1 And it came to pass in the first year of the exodus of the children of Yisrael
out of Egypt, in the third month, on the sixteenth day of the month, [2450 Anno
Mundi] that YAHWEH spoke to Mosheh, saying: 'Come up to Me on the Mount,
and I will give you two tables of stone of the Torah and of the commandment,
which I have written, that you may teach them.'
2 And Mosheh went up into the mount of YAHWEH, and the splendor of
YAHWEH abode on Mount Sinai, and a cloud overshadowed it six days.
3 And He called to Mosheh on the seventh day out of the midst of the cloud,
and the appearance of the splendor of YAHWEH was like a flaming fire on the
top of the mount.
4 And Mosheh was on the Mount forty days and forty nights, and YAHWEH
taught him the earlier and the later history of the division of all the days of the
Torah and of the testimony.
5 And He said: 'Incline your heart to every word which I shall speak to you on
this mount, and write them in a book in order that their generations may see
how I have not forsaken them for all the evil which they have wrought in
transgressing the covenant which I establish between Me and you for their
generations this day on Mount Sinai.

Obviously the passage referenced from the Torah is Exodus 24, however, the count of the days according to the Jubilees quote does not add up, at least not the way I understand and read the overall passage context.

A hodesh can be either a month or the day of the hodesh, and thus, Exodus 19:1 is more correctly understood to be the third hodesh, for the text states, "in this day", which strongly implies the day of the hodesh, and is a good reason why nothing else is said about a date of the month. It's the first day of the third month: but that disallows the interpretation of the book of Jubilees which you have quoted from and have said is itself Torah.

Exodus 19:1 YLT (Young's Literal)
1 In the third month of the going out of the sons of Israel from the land of Egypt, in this day they have come into the wilderness of Sinai,

It is the third hodesh, meaning the day of the hodesh, and it is "in this day" that the passage commences. Then we read that in the third day the Most High will descend upon the mountain, (Exodus 19:11).

The third day is therefore the third day of the third month: and it is in this day that the Ten Words are spoken in the hearing of all the people, (Exodus 20). Then the people become terrified, thinking they are going to die, and they ask Mosheh to speak to them instead of Elohim, lest they die. And the people stood far off, and Mosheh drew near unto the thick darkness where Elohim was, (Exodus 20:21), and from this point in the passage Mosheh is given all the commandments from Exodus 20:22 through Exodus 23:33, and this is still yet the third day of the third month.

Then Mosheh goes and tells the people all the Testimony, which they agree to, (Exodus 24:3). Mosheh then wrote all the words of the covenant, and rose up early in the morning, which is the next day, which is the fourth day of the third month, and he built an altar under the mount, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Yisrael, (Exodus 24:4).

Therefore what follows in the Exodus 24:4-12 passage is the fourth day of the third month: and this is what leads into the quote you have provided from the very first chapter of the book of Jubilees. And Mosheh goes up into the mount at the end of that day, (Exodus 24:13-15), and the evening dawns into the night, which is the commencement of the fifth day of the month.

And the glory of YHWH abode upon the mount six days, and these six days are the fifth day of the third month unto the tenth day of the third month inclusive. And in the seventh day He called unto Mosheh out of the midst of the cloud, (Exodus 24:16).

 

[HARK!]

A hodesh can be either a month or the day of the hodesh, and thus, Exodus 19:1 is more correctly understood to be the third hodesh, for the text states, "in this day", which strongly implies the day of the hodesh, and is a good reason why nothing else is said about a date of the month. It's the first day of the third month: but that disallows the interpretation of the book of Jubilees which you have quoted from and have said is itself Torah.

We need to be careful not to confuse inferences with implications.

Then Mosheh goes and tells the people all the Testimony, which they agree to, (Exodus 24:3). Mosheh then wrote all the words of the covenant, and rose up early in the morning, which is the next day, which is the fourth day of the third month, and he built an altar under the mount, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Yisrael, (Exodus 24:4).

So the day begins at sunrise?

Therefore what follows in the Exodus 24:4-12 passage is the fourth day of the third month: and this is what leads into the quote you have provided from the very first chapter of the book of Jubilees. And Mosheh goes up into the mount at the end of that day, (Exodus 24:13-15), and the evening dawns into the night, which is the commencement of the fifth day of the month.

So the day begins at nightfall?

 

[HARK!]

I'm curious, did you bind yourself to the oath mentioned in what you have quoted? And if so, and you count Jubilees as Torah, you bound yourself to observe all therein also?

Do you believe that the YLT is exactly was was given to Moshe, without alteration? If not, have you made a vow to bind yourself to the YLT?

I'll be honoring Pesach on 4/5/22, unless I can find convincing evidence that I should do otherwise.

 

[daq]

Do you believe that the YLT is exactly was was given to Moshe, without alteration? If not, have you made a vow to bind yourself to the YLT?

I quoted the YLT in that case because it is accurate. Why should I be required to post the Hebrew text and give my rendering every time I post something from the Tanach? Even when I do indeed do that, which isn't all that often, I usually end up getting accused of only doing so because I have my own private interpretation, lol. Then everyone wants to know why I do not accept their favorite translation. The YLT isn't exactly how I myself would render the verse but it is close enough and is accurate. In fact I would rather the text simply read the word hodesh for what it is, transliterated straight into English, for the meaning is twofold: either a full month, (hodesh), or the day of the hodesh, (which is the first day of a new month).

Exodus 19:1
1 In hodesh hashelishi of the going forth of bnei Yisrael out of eretz Mitzraim, in this yom they entered midbar Sini,

Yes, that is what it says..... imho.

 

[HARK!]

I quoted the YLT in that case because it is accurate. Why should I be required to post the Hebrew text and give my rendering every time I post something from the Tanach? Even when I do indeed do that, which isn't all that often, I usually end up getting accused of only doing so because I have my own private interpretation, lol. Then everyone wants to know why I do not accept their favorite translation. The YLT isn't exactly how I myself would render the verse but it is close enough and is accurate. In fact I would rather the text simply read the word hodesh for what it is, transliterated straight into English, for the meaning is twofold: either a full month, (hodesh), or the day of the hodesh, (which is the first day of a new month).

Exodus 19:1
1 In hodesh hashelishi of the going forth of bnei Yisrael out of eretz Mitzraim, in this yom they entered midbar Sini,

Yes, that is what it says..... imho.

It seems that you didn't fully understand the question. There were variants in the scrolls of the same books which were found at Betharaba. The Zadokites seem to have accepted that. This means that there are variants of the MT, which would also include the LXX, and the Samaritan Torah. However, Yahshua and his disciples have quoted both the MT and the LXX. Have you taken a vow to bind yourself to the LXX, the MT, both, some or one of the other variants, all of the above, none of the above?

BTW, Yahshua and his disciples also quoted the Book of Enoch and the Book of Jubilees.

 

[daq]

It seems that you didn't fully understand the question. There were variants in the scrolls of the same books which were found at Betharaba. The Zadokites seem to have accepted that. This means that there are variants of the MT, which would also include the LXX, and the Samaritan Torah. However, Yahshua and his disciples have quoted both the MT and the LXX. Have you taken a vow to bind yourself to the LXX, the MT, both, some or one of the other variants, all of the above, none of the above?

BTW, Yahshua and his disciples also quoted the Book of Enoch and the Book of Jubilees.

I simply asked you a question based on what you had posted and what you had said. You said this:

Jubilees IS Torah.

And immediately after saying "Jubilees IS Torah" you followed your statement with a portion from your copy of the translations of the DSS out of the section called Statutes, (on page 174 of the PDF link you provided), quoting as follows.

(For God made) XVI a Covenant with you and all Israel; therefore a
man shall bind himself by oath to return to the Law of Moses, for in it all
things are strictly defined.

As for the exact determination of their times to which Israel turns a
blind eye, behold it is strictly defined in the Book of the Divisions of
Times into their Jubilees and Weeks. And on the day that a man
swears to return to the Law of Moses, the Angel of Persecution shall
cease to follow him provided that he fulfills his word: for this reason
Abraham circumcised himself on the day that he knew.

Full text of "The Dead Sea Scrolls [Complete English Translation].pdf (PDFy mirror)"

This your own post is why I asked you the question that I did. Why therefore would you start asking me what you now do when I didn't post anything about swearing an oath or binding myself to anything? Moreover you then posted the quote from the first chapter of the book of Jubilees after you had claimed that it is Torah, as follows.

JUBILEES 1

1 And it came to pass in the first year of the exodus of the children of Yisrael
out of Egypt, in the third month, on the sixteenth day of the month, [2450 Anno
Mundi] that YAHWEH spoke to Mosheh, saying: 'Come up to Me on the Mount,
and I will give you two tables of stone of the Torah and of the commandment,
which I have written, that you may teach them.'
2 And Mosheh went up into the mount of YAHWEH, and the splendor of
YAHWEH abode on Mount Sinai, and a cloud overshadowed it six days.
3 And He called to Mosheh on the seventh day out of the midst of the cloud,
and the appearance of the splendor of YAHWEH was like a flaming fire on the
top of the mount.
4 And Mosheh was on the Mount forty days and forty nights, and YAHWEH
taught him the earlier and the later history of the division of all the days of the
Torah and of the testimony.
5 And He said: 'Incline your heart to every word which I shall speak to you on
this mount, and write them in a book in order that their generations may see
how I have not forsaken them for all the evil which they have wrought in
transgressing the covenant which I establish between Me and you for their
generations this day on Mount Sinai.

I started a thread on this book here: MJ Only - Jubilees is Torah According to 4Q266

I addressed this egregious error on the part of the author of Jubilees in the same post after I asked you the question which I did. The author of Jubilees is clearly attempting to substantiate a calendar with what he deems to be support by the mouth of an angel or angels. I however do not believe the Torah agrees with his calendar, and I just showed you why in that post where I responded to this above.

Are you now suggesting that Jubilees 1:1 is correct and the Torah is incorrect in the passages I cited? particularly the chronological time references starting from Exodus 19:1 through to Exodus 24:16?

From where does Jubilees 1:1, (which you quoted), derive its statement that Exodus 24:12 is the sixteenth day of the third month?

Exodus 24:12 is not the sixteenth day of the third month according to the Torah. The only way to come up with such a date is to count the word hodesh in Exodus 19:1 as though it is not the first day of the new month, and then pick and choose which day of the third month you would like it to be, so as to support your calendar theory: which is what the author of Jubilees apparently did.

 

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I'll be honoring Pesach on 4/5/22, unless I can find convincing evidence that I should do otherwise.

What about John 20:17?