Is the Lord's Day Saturday according to Acts of John (Apocryphal)?

[guevaraj]

No there is no time element on the invitation at all. The seventh creation day continues every moment.

Brother, God could not have prevented others by "oath" from entering during those 40 years in the desert with Manna if it were not for the fact that the Sabbath is entered at a specific time when God rested from His work on the seventh day of creation. Because the Sabbath does not fall on the seventh day of the week from morning to morning near the Promised Land, God was able to prevent them from entering His "rest" by forcing them to keep the seventh day of the week for 40 years with Manna from morning to morning near the Promised Land.

For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. (Hebrews 4:3 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Please share which scripture(s) that I posted is it that you disagree with? Are you saying these verses that God claims as His Holy Sabbath day -the holy day of the Lord thy God, that God said verbatim is on the seventh day should be interpreted as the first day? Maybe you can clarify how my interpretation is wrong, when I interpret these scriptures exactly as they read. They seem pretty clear in my eyes.

Genesis 2:3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Exodus 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day, And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,

Mark 2:28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

Isaiah 66:23 And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

Where is the scripture that says the first day is holy to God or to us? They appear to be missing in our bibles.

The subject is John's use of "the Lord's Day" in Revelation.

I disagree with the interpretation of that passage that it must refer to the seventh day of the week. Is that your interpretation?

I don't disagree with any of the scriptures that you posted.

Peace be with you.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The subject is John's use of "the Lord's Day" in Revelation.

I disagree with the interpretation of that passage that it must refer to the seventh day of the week. Is that your interpretation?

I don't disagree with any of the scriptures that you posted.

Peace be with you.

If you agree that God said His holy day is the seventh day, then how can Revelation 1:10 be anything other than the seventh day? The Lord claimed His day and since there is no evidence of the first day being the holy day of the Lord, the day the Lord blessed, the day the Lord sanctified, or the day the Lord commanded us to keep holy, seems like a lot of effort is going out of the way to ignore clear, sound scripture to believe in something that does not exist in scripture. Peace to you too and God bless.

 

[guevaraj]

Are you saying that an angel gave your understanding of scripture?

Brother, our prophetess' inspiration knew of what I found in Genesis' first day: the days of creation are from morning to morning placing the first evening in the middle of the first day. What I mean is that she did not understand it personally, but her inspired writings knew about it. I didn't learn it from her, I learned it from the Genesis creation account that the days of the week are morning to morning and not evening to evening as the Sabbath falls in the Promised Land. An angel told our prophetess what we would learn after having learned "what even is". We will learn "when it is"! Even falls in the middle of the first day and not as supposed at the beginning, because the Sabbath in the Promised Land is not as supposed a day of the week. Note that the angel speaks positively that we will "understand, but not yet, not yet". God helped our church understand the longest time to make this correction by holding an incorrect hour for more than 8 years before doing the Bible study to learn more. The "press together" at the end of the message is what we do here in the forum. I learned about the first day from morning to morning in Genesis because someone on another forum mentioned that from evening to morning is only half a day and that statement is what helped me start to better understand the Sabbath.

I saw that it is even so: “From even unto even, shall ye celebrate your Sabbath.” Said the angel: “Take the word of God, read it, understand, and ye cannot err. Read carefully, and ye shall there find what even is, and when it is.” I asked the angel if the frown of God had been upon His people for commencing the Sabbath as they had. I was directed back to the first rise of the Sabbath, and followed the people of God up to this time, but did not see that the Lord was displeased, or frowned upon them. I inquired why it had been thus, that at this late day we must change the time of commencing the Sabbath. Said the angel: “Ye shall understand, but not yet, not yet.” Said the angel: “If light come, and that light is set aside or rejected, then comes condemnation and the frown of God; but before the light comes, there is no sin, for there is no light for them to reject.” I saw that it was in the minds of some that the Lord had shown that the Sabbath commenced at six o'clock, when I had only seen that it commenced at “even,” and it was inferred that even was at six. I saw that the servants of God must draw together, press together. (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 1, Page 116)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[guevaraj]

Wait, I'm confused about what you're saying again. The morning to morning Sabbath in the wilderness was the correct one?

Brother, the seventh day of the week from morning to morning is not the correct time for the Sabbath near the Promised Land.

But wouldn't that mean that the Israelites in the wilderness had entered into the true Sabbath rest?

They did not enter from morning to morning in the desert when it was supposed to be 10 hours earlier from evening to evening near the Promised Land.

I thought when we were talking earlier you were saying that the right time to start the Sabbath was morning in Eden's time zone, which is on the opposite side of the earth from the promised land. So the true rest starts in evening in the promised land.

Yes, the Sabbath in the Promised Land falls from evening to evening, 10 hours before the seventh day of the week from morning to morning in the Promised Land. United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Yes we have been over this before and the weekly sabbath day certainly is included in (Colossians 2:16-17)

An honest reading of Colossians 2:16 will show that this is talking about not just "ceremonial Sabbaths." The words "ton sabbaton" or "sabbath days"; are the same words translated "Sabbath day" in Exodus 20:8 in the Septuagint (the Jewish translation of the Old Testament into Greek).

Look at Paul's reasoning, "Let no one judge you regarding a,

festival - yearly Sabbaths,
a new moon - monthly Sabbaths,
or a Sabbath day - weekly Sabbaths (or if you wish Sabbath days)"
CHRIST, he goes on to say is the "Substance", these things were shadows.

This clearly states, "you observe...",

days (weekly Sabbaths, corresponding to "Sabbath days in Col. 2)
months (new moons, corresponding to "a new moon" in Col. 2)
seasons (the 7 feasts, corresponding to "festivals" in Col. 2)
and years (the sabbatical year and the 50th year of Jubilee)

You are adding things that are simply not there to benefit one's own needs verses the will of God. God wrote a covenant of Ten Commandments, not nine Exodus 34:28 with His own finger. In these Ten Commandments there is nothing about food or drink offerings. You are combining covenants when God did not. God separated these covenant intentionally as they serve different purposes. God's seventh day Sabbath is a memorial to His creation before sin Genesis 2:1-3, the annual sabbath(s) feast days came after sin. They are not the same.

Colossians 2:14 - Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.

Ephesians 2:15 - Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances, for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.

Yes, the handwriting of ordinances, not the commandments of God, written by the FINGER of God, not hand. Moses handwrote the law of ordinances, not God. The law of ordinances contained the yearly sabbath(s) feast days of food and animal offerings that ended Hebrews 10, Col 2:14-17 with Jesus as our sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins.

Here is the definition of hand:

the end part of a person's arm beyond the wrist, including the palm, fingers, and thumb.

God wrote the commandments with His finger! There is a difference and why are you advocating to "forget" the one commandment God wrote with His finger that we should "Remember" and God uses the word "blessed" and "holy". Why would anyone try to erase the holy day of the Lord thy God Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13 , that God so plainly spoke with His own voice and wrote with His own finger! This is God's day and the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 man was created on the sixth day Genesis 1:26 before sin and before the very first Sabbath celebrated in the presence of the Lord Genesis 2:1-3 which soon for God's saints will be celebrated with the presence of the Lord as His chosen day of worship for eternity. Isaiah 66:23

You can continue believing that the Ten Commandments was just a covenant to Israel, that there are two salvations, one for Iseral and one for everyone else, despite scriptures stating there is only one gospel and one truth. You can believe that you are free to break the commandments of God despite God saying: showing mercy to thousands who love Me and keep My commandments Exodus 20:6 and Jesus repeating If you love Me keep My commandments. and John repeating John 14:15 For this IS the love of God that you keep His commandments 1 John 5:3 and Paul saying what matters IS keeping the commandments of God 1 Cor 7:19 and Jesus warns those who teach others to break these commandment Matthew 5:19. I prefer to believe God and follow the example as we are told by Jesus who kept the commandments including the Sabbath. Luke 4:16, John 15:10

2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

God bless and take care

 

[Servus]

You are adding things that are simply not there to benefit one's own needs verses the will of God. God wrote a covenant of Ten Commandments, not nine Exodus 34:28 with His own finger. In these Ten Commandments there is nothing about food or drink offerings. You are combining covenants when God did not. God separated these covenant intentionally as they serve different purposes. God's seventh day Sabbath is a memorial to His creation before sin Genesis 2:1-3, the annual sabbath(s) feast days came after sin. They are not the same.


Yes, the handwriting of ordinances, not the commandments of God, written by the FINGER of God, not hand. Moses handwrote the law of ordinances, not God. The law of ordinances contained the yearly sabbath(s) feast days of food and animal offerings that ended Hebrews 10, Col 2:13-16 with Jesus as our sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins.

Here is the definition of hand:

the end part of a person's arm beyond the wrist, including the palm, fingers, and thumb.

God wrote the commandments with His finger! There is a difference and why are you advocating to "forget" the one commandment God wrote with His finger that we should "Remember" and God uses the word "blessed" and "holy". Why would anyone try to erase the holy day of the Lord thy God Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13 , that God so plainly spoke with His own voice and wrote with His own finger! This is God's day and the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 man was created on the sixth day Genesis 1:26 before sin and before the very first Sabbath celebrated in the presence of the Lord Genesis 2:1-3 which soon for God's saints will be celebrated with the presence of the Lord as His chosen day of worship for eternity. Isaiah 66:23

You can continue believing that the Ten Commandments was just a covenant to Israel, that there are two salvations, one for Iseral and one for everyone else, despite scriptures stating there is only one gospel and one truth. You can believe that you are free to break the commandments of God despite God saying: showing mercy to thousands who love Me and keep My commandments Exodus 20:6 and Jesus repeating If you love Me keep My commandments. and John repeating John 14:15 For this IS the love of God that you keep His commandments 1 John 5:3 and Paul saying what matters IS keeping the commandments of God 1 Cor 7:19 and Jesus warns those who teach others to break these commandment Matthew 5:19. I prefer to believe God and follow the example we are told to follow of Jesus who kept the commandments including the Sabbath. Luke 4:16, John 15:10

2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

God bless and take care

You and Ellen White make quite a huge deal over God writing with His finger as if that's the most significant thing God ever did. But what about when He wrote with His finger in the Book of John? Why doesn't that get any acclaim?

They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with His finger. John 8:6
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[pasifika]

The death of sin, not death to the law. Jesus said- If you love Me keep My commandments. John 14:15 John said For this IS the love of God that you keep His commandments 1 John 5:3, God said: showing mercy to thousands who love Me and keep My commandments Exodus 20:6

If you are truly in Christ, you will be obeying. The law just points out sin, when we have love in our heart we will be loving our neighbor and not committing adultery, murder, coveting, bearing false witness. When we have love in our heart to God we will not worship other gods, vain His precious name, bow to idols or break His holy Sabbath day. We want to obey because this is LOVE. It really is this simple.

And, the death of Sin is from the Law...
" Sin is transgression of the law" and the wages of Sin is "death" also from the Law...

Romans 7:10..."I found the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death"...

Without the Law, how can Sin be identified and condemned?

If you love God, then "believe" in His Son and Love others..

Claim to Love God by way of the "letter" is just human love Not "AGAPE" love..

"We love because He "first" loved us..

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You and Ellen White make quite a huge deal over God writing with His finger

I will leave that between you and God.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

And, the death of Sin is from the Law...
" Sin is transgression of the law" and the wages of Sin is "death" also from the Law...

Romans 7:10..."I found the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death"...

Without the Law, how can Sin be identified and condemned?

If you love God, then "believe" in His Son and Love others..

Claim to Love God by way of the "letter" is just human love Not "AGAPE" love..

"We love because He "first" loved us..

You can leave this between you and God which commandment(s) God is okay with you literally breaking.

Exodus 20: 3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.

4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

13 “You shall not murder.

14 “You shall not commit adultery.

15 “You shall not steal.

16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

 

[pasifika]

You can leave this between you and God which commandment(s) God is okay with you literally breaking.

Exodus 20: 3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.

4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

13 “You shall not murder.

14 “You shall not commit adultery.

15 “You shall not steal.

16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

Thank you, only God can fulfilled all his commandments in me, through His Spirit..

But, if I follow the "letter" then the Spirit means nothing to me..Galatians 5:6

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Thank you, only God can fulfilled all his commandments in me, through His Spirit..

But, if I follow the "letter" then the Spirit means nothing to me..Galatians 5:6

Keep telling yourself you are free to murder, lie, break God's holy Sabbath day etc. This is not what Jesus teaches. Matthew 19:17-19, John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3 Hebrews 10:26-27 Matthew 7:21-23 1 John 2:3-5 Revelation 12:17, Revelation 14:12, Revelation 22:14-15, Matthew 5:17-20. Luke 4:16 You of course don't keep these commandment to be saved, you keep them because you have a changed heart- God's law written in the heart. Hebrews 8:10, Jer 31:33 You want to obey because you love God and it is a fruit of true faith.
I delight to do Your will, O my God, And Your law is within my heart.” Psalms 40:8,

If you are in Christ, you are obeying the law. It is impossible to be in the Spirit while sinning, which is breaking God's law. 1 John 3:4, Romans 7:7, Romans 3:20 and breaking one commandment is like breaking them all. James 2:10-12. Jesus gives us the Holy Spirit for those who obey. John 14:15-18, Acts 5:32.

 

[Leaf473]

If you agree that God said His holy day is the seventh day, then how can Revelation 1:10 be anything other than the seventh day? The Lord claimed His day and since there is no evidence of the first day being the holy day of the Lord, the day the Lord blessed, the day the Lord sanctified, or the day the Lord commanded us to keep holy, seems like a lot of effort is going out of the way to ignore clear, sound scripture to believe in something that does not exist in scripture. Peace to you too and God bless.

Well, firstly, it's not completely clear that John is referring to a 24-hour period. He might be using "day" in the sense of "season". "In the spirit in the Lord's Day" could mean that he was having a deeply spiritual time. Like, "They sent me here to Patmos as punishment and it turned out I had this deep communion with God."

Next, the standard English translation "the Lord's day" uses the possessive noun "Lord's". But in the Greek that's actually an adjective.

But English doesn't have an adjective form of "Lord". Other suggestions I've heard are "imperial day" and "dominical day".

It's not that "Lord's day" is wrong, it's just that it misses an important piece of information for our discussion.

"My holy day" is showing ownership, possession, so it doesn't necessarily relate to the passage in Revelation.

Indeed, given that John isn't using a possessive noun, that could be done on purpose to differentiate it from the Sabbath.

There's more interesting stuff that can be said on the subject, but I don't want this post to get too long. I'll stop here and wait to hear what your reactions are.

Peace be with you!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Well, firstly, it's not completely clear that John is referring to a 24-hour period. He might be using "day" in the sense of "season". "In the spirit in the Lord's Day" could mean that he was having a deeply spiritual time. Like, they sent me here to Patmos as punishment and it turned out I had this deep communion with God."

Next, the standard English translation "the Lord's day" uses the possessive noun "Lord's". But in the Greek that's actually an adjective.

But English doesn't have an adjective form of "Lord". Other suggestions I've heard are "imperial day" and "dominical day".

It's not that "Lord's day" is wrong, it's just that it misses an important piece of information for our discussion.

"My holy day" is showing ownership, possession, so it doesn't necessarily relate to the passage in Revelation.

Indeed, given that John isn't using a possessive noun, that could be done on purpose to differentiate it from the Sabbath.

There's more interesting stuff that can be said on the subject, but I don't want this post to get too long. I'll stop here and wait to hear what your reactions are.

Peace be with you!

God promises He is not a God of confusion, I believe Him. God spoke about His holy day, I believe Him. There is no scripture you have provided that says the Lord has claimed the first day as His holy day. He only claimed one day in scripture, the seventh day- all other days God said are working days. Exodus 20:9 that seems like a step down to go from a day God blessed, made holy for Him and for us, sanctified to a day God says to do work. I prefer to go with the clear scripture we do have, instead of going with something that may or may not say this or that, but really doesn't. We will have to agree to disagree.

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, the seventh day of the week from morning to morning is not the correct time for the Sabbath near the Promised Land.

They did not enter from morning to morning in the desert when it was supposed to be 10 hours earlier from evening to evening near the Promised Land.

Yes, the Sabbath in the Promised Land falls from evening to evening, 10 hours before the seventh day of the week from morning to morning in the Promised Land. United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

I'm still not sure I'm following you.

To make things clearer and easier to talk about, for the sake of this discussion let's make 6:00 p.m. the time of evening and 6:00 a.m. the time of morning.

So the thinking is that the Sabbath starts at 6:00 a.m. where Eden currently is, which is on the other side of the world from Jerusalem. So in Jerusalem the Sabbath starts at 6:00 p.m. the night before. (Or is it 6:00 p.m. later that day? Is Jerusalem 12 hours ahead of Eden or 12 hours behind?)

So when Israel was in the wilderness and they were starting the Sabbath at 6:00 a.m. Jerusalem time, they are actually off by 12 hours.

Then when Joshua comes along, they begin starting the Sabbath at 6:00 p.m. Jerusalem time.

Now, are those all things you're saying or did I misconstrue something somewhere?

What I'm confused about is that if Joshua started celebrating the Sabbath at 6:00 p.m. Jerusalem time, that's actually the right time to start it.

Peace be with you, my brother!

 

[Leaf473]

God promises He is not a God of confusion, I believe Him. God spoke about His holy day, I believe Him. There is no scripture you have provided that says the Lord has claimed the first day as His holy day. He only claimed one day in scripture, the seventh day- all other days God said are working days. Exodus 20:9 that seems like a step down to go from a day God blessed, made holy for Him and for us, sanctified to a day God says to do work. I prefer to go with the clear scripture we do have, instead of going with something that may or may not say this or that, but really doesn't. We will have to agree to disagree.

We can definitely agree that we have different interpretations!

Peace be with you, my sister.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

We can definitely agree that we have different interpretations!

Peace be with you, my sister.

Yes we can, but scripture tells us there is only one Truth in scripture. I pray we both worship God in truth and Spirit and follow God's written Word. God bless and take care!

 

[Leaf473]

Yes we can, but scripture tells us there is only one Truth in scripture. I pray we both worship God in truth and Spirit and follow God's written Word. God bless and take care!

I'll say a big amen to that

 

[guevaraj]

I'm still not sure I'm following you. To make things clearer and easier to talk about, for the sake of this discussion let's make 6:00 p.m. the time of evening and 6:00 a.m. the time of morning.

Brother, it is less than 180 degrees. The Sabbath in the Promised Land begins 10 hours before the seventh day of the week and not 12 hours before, making it less than 180 degrees.

So the thinking is that the Sabbath starts at 6:00 a.m. where Eden currently is, which is on the other side of the world from Jerusalem. So in Jerusalem the Sabbath starts at 6:00 p.m. the night before. (Or is it 6:00 p.m. later that day? Is Jerusalem 12 hours ahead of Eden or 12 hours behind?)

The Sabbath in Jerusalem is 10 hours before the seventh day of the week in Jerusalem.

So when Israel was in the wilderness and they were starting the Sabbath at 6:00 a.m. Jerusalem time, they are actually off by 12 hours.

You have the right idea with your simplification. The Sabbath is 10 hours before and not 12 hours before the seventh day of the week in the Jerusalem.

Then when Joshua comes along, they begin starting the Sabbath at 6:00 p.m. Jerusalem time.

With Joshua, they were following God's instructions through Moses as they also did in the desert with Manna, but they ignored, under Joshua, the change of time of the seventh day of the week from morning to morning with Manna, to an evening to evening Sabbath in the Promised Land. God had been telling them for 40 years that the seventh day of the week, from morning to morning, is different from the Sabbath in the Promised Land, from evening to evening. Contrary to God's teaching for 40 years with Manna, they wrongly assumed that the Sabbath from evening to evening was the seventh day of the week, in contradiction with what God taught them for 40 years in the desert with Manna: the seventh day of the week is at a different time from morning to morning than the evening to evening Sabbath they were keeping in the Promised Land.

Now, are those all things you're saying or did I misconstrue something somewhere?

You have assumed that the difference between the Sabbath and the seventh day of the week in the Promised Land is 180 degrees when, in fact, it is less than 180 degrees. The Sabbath is 10 hours before the seventh day of the week in the Promised Land.

What I'm confused about is that if Joshua started celebrating the Sabbath at 6:00 p.m. Jerusalem time, that's actually the right time to start it. Peace be with you, my brother!

They correctly kept the Sabbath under Joshua in the Promised Land from evening to evening. The problem with the Sabbath since Joshua is that they assumed, contrary to what God taught them with Manna, that the Sabbath from evening to evening was the seventh day of the week in the Promised Land, when it is 10 hours before the seventh day of the week from morning to morning.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, it is less than 180 degrees. The Sabbath in the Promised Land begins 10 hours before the seventh day of the week and not 12 hours before, making it less than 180 degrees.

The Sabbath in Jerusalem is 10 hours before the seventh day of the week in Jerusalem.

You have the right idea with your simplification. The Sabbath is 10 hours before and not 12 hours before the seventh day of the week in the Jerusalem.

With Joshua, they were following God's instructions through Moses as they also did in the desert with Manna, but they ignored, under Joshua, the change of time of the seventh day of the week from morning to morning with Manna, to an evening to evening Sabbath in the Promised Land. God had been telling them for 40 years that the seventh day of the week, from morning to morning, is different from the Sabbath in the Promised Land, from evening to evening. Contrary to God's teaching for 40 years with Manna, they wrongly assumed that the Sabbath from evening to evening was the seventh day of the week, in contradiction with what God taught them for 40 years in the desert with Manna: the seventh day of the week is at a different time from morning to morning than the evening to evening Sabbath they were keeping in the Promised Land.

You have assumed that the difference between the Sabbath and the seventh day of the week in the Promised Land is 180 degrees when, in fact, it is less than 180 degrees. The Sabbath is 10 hours before the seventh day of the week in the Promised Land.

They correctly kept the Sabbath under Joshua in the Promised Land from evening to evening. The problem with the Sabbath since Joshua is that they assumed, contrary to what God taught them with Manna, that the Sabbath from evening to evening was the seventh day of the week in the Promised Land, when it is 10 hours before the seventh day of the week from morning to morning.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Okay, so the Sabbath starts at 6:00 a.m. in Eden, which is 8:00 p.m. the night before in Jerusalem.

In the wilderness, the Israelites were starting the Sabbath at 6:00 a.m. and that's the wrong time.

But when the Israelites moved to the Jerusalem area, they switched to 8:00 p.m. the night before, and that's the right time.

Do I have that right?