Is the Lord's Day Saturday according to Acts of John (Apocryphal)?

[LoveGodsWord]

No, I don't believe the church is above the scriptures. But it is a great source of interpretation of the scriptures, probably better than individual people in most cases.

And you're right, the body is not disconnected from the head. So when we see the body moving, it seems reasonable that the head has directed it.

And you take care, as well!

Well that is good to know. Perhaps you can shown us from the scripture where it says "Sunday" of the first day of the week is "the Lords day" or that God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus? If you have no scriptures to support these man-made teachings and traditions then how do you think this sits with the warnings given us from the very words of Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9? If the body (those who believe and follow what God's Word says) is not following the head (Gods' Word) then it is not the body of Christ who are all those who believe and follow what Gods' Word says. Your view seems to put the body in charge of the head which is not biblical.

 

[Leaf473]

It is a happy day and the Sabbath is meant to be a delight, bless and sanctify us. Why this would be offensive to anyone who lives on the Sabbath & Law forum or anyone else is beyond me, but we do have free will.

My blessing to you from Numbers
'The LORD bless you, and keep you.
The LORD make his face to shine on you, and be gracious to you.
The LORD lift up his face toward you, and give you peace.'

My blessing to you from 1 Corinthians
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

If a person wants to focus on the scriptures, it's good to focus on scriptural blessings imo.

 

[Leaf473]

Well that is good to know. Perhaps you can shown us from the scripture where it says "Sunday" of the first day of the week is "the Lords day" or that God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus? If you have no scriptures to support these man-made teachings and traditions then how do you think this sits with the warnings given us from the very words of Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9? If the body (those who believe and follow what God's Word says) is not following the head (Gods' Word) then it is not the body of Christ who are all those who believe and follow what Gods' Word says. Your view seems to put the body in charge of the head which is not biblical.

Are you asking me to show you those things using my personal interpretation of the scriptures?

Or do you want me to use the more general approach used by the church throughout the centuries?

I think this word relates
No one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” unless the Holy Spirit is helping them.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Are you asking me to show you those things using my personal interpretation of the scriptures?

Or do you want me to use the more general approach used by the church throughout the centuries?

I think this word relates
No one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” unless the Holy Spirit is helping them.

No I was asking you to provide scripture.

 

[Carl Emerson]

It's like playing Scripture Arcade - you put verses up - he shoots them down...

 

[Carl Emerson]

Here is a good scripture to shoot down...

Heb 7

11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Here is a good scripture to shoot down...
Heb 7 11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

It has never been about shooting down scripture Carl it is about showing what scripture is actually saying and shooting down false interpretations of scripture. So let me ask you what do you think Hebrews 7:11 is saying and let's see if the scriptures are saying what you think they mean?

Take Care Carl

 

[Servus]

Here is a good scripture to shoot down...

Heb 7

11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

For 2000 years most Christians have understood that the writings of Paul and Hebrews (provided Paul didn't write that too) along with Acts 15, makes it clear that the old covenant law for Jews, doesn't apply to new covenant Christians.

For whatever reason a relatively small number decide to go with a doctrine that was created by misapplying scripture which goes against scripture. Most everyone who is very familiar with the new testament is able to see the problem with the doctrine right away. And the more they learn about it, the more they see its flaws. Whereas for whatever reason a minority come to embrace it and tend to view everything scriptural and spiritual through that lense.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

For 2000 years most Christians have understood the that the writings of Paul and Hebrews (provided Paul didn't write that too) along with Acts 15, makes it clear that the old covenant law for Jews, doesn't apply to new covenant Christians. For whatever reason a fringe of Christianity decided to go with a doctrine that was created by misapplying scripture. Most everyone who is very familiar with the new testament is able to see the problem with the doctrine right away. And the more they learn about it, the more they understand its flaws. Whereas for whatever reason a minority come to embrace it and tend to view everything scriptural and spiritual through that lense.

According to the scriptures, the many (most Christians) are called but only the few (few Christians) are chosen (Matthew 22:14) *see also who the many and the few go here...

Matthew 7:13-14 [13], Enter you in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leads to destruction, and many (most Christians) there be which go in thereat: [14], Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads to life, and few (few Christians) there be that find it.

Not a good place for most Christians to end up now it it. God's people have always been a remnant (the few) that the devil makes war with according to the scriptures.

Revelation 12:17 [17], And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant (few Christians) of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

According to the scriptures therefore what most Christians do should not be what we seek to do. What we should seek to do is to believe and follow what Gods' Word says.

Take Care.

 

[Carl Emerson]

It has never been about shooting down scripture Carl it is about showing what scripture is actually saying and shooting down false interpretations of scripture. So let me ask you what do you think Hebrews 7:11 is saying and let's see if the scriptures are saying what you think they mean?

Take Care Carl

So it is about interpretation - not just scripture...

So is your interpretation infallible?

 

[Servus]

The problem with that piece of doctrine is that those verses negate those being talked about as being Christians. So it doesn't make any sense to refer to them as such.

 

[Carl Emerson]

According to the scriptures, the many (most Christians) are called but only the few (few Christians) are chosen (Matthew 22:14) *see also who the many and the few go here...

The personal interpretation of that verse (in brackets) that you make to support your theology does not sit well with me at all.

There are plenty of non-believers that are called but not chosen because the are put off by the cost of following Jesus.

True believers are both called and chosen.

 

[Servus]

So it is about interpretation - not just scripture...

So is your interpretation infallible?

Not just interpretation, but interpretation that's shaped and filtered by and through a particular doctrine someone created.

 

[Servus]

The personal interpretation of that verse (in brackets) that you make to support your theology does not sit well with me at all.

There are plenty of non-believers that are called but not chosen because the are put off by the cost of following Jesus.

True believers are both called and chosen.

Like I said above, what's being said can't be referring to Christians, because it doesn't apply to being a Christian in the first place. Seeing it being about Christians makes as little sense as a sentence that says "Christians who are atheists".

 

[Carl Emerson]

Not just interpretation, but interpretation that's shaped and filtered by and through a particular doctrine someone created.

Yes, but the claim has been made that our friend only presents "God's Word"

 

[Servus]

Yes, but the claim has been made that our friend only presents "God's Word"

That claim is also made by every separatist faction and cult.

 

[Carl Emerson]

That claim is also made by every separatist faction and cult.

Of course...

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Here is a good scripture to shoot down... Heb 7 11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

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LoveGodsWord said: ↑ It has never been about shooting down scripture Carl it is about showing what scripture is actually saying and shooting down false interpretations of scripture. So let me ask you what do you think Hebrews 7:11 is saying and let's see if the scriptures are saying what you think they mean?

Your response here...

So it is about interpretation - not just scripture...So is your interpretation infallible?

God's Word defines itself many people cherry pick scripture out of context to the rest of the bible and build a theology around a single scripture taken out of context and apply a interpretation to it that was never intended because they read into the scripture what it is not saying and not teaching without prayerfully seeking God and asking for His Spirit to guide, lead and teach them. You were the one Carl asking to shoot down scripture in your earlier post. I only responded by saying it has never been about shooting down scripture it is about showing what scripture is actually saying in it's context and shooting down false interpretations of scripture. I then asked you what do you think Hebrews 7:11 is saying because the only thing you highlighted in the single scripture you posted was "there is also a change of the law." I asked you what do you think Hebrews 7:11 is saying so that we can test what you think it is saying by looking at all the context of the single scripture you posted that is pulled from it's context.
I noticed all you did in your last post was to avoid answering the question asked of you by trying to answer a question with a question. You do not have to answer the question asked of you if you do not want to but please do not pretend your posting scripture in Hebrews 7 that says God's 10 commandments have been changed if that is what you are trying to claim here because the scripture says no such thing. If you would like to see why just let me know and lets prayerfully seek God for His guidance and let His Word do the talking for us.

Take Care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Not just interpretation, but interpretation that's shaped and filtered by and through a particular doctrine someone created.

Scripture is my doctrine. What is it you do not believe. Let's bring everything to the light of God's Word and see if it is true or not true as it is written "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are worked in God." (John 3:19-21). We should not be afraid to test what we believe with the scriptures. God's Word is living and speaks for itself. We should not seek to read into it what it does not say and does not teach but simple believe what it teaches.

Take Care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The personal interpretation of that verse (in brackets) that you make to support your theology does not sit well with me at all.

There are plenty of non-believers that are called but not chosen because the are put off by the cost of following Jesus.

True believers are both called and chosen.

From Brian...

Like I said above, what's being said can't be referring to Christians, because it doesn't apply to being a Christian in the first place. Seeing it being about Christians makes as little sense as a sentence that says "Christians who are atheists".

Let's test your claims and see if they are true or not true. Do these scriptures posted earlier include Christians?

Revelation 12:17 [17], And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

• Who is "the woman" that the dragon (Satan) angry with? *Genesis 3:15; Jeremiah 6:2; 2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:23; Revelation 12:1-2; Revelation 19:7;
  
• Who is the remnant of her seed? *Romans 9:27
  
• Does the scripture say the dragon was making war with her seed or the remnant of her seed *Revelation 12:17?

According to the scriptures, "the woman" is represented as Gods Church and the devil is making war with the few (remnant) of her seed who keep the commandments of God. The remnant of her seed therefore are the few that are chosen.

This agrees with Matthew 22:14 that says the many are called but only the few are chosen (Matthew 22:14) We have looked at Revelation 12:17 showing that the remnant are the remnant of God's Church (the woman). Lets look at the other scriptures from Matthew 7?

Matthew 7:13-14 [13], Enter you in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leads to destruction, and many (most Christians) there be which go in thereat: [14], Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads to life, and few (few Christians) there be that find it.

The above scriptures were posted with Matthew 7:21-23 in mind... So are we talking about Christians here? The scripture context that continues in Matthew 7:21-23 answers this question...

Matthew 7:21-23 [21], Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven. [22], Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? [23], And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

Note: the rest of the chapter context. Who are "the Many" that;

• Go through the wide gate that leads to destruction *Matthew 7:13-14?
• Say Lord Lord have we not prophesied in your name....*Matthew 7:22?
• Jesus says depart from me you who work iniquity *Matthew 7:23?

Amazing how God's Word answers our questions as He guides is with His Spirit don't you think? No need to guess any further or seek to explain away the scriptures with our opinions. Gods' Word speaks for itself and says the many include professed Christians as posted the first time round.

Take care Carl, Brian