Is the Lord's Day Saturday according to Acts of John (Apocryphal)?

[LoveGodsWord]

That claim is also made by every separatist faction and cult.

Well thank you. They called Jesus of the devil *John 10:20 in his day and his followers a cult following heresy *Acts of the Apostles 28:22. The many are are not the chosen *Matthew 22:14 according to the scriptures (see post # 1040 linked). Your words only bless us *Matthew 5:11. There is nothing new under the sun the thing that has been is the thing that will be.

 

[Servus]

From Brian...


Let's test your claims and see if they are true or not true. Do these scriptures posted earlier include Christians?

Revelation 12:17 [17], And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

• Who is "the woman" that the dragon (Satan) angry with? *Genesis 3:15; Jeremiah 6:2; 2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:23; Revelation 12:1-2; Revelation 19:7;
  
• Who is the remnant of her seed? *Romans 9:27
  
• Does the scripture say the dragon was making war with her seed or the remnant of her seed *Revelation 12:17?

According to the scriptures, "the woman" is represented as Gods Church and the devil is making war with the few (remnant) of her seed who keep the commandments of God. The remnant of her seed therefore are the few that are chosen.

This agrees with Matthew 22:14 that says the many are called but only the few are chosen (Matthew 22:14) We have looked at Revelation 12:17 showing that the remnant are the remnant of God's Church (the woman). Lets look at the other scriptures from Matthew 7?

Matthew 7:13-14 [13], Enter you in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leads to destruction, and many (most Christians) there be which go in thereat: [14], Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads to life, and few (few Christians) there be that find it.

The above scriptures were posted with Matthew 7:21-23 in mind... So are we talking about Christians here? The scripture context that continues in Matthew 7:21-23 answers this question...

Matthew 7:21-23 [21], Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven. [22], Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? [23], And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

Note: the rest of the chapter context. Who are "the Many" that;

• Go through the wide gate that leads to destruction *Matthew 7:13-14?
• Say Lord Lord have we not prophesied in your name....*Matthew 7:22?
• Jesus says depart from me you who work iniquity *Matthew 7:23?

Amazing how God's Word answers our questions as He guides is with His Spirit don't you think? No need to guess any further or seek to explain away the scriptures with our opinions. Gods' Word speaks for itself and says the many include Christians as posted the first time round.

Take care Carl, Brian

That's someone's piecing parts of scripture together to create a doctrine. A person can piece parts of scripture together to say all sorts of things. What gives a doctrine validity is how well it stands up to overall scrutiny. The doctrine of the Trinity for example stands up to overall scrutiny. Which is why it's accepted by most Christians.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

That's someone's piecing parts of scripture together to create a doctrine. A person can piece parts of scripture together to say all sorts of things. What gives a doctrine validity is how well it stands up to overall scrutiny. The doctrine of the Trinity for example stands up to overall scrutiny. Which is why it's accepted by most Christians.

You can believe what ever you wish as that is between you and God. It is Gods' Word not mine however that says the many that cry Lord Lord are those who profess to be Christian not me. And it is Gods' Word not mine that says that the devil is making war with the remnant of the Church not me. They are God's words not mine that you deny with your words that are not Gods. For me only God's Words are true and we should believe and follow them over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *Matthew 15:3-9. Our opinions do not really matter much in God's eyes. The many are not the chosen according to Jesus. What gives a doctrine validity is scripture nothing more and nothing less and there is no scripture that says Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" just the same as there is no scripture that says Gods' 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection.

Take Care Brian.

 

[Servus]

Well thank you. They called Jesus of the devil *John 10:20 in his day and his followers a cult following heresy *Acts of the Apostles 28:22. The many are are not the chosen *Matthew 22:14 according to the scriptures (see post # 1040 linked). Your words only bless us *Matthew 5:11. There is nothing new under the sun the thing that has been is the thing that will be.

Separatist factions and cults can and probably do say the same thing though.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Separatist factions and cults can and probably do say the same thing though.

As posted earlier they called Jesus of the devil *John 10:20 in his day and his followers a cult following heresy *Acts of the Apostles 28:22. The many are not the chosen according to Jesus in *Matthew 22:14 and according to the scriptures already provided in post # 1040 linked. Your words only bless us *Matthew 5:11. There is nothing new under the sun the thing that has been is the thing that will be. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed according to the scriptures by that time it will be too late for the many that had the chance to see and hear Gods' Word but chose to reject it. Lets pray none of us are in that group.

Take Care Brian.

 

[Servus]

You can believe what ever you wish as that is between you and God.

I believe that which stands the test of orthodoxy. Just as the Bible instructs me 2 Thessalonians 2:15, rather than being swayed by every wind of doctrine Ephesians 4:14

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I believe that which stands the test of orthodoxy. Just as the Bible instructs me, rather than being swayed by every wind of doctrine. Ephesians 4:14

I see. I prefer the scriptures. The "every wind of doctrine" is for those who ignore God's Word and follow the teachings of men over the Word of God that leads them away from God and His Word to follow the many that enter in at the wide gate that leads to destruction. Only the map of God's Word leads us to the narrow gate that only the few will find. Let pray that none of us lose our map that leads us to the narrow way. It is a lamp unto our feet when the road is dark and narrow. If we let our lamp go out how will we find our way in darkness?

 

[Leaf473]

No I was asking you to provide scripture.

Okay, just bare scripture without interpretation.

Perhaps you can shown us from the scripture where it says "Sunday" of the first day of the week is "the Lords day"...

The only scripture that I know of that mentions the Lord's Day is
"ἐγενόμην ἐν πνεύματι ἐν τῇ κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ".

Translation involves some amount of interpretation. If translation is allowed, I would render it as
"I was in the spirit in the dominical day".

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Okay, just bare scripture without interpretation.
The only scripture that I know of that mentions the Lord's Day is
"ἐγενόμην ἐν πνεύματι ἐν τῇ κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ".
Translation involves some amount of interpretation. If translation is allowed, I would render it as
"I was in the spirit in the dominical day".

So all you have provided me here is Revelation 1:10. I asked you to provide the scriptures that say that "the Lords day" is Sunday or the first day of the week. Do you have any?

 

[Servus]

There was someone on a forum who had his own special unique way of interpreting the Bible. He used to make long posts that had many passages of scripture he pieced together. Which didn't stand up to scrutiny among Christians. And his defense to all the objections he got was, that's the same thing the Pharisees said about Jesus and the Apostles.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

There was someone on CF who had his own special unique way of interpreting the Bible. He used to make long posts that had many passages of scripture he pieced together. Which didn't stand up to scrutiny. And his defense to all the objections he got was, that's the same thing the Pharisees said about Jesus and the Apostles.

There is only truth in Gods' Word according to the scriptures *John 17:17; Romans 3:4. Our opinions do not really mean much in Gods' eyes. We can only know the truth of God's Word as God prayerfully guides us through His Spirit *John 7:17 in His Word *John 8:31-36 who God gives to those who obey Him *Acts of the Apostles 5:32.

Good night my time Brian

Take Care.

 

[Servus]

There is only truth in Gods' Word according to the scriptures *John 17:17; Romans 3:4. Our opinions do not really mean much in Gods' eyes. We can only know the truth of God's Word as God prayerfully guides us through His Spirit *John 7:17 in His Word *John 8:31-36 who God gives to those who obey Him *Acts of the Apostles 5:32.

Good night my time Brian

Take Care.

Sadly most everyone who's been taken in by a false scripture based doctrine has been completely sure they were following the only real truth.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Sadly most everyone who's been taken in by a false doctrine has been completely sure they were following the only real truth.

How do you know your not following false doctrine?

 

[Leaf473]

So all you have provided me here is Revelation 1:10. I asked you to provide the scriptures that say that "the Lords day" is Sunday or the first day of the week. Do you have any?

That passage may or may not say that,
it's a matter of interpretation.

 

[Servus]

How do you know your not following false doctrine?

See post 1042

 

[LoveGodsWord]

That passage may or may not say that,
it's a matter of interpretation.

If you know the Greek it does not say that. Let me help you here. There is no scripture anywhere in the bible that says that Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" the only scripture that has reference to the Lords ownership of the day is "the Sabbath day" - Matthew 12:8 and other scriptures from the old testament in reference to "His Holy day" or My Sabbaths.

Take Care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

See post 1042

See post # 1040 linked. The many are not the chosen and you have never proven that sharing scripture together in context is not telling the truth now have you Brian.

 

[Servus]

See post # 1040 linked. The many are not the chosen and you have never proven that sharing scripture together in context is not telling the truth now have you Brian.

The many are mankind. And not many turn to Christ. That's what it's about. Only a latter day manmade doctrine, that most Christians who have have examined it and rejected it, says otherwise. Like I've pointed out before, there's a slew of latter day manmade doctrines some follow and most Christians reject that I can choose from. I might possibly be swayed to join the one that serves the best coffee.

 

[Leaf473]

If you know the Greek it does not say that. Let me help you here. There is no scripture anywhere in the bible that says that Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" the only scripture that has reference to the Lords ownership of the day is "the Sabbath day" - Matthew 12:8 and other scriptures from the old testament in reference to "His Holy day" or My Sabbaths.

Take Care.

Now you've moved into the realm of interpretation.

You see a connection between the passage in
Revelation and the passage in Matthew and other passages. That's your personal interpretation.

You have a personal interpretation, and I have a different personal interpretation,
and there we are.

Peace, my man.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The many are mankind. And not many turn to Christ. That's what it's about. Only a latter day manmade doctrine, that most Christians who have have examined it and rejected it, says otherwise. Like I've pointed out before, there's a slew of latter day manmade doctrines some follow and most Christians reject that I can choose from.

The Sabbath is not man-made, this is God-made, which seems to be what is being rejected:

God spoke and God wrote these words:


Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.