My Discovery Challenge

[AV1611VET]

Are you denying God's power? That's so unlike you, AV.

Seems like much has changed since last I frequented C/E... I would have expected you to say that God would gave heard them if they used two Dixie cups and a piece of string...

Post 107 please.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Post 107 please.

Already addressed -- change the record, please.

 

[Kylie]

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[Opdrey]

How is it that the common people knew the universe had a beginning long before "modern" scientists came along and discovered the universe had a beginning?

And they did this feat by suggesting that something which didn't have a beginning created it all.

And then they decided that they would use the concept that all things have a beginning to suggest that this makes their hypothesis, the "First Uncaused Cause", God (as St. Aquinas did)

By the same token, how is it that the common people knew the universe was expanding long before "modern" scientists came along and discovered the universe is expanding?

That doesn't sound right. I didn't know that any common people knew the universe was expanding.

Without that [book], they can claim they discovered it; rather than [embarrassingly] have to claim they are only really confirming it.

Ummm, yeah, no, that isn't how any of it went down. Sorry. I have never heard anyone suggest scientists read about it in the Bible and then went looking for it.

I CAN confirm that many scientists looked to the Bible to explain the rocks and geology we see only to fail to effectively explain it with the Bible. It wasn't until they let go of a Literal Genesis that all the data came into focus. The Bible was exactly useless to understanding geology and, in fact, hampered its advances for hundreds of years.

But, yeah, I'm sure cosmology was perfectly nailed by the Bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

And they did this feat by suggesting that something which didn't have a beginning created it all.

They didn't "suggest" anything. They wrote it as absolute truth worth dying for.

But, yeah, I'm sure cosmology was perfectly nailed by the Bible.

I am too.

 

[Opdrey]

They didn't "suggest" anything. They wrote it as absolute truth worth dying for

Well, definitely the Amalekites died for it. And a lot of the rest of the Caananites.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, definitely the Amalekites died for it. And a lot of the rest of the Caananites.

Is there anything I can help you find?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

If that was the case ... which it isn't though ... but if that was the case, how coincidental that the right one was written into Scripture, eh?

How did they manage to get it right the first time?

There have been thousands of origin myths & legends, some written down, some not. Whether the one in the scriptures you put your faith in is 'right' or not is a matter of how broad an interpretation you can make of it - it's no great achievement to get a 50/50 'beginning or no beginning' prediction roughly correct.

 

[AV1611VET]

There have been thousands of origin myths & legends, some written down, some not. Whether the one in the scriptures you put your faith in is 'right' or not is a matter of how broad an interpretation you can make of it - it's no great achievement to get a 50/50 'beginning or no beginning' prediction roughly correct.

I wouldn't call this a "50/50 prediction roughly correct."

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Zechariah 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

Saying "thus saith the LORD" is a capital offense.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Saying "thus saith the LORD" is a capital offense.

According to whom?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I wouldn't call this a "50/50 prediction roughly correct."

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Zechariah 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

As I said, it's a matter of how broad an interpretation you can make of it. If 'stretcheth forth the heavens' should be interpreted as making an expanding universe, then 'spreadeth abroad the earth' should be interpreted as making an expanding Earth. But, of course, neither of those is likely to be a correct interpretation, given that for the next 2,000+ years the accepted models of the universe and the Earth were resolutely static and unchanging.

Saying "thus saith the LORD" is a capital offense.

You probably shouldn't have said it then...

 

[Mr Laurier]

How is it that the common people knew the universe had a beginning long before "modern" scientists came along and discovered the universe had a beginning?

By the same token, how is it that the common people knew the universe was expanding long before "modern" scientists came along and discovered the universe is expanding?

Did "modern" scientists really discover it? or are they just confirming something that was already written in a [book] they don't want taught in school?

Without that [book], they can claim they discovered it; rather than [embarrassingly] have to claim they are only really confirming it.

You appear to be trying to claim that creation myths are scientific facts.
The trouble is that there are many creation myths. And they are all different.
You are, once again, pretending that the bible writers were the only people with a creation myth.

 

[Mr Laurier]

Saying "thus saith the LORD" is a capital offense.

Where?

 

[AV1611VET]

According to whom?

The LORD.

 

[AV1611VET]

If 'stretcheth forth the heavens' should be interpreted as making an expanding universe, then 'spreadeth abroad the earth' should be interpreted as making an expanding Earth.

Like when He broke Pangaea up into five continents in Peleg's time?

 

[TLK Valentine]

The LORD.

Well then, you've really gone and stepped in it now, haven't you?

 

[AV1611VET]

You are, once again, pretending that the bible writers were the only people with a creation myth.

You're mything the point.

And if my memory serves me correctly, you're committing a rules violation calling God's creation a "myth".

 

[AV1611VET]

Where?

Deuteronomy 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well then, you've really gone and stepped in it now, haven't you?

The more you post, the less you show you know.

 

[Mr Laurier]

You're mything the point.

And if my memory serves me correctly, you're committing a rules violation calling God's creation a "myth".

Given that I never said a word about God's creation.