Is the Lord's Day Saturday according to Acts of John (Apocryphal)?

[SabbathBlessings]

When Jesus died on the Cross He had kept the Law for us.
When the temple veil was rent the curse of the Law was broken.
This removed the consequences of breaking the Law but didnt remove the Law itself.
Christians now walk in the Spirit according to the Law of the Spirit not the Law of Moses. This is a higher Law and much more demanding.
The legal obligation to Moses Law is then removed including the Sabbath.
Believers enter His Sabbath Rest by faith and obedience to His Word within.
He is still resting in His seventh day of creation and invites us today to join with Him in His rest.
This is what it means to trust in the finished work of the Cross.
The Sabbath was made for man - man needed rest.
Our rest is now in Him.
Believers gather to worship on different days - there is no longer legal bondage to a specific day.

I think its important to understand that obedience to God's Word is obedience to God's laws, which includes the Sabbath commandment that God told us to Remember and keep holy Exodus 20:8 which means we should not forget. We do benefit from the blessings God provides when we obey God, not rewriting scripture to benefit one's own lifestyle.

You seem to believe in the other 9 commandments, but not sure why you would want to "remove" the one commandment God told us to "Remember" and uses the word "holy" and "blessed" or are you also advocating we can worship other god, bow to idols, vain God's name, steal, murder, lie, commit adulty and covet too. God wrote this with His finger as a covenant of Ten, Exodus 34:28 and we are told you break one of these commandments you break them all. James 2:10-12

While one might be able to convince themselves why they don't have to follow the written Word of God, we should not lean on our understandings when God's Word is so clear Proverbs 3:5. We are being called now to worship God in Truth and Spirit. We are being called to come out of Babylon and worship the one true God on His terms, not ours.


Revelation 14:6 Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people— 7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.” This is a direct reference to the 4th commandment:

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

8 And another angel followed, saying, “Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”

Sunday keeping is a man-made tradition and man changed the Sabbath commandment of God, not God and was predicted in scripture. Daniel 7:25 and is well-documented in history of this change. We are warned about keeping traditions over the commandments of God by Jesus Matthew 15:3-9 We are told to come out of Babylon and worship the One true God in Truth and worship on the Sabbath day as that is God's will for us. Exodus 20:8-11 Isaiah 66:23 because this is God's holy day that is indisputable. Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13, Mark 2:28 God wrote the Sabbath commandment with His own finger, He spoke it with His own voice, He kept the commandments in the ark of the Covenant in the Most Holy of His Temple, which is also revealed in Heaven Revelation11:19

9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

God's saints keep the commandments of God which of course include the 4th commandment. We cannot fool God with the re-writing of God's scripture to suit our will over the will of God. God personally wrote His will for us with His own finger, and we should not harden our hearts "today" to God's Word.

God bless

 

[eleos1954]

When Jesus died on the Cross He had kept the Law for us.
When the temple veil was rent the curse of the Law was broken.
This removed the consequences of breaking the Law but didnt remove the Law itself.
Christians now walk in the Spirit according to the Law of the Spirit not the Law of Moses. This is a higher Law and much more demanding.
The legal obligation to Moses Law is then removed including the Sabbath.
Believers enter His Sabbath Rest by faith and obedience to His Word within.
He is still resting in His seventh day of creation and invites us today to join with Him in His rest.
This is what it means to trust in the finished work of the Cross.
The Sabbath was made for man - man needed rest.
Our rest is now in Him.
Believers gather to worship on different days - there is no longer legal bondage to a specific day.

This removed the consequences of breaking the Law but didnt remove the Law itself.

so we are free to sin? (sin=transgression of the law) murder, covet, lie, steal etc.

This is a higher Law and much more demanding.

What is the higher law?

What law is in place?

 

[Carl Emerson]

so we are free to sin? (sin=transgression of the law) murder, covet, lie, steal etc.

Absolutely not.

What is the higher law?

What law is in place?

The Law of the Spirit of Life. Rom 8:2

15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

Heb 9
27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

Galatians 3:5
Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith—

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Absolutely not.

The Law of the Spirit of Life. Rom 8:2

15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

Heb 9
27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

Galatians 3:5
Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith—

Then if sin is the transgression of the law *1 John 3:4 or breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments *James 2:10-11 and not believing and following what God' Word says *Romans 14:23 what excuse do we have for not obeying God's 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken? - There is none. There is not one scripture in all of Gods' Word that says Gods' 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus. This is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God's Word to break the commandments of God. Jesus says in Matthew 15:3-9 that if we knowingly follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God. This of course begs the question if we are not worshiping God by breaking God's 4th commandment and following the man-made teaching and tradition of Sunday worship then why are we worshiping?

Take Care Carl.

 

[Carl Emerson]

The Commandment was made for Man, not man for the Commandment.

God knew that man needed to rest - that was why the command was given.

Now we appropriate His rest directly by faith and therefore more than fulfil the need for rest on a particular day. However if one chooses to do so, or not there is no judgement.

Ironically for many the Sabbath keeping is often the busiest day of the week, especially for church leaders. For that reason many rest on the following day.

The sin is not to rest...

The commandment was a shadow of what was to come in Jesus.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The Commandment was made for Man, not man for the Commandment

The scriptures say in Mark 2:27-28 [27], And he said to them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: [28], Therefore the Son of man is Lord (creator) also of the sabbath. According to the scriptures the Sabbath was made for mankind on "the seventh day" of the creation week when God rested on "the seventh day" of the week after he created all things in heaven and earth, He set aside the "seventh day" of the week for all mankind and "blessed" the "seventh day" of the week as a memorial of creation and made "the seventh day" a holy day of rest for all mankind. You can read about it here...

Genesis 2:1-3 [1], Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [2], And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. [3], And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Jesus stating that he made the Sabbath for mankind means that it is a memorial of creation and a celebration of our God who created all things in heaven and earth. The scripture you quote here Carl is only supporting what has been shared with you here and is in disagreement with you. I am not sure why you cannot see this.

Now we appropriate His rest directly by faith and therefore more than fulfil the need for rest on a particular day. However if one chooses to do so, or not there is no judgement.

Where is the scripture for that teaching? Do we have faith by not doing what God's Word asks us to do? According to the scriptures, the purpose of God's 10 commandments is to give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and Psalms 119:172 and according to James 2:10-11 if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin which is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4).

According to the scriptures Gods' 4th commandment is one of Gods' 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken (Romans 3:20) and there is not a single scripture in all of God's Word that says Gods 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day in honor of the resurrection of Jesus. This is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God. Jesus of course says in Matthew 15:3-9 that if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us to break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God. So who should we believe and follow in your view; God or man?

You are quite wrong here Carl but allow me to show why from the scriptures. According to the scripture all those who continue in known unrepentant sin (1 John 3:4) do indeed receive judgement from God (see Hebrews 10:26-27) and God specifically states in God's 4th commandment *Exodus 20:10 of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:3-17) that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7) that Gods' 4th commandment Sabbath is "the seventh day" of the week in reference to Genesis 2:1-3 which also references the Sabbath as "the seventh day" of the week.

Exodus 20:8-11 [8], Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. [9], Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: [10], But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: [11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: why the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and made it a holy day.

[11] references back to...

Genesis 2:1-3 [1], Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [2], And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. [3], And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

So I think God is very specific about what day he is talking about in His 4th commandment. Both Gods' 4th commandment and Genesis 2:1-3 specifically state that "the seventh day" is the Sabbath of the Lord your God - Exodus 20:10.

Ironically for many the Sabbath keeping is often the busiest day of the week, especially for church leaders. For that reason many rest on the following day.

Jesus says it is lawful to do God's work and do good on the Sabbath day (Matthew 12:1-12).

The sin is not to rest...

Yes indeed and the context of not resting is to "the seventh day" which is the Sabbath commandment of the Lord your God - Exodus 20:10; Genesis 2:1-3.

The commandment was a shadow of what was to come in Jesus.

According to the scriptures it is impossible for Gods' 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath of the Lord your God to be a "shadow law" of anything because it points "backwards" as a "memorial" of creation (Remember - Exodus 20:8) and to the "finished work" of creation not "forwards" to things to come. There was no sin when God created the Sabbath for all mankind. Mankind was sinless and there was no "shadow laws" given to mankind pointing to God's plan of salvation because mankind did not sin and did not need saving. You mix up the "shadow sabbaths" of the old covenant feast days with God's eternal law that will be continued to be kept in the new heavens and the new earth (Isaiah 66:22-23).

Take Care Carl - HAPPY SABBATH

 

[Carl Emerson]

Yes, have a great Sabbath...

We have different opinions - I don't judge you. - I hope you can reciprocate.

 

[klutedavid]

The Commandment was made for Man, not man for the Commandment.

God knew that man needed to rest - that was why the command was given.

Now we appropriate His rest directly by faith and therefore more than fulfil the need for rest on a particular day. However if one chooses to do so, or not there is no judgement.

Ironically for many the Sabbath keeping is often the busiest day of the week, especially for church leaders. For that reason many rest on the following day.

The sin is not to rest...

The commandment was a shadow of what was to come in Jesus.

I keep getting the urge to stone sabbath breakers. Yet I have no interest in obeying the sabbath myself. Why is that?

 

[klutedavid]

The scriptures say in Mark 2:27-28 [27], And he said to them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: [28], Therefore the Son of man is Lord (creator) also of the sabbath. According to the scriptures the Sabbath was made for mankind on "the seventh day" of the creation week when God rested on "the seventh day" of the week after he created all things in heaven and earth, He set aside the "seventh day" of the week for all mankind and "blessed" the "seventh day" of the week as a memorial of creation and made "the seventh day" a holy day of rest for all mankind. You can read about it here...

Genesis 2:1-3 [1], Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [2], And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. [3], And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Jesus stating that he made the Sabbath for mankind means that it is a memorial of creation and a celebration of our God who created all things in heaven and earth. The scripture you quote here Carl is only supporting what has been shared with you here and is in disagreement with you. I am not sure why you cannot see this.

Where is the scripture for that teaching? Do we have faith by not doing what God's Word asks us to do? According to the scriptures, the purpose of God's 10 commandments is to give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and Psalms 119:172 and according to James 2:10-11 if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin which is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4).

According to the scriptures Gods' 4th commandment is one of Gods' 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken (Romans 3:20) and there is not a single scripture in all of God's Word that says Gods 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day in honor of the resurrection of Jesus. This is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God. Jesus of course says in Matthew 15:3-9 that if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us to break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God. So who should we believe and follow in your view; God or man?

You are quite wrong here Carl but allow me to show why from the scriptures. According to the scripture all those who continue in known unrepentant sin (1 John 3:4) do indeed receive judgement from God (see Hebrews 10:26-27) and God specifically states in God's 4th commandment *Exodus 20:10 of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:3-17) that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7) that Gods' 4th commandment Sabbath is "the seventh day" of the week in reference to Genesis 2:1-3 which also references the Sabbath as "the seventh day" of the week.

Exodus 20:8-11 [8], Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. [9], Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: [10], But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: [11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: why the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and made it a holy day.

[11] references back to...

Genesis 2:1-3 [1], Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [2], And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. [3], And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

So I think God is very specific about what day he is talking about in His 4th commandment. Both Gods' 4th commandment and Genesis 2:1-3 specifically state that "the seventh day" is the Sabbath of the Lord your God - Exodus 20:10.

Jesus says it is lawful to do God's work and do good on the Sabbath day (Matthew 12:1-12).
Yes indeed and the context of not resting is to "the seventh day" which is the Sabbath commandment of the Lord your God - Exodus 20:10; Genesis 2:1-3.

According to the scriptures it is impossible for Gods' 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath of the Lord your God to be a "shadow law" of anything because it points "backwards" as a "memorial" of creation (Remember - Exodus 20:8) and to the "finished work" of creation not "forwards" to things to come. There was no sin when God created the Sabbath for all mankind. Mankind was sinless and there was no "shadow laws" given to mankind pointing to God's plan of salvation because mankind did not sin and did not need saving. You mix up the "shadow sabbaths" of the old covenant feast days with God's eternal law that will be continued to be kept in the new heavens and the new earth (Isaiah 66:22-23).

Take Care Carl - HAPPY SABBATH

The entire law pointed forward, to it's ultimate fulfillment in our Lord Jesus Christ.

Obviously, the sabbath was a shadow of that future eternal rest from your works.

Jesus worked every sabbath day. Jesus was charged over sabbath breaking.

I encourage you to give all the glory to Jesus Christ from start to finish.

The scripture is the revelation of Jesus from Genesis to Revelation.

1 Corinthians 2:2
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The entire law pointed forward, to it's ultimate fulfillment in our Lord Jesus Christ.

No it doesn't. Your mixing up the Mosaic "shadow laws" from the book of the covenant *Exodus 24:7 with Gods' eternal law spoken and written by God alone in tables of stone that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4.

Obviously, the sabbath was a shadow of that future eternal rest from your works.

Impossible. God's creation Sabbath points "backwards" to the "finished work" of creation *Genesis 2:1-3 as a memorial (Remember the Sabbath day - Exodus 20:8)) of the finished work of creation *Exodus 20:8-11 not "forwards to things to come". There was no sin when God created the Sabbath for all mankind *Mark 2:27, there was no plan of salvation was given to man because there was no sin therefore no "shadow laws" pointing forward to the coming of Christ as Gods' sacrifice for the sins of the world because there was no sin. Perhaps you might consider that your confusing the "shadow sabbaths" in the Feast days linked into the Mosaic "shadow laws" for remission of sin with God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 that was made before sin ever existed which is an eternal law that will be continued in the new heavens and new earth *see Isaiah 66:22-23.

Jesus worked every sabbath day. Jesus was charged over sabbath breaking.

Jesus never broke the Sabbath or he could not be without sin and sinless and Gods' sacrifice for the sins of the world. It is lawful to do God's work and good on the Sabbath *Matthew 12:1-8. Jesus never did his own secular work on the Sabbath.

I encourage you to give all the glory to Jesus Christ from start to finish. The scripture is the revelation of Jesus from Genesis to Revelation.

Agreed all glory to Christ who I love, believe and follow. Amen!

Take Care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I keep getting the urge to stone sabbath breakers. Yet I have no interest in obeying the sabbath myself. Why is that?

According to the scriptures there is lessons for us all in Hebrews 3:8-19 that warn us we should not harden our hearts in sin and unbelief. In times of ignorance God winks at but when God gives us a knowledge or the truth of His Word he calls all men everywhere to believe and follow what Gods' Word says (Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31. If at this stage we choose to reject Gods' Word in order to continue in unbelief and sin God holds us accountable for sin as shown in Hebrews 10:26-31. So we should be carefully seeking God through His Word asking for His Spirit to be our guide and teacher claiming Gods promises (see John 16:13; John 7:17; John 14:26: 1 John 2:27 etc). We should be careful not to harden our hearts in sin and unbelief because if we continue doing this the scriptures tell us we can grieve Gods' Spirit and it will depart from us in Ephesians 4:30 and 1 Thessalonians 5:19 and God will leave us to believe strong delusions and lies *2 Thessalonians 2:11 because we have chosen to reject His Word and continue in sin and unbelief.

Take Care.

 

[Leaf473]

The son of man is lord of the Sabbath.

I take that to mean He is the master of the Sabbath.

The church is the body of Christ.

The church, then, is master of the Sabbath.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The son of man is lord of the Sabbath.

I take that to mean He is the master of the Sabbath.

The church is the body of Christ.

The church, then, is master of the Sabbath.

Christ is the head of the church i.e those in Christ (followers of God’s Word, His saints). Christ is the Lord (Master) of the Sabbath, not the church. The church is followers of Christ, not the other way around.

 

[Leaf473]

Christ is the head of the church i.e those in Christ (followers of God’s Word, His saints). Christ is the Lord (Master) of the Sabbath, not the church. The church is followers of Christ, not the other way around.

The scripture came to my mind

"We were all baptized by one Spirit into one body— Jews and Gentiles, slave and free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink."

Peace be with you!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The scripture came to my mind

"We were all baptized by one Spirit into one body— Jews and Gentiles, slave and free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink."

Peace be with you!

I agree with the scripture, but I don't think it relates to you stating the church is the master of the Sabbath, which there is no such scripture. The Lord sets the standards for His commandments, including the Sabbath, so the Lord is Master of His Sabbath which He said was made for man. Mark 2:27 and man was created on the sixth day Genesis 1:26 before the very first Sabbath. Soon, His people will be worshipping Him in-person on the Sabbath day for all eternity! Isaiah 66:23
God bless!

 

[Carl Emerson]

I keep getting the urge to stone sabbath breakers. Yet I have no interest in obeying the sabbath myself. Why is that?

You need to repent ???

 

[Carl Emerson]

Heb 7
11 Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? 12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.

 

[Carl Emerson]

1. Matthew 5:22
   But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
   
   
2. Matthew 5:28
   But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
   
   
3. Matthew 5:32
   But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
   
   
4. Matthew 5:34
   But I say to you, Do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God,
   
   
5. Matthew 5:39
   But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
   
   
6. Matthew 5:44
   But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

 

[Carl Emerson]

We are now under the Law of the Spirit of Jesus.

 

[klutedavid]

You need to repent ???

Repent of wanting to obey God and stone the transgressors?

Or repent of not obeying the shadow sabbath?