If booster is useless or worse, what is the point of any of this?

[rturner76]

Maybe a nice sugar placebo pill too?

Nope, just the vaccine booster, and flu shot. 87% of the people in the ICU with covid have not been vaccinated. If I do get a breakthrough, I want the best chance to do the least damage. Some people end up with permanent respiratory damage.

 

[miamited]

Hi @power1

They say tens of millions will die of starvation as a result of the lockdowns and etc.

'They' being 'who'? We're now some 1.5 years into it, have tens of millions died of starvation over that period more than those who die of starvation in normal years? Any evidence, such an ugly word, to support that claim that 'they' have made?

Many people died in old age homes unable to visit loved ones.

Yes, that is sad, but true.

We don't know how many died from covid the system for stats is a joke. Nor has any alternative treatments been made available or even allowed. Should those who died because they were not allowed those treatments be weighed in on your death scale?

All of that argument is just noise. We do know, pretty well, how many people have died from covid. This idea that the stats have somehow been manipulated has about as much evidence as Trump's claim that the last election was rampant with fraud. Yes, there were a few notable cases where counts were questionable, but again, nothing of any major import to the totality of death from the illness.

With the known and observed decreasing effectiveness of the vaccines and the changing variants, the idea that vaccines designed for covid 19 may be outdated one day is elementary logic.

That just is not a true statement. The vaccines have proven very, very effective in what they were intended to do. Stop the death and hospitalizations. Pretty much every nation agrees that the vast majority of those dying or needing serious ICU intervention by hospitalization are the unvaccinated. The vaccinated get sick with a day or two of flu like symptoms and then life goes on. Yes, I understand that there are outliers, but I'm speaking in general, majority terms. The vaccines have proven over and over again to be effective at what they were created to do.

I see no difference in whether it was the third, fourth or seventy fifth shot myself. Just more of the same mystery substances injected experimentally into people.

There's really no mystery to it. It's easy to find out 'what' any vaccine is made of, as far as it's components. It may be a mystery to you, because you're not particularly interested in really finding out what's in the vaccines, but it can be known.

At least people could read the ingredients -snake oil- whereas there are all sorts of things in these abortion based research related concoctions that may not be known.

You really have taken the Kool-Aid, haven't you.

God bless and Merry Christmas,
Ted

 

[power1]

Nope, just the vaccine booster, and flu shot. 87% of the people in the ICU with covid have not been vaccinated. If I do get a breakthrough, I want the best chance to do the least damage. Some people end up with permanent respiratory damage.

Guess it depends what news we chose to believe and use.

Other sources seem to indicate the panic is wrong.

"
Most people admitted to hospital with Covid-19 are vaccinated
21 October 2021

What was claimed
About 80-90% of those hospitalised with Covid-19 are unvaccinated.

Our verdict
This used to be true. The figure now is more like 35%.

Most people admitted to hospital with Covid-19 are vaccinated - Full Fact
"Figures from the health minister show 60% of patients in Flemish ICUs are fully vaccinated, 40% are unvaccinated.”
70% of hospitalised Covid patients are vaccinated, but the vaccines are working

Considering the new variant is less severe and there is much less hospitalization, and that millions of people are said to have been injured or killed by the vaccines, you can understand why there is no trust.

 

[power1]

Hi @power1

'They' being 'who'? We're now some 1.5 years into it, have tens of millions died of starvation over that period more than those who die of starvation in normal years? Any evidence, such an ugly word, to support that claim that 'they' have made?

I grabbed a few links for you..
COVID-related hunger could kill more people than the virus | UN Global Compact

Six-fold increase in people suffering famine-like conditions since pandemic began | Oxfam International

"threatened to push 270 million people to the brink of starvation"
WFP Chief warns of grave dangers of economic impact of Coronavirus as millions are pushed further into hunger | World Food Programme

"As many as 161 million more people faced hunger in 2020 compared to the previous year.."
Recipe for disaster: COVID-19 and world hunger - Devpolicy Blog from the Development Policy Centre
Obviously there are thousands of such links.

Yes, that is sad, but true.



All of that argument is just noise. We do know, pretty well, how many people have died from covid.

Prove that the deaths were not just deaths that also happened to have covid listed as a possible contributing factor?

This idea that the stats have somehow been manipulated has about as much evidence as Trump's claim that the last election was rampant with fraud. Yes, there were a few notable cases where counts were questionable, but again, nothing of any major import to the totality of death from the illness.

No question about it the stats are a fraud. In addition there are no good stats on deaths from the vaccine.

That just is not a true statement. The vaccines have proven very, very effective in what they were intended to do.

Except, of course it is absolutely true. Again more links for you. Funny that some people don't seem to look for both sides of the story.
Study shows dramatic decline in effectiveness of all three COVID-19 vaccines over time

"Immunological studies have documented a steady decline of antibody levels among vaccinated individuals2. Long-term follow-up of vaccine trial participants has revealed a growing risk of breakthrough infection3. And health-care records from countries such as Israel, the United Kingdom and elsewhere all show that COVID-19 vaccines are losing their strength, at least when it comes to keeping a lid on transmissible disease."
Immunological studies have documented a steady decline of antibody levels among vaccinated individuals2. Long-term follow-up of vaccine trial participants has revealed a growing risk of breakthrough infection3. And health-care records from countries such as Israel, the United Kingdom and elsewhere all show that COVID-19 vaccines are losing their strength, at least when it comes to keeping a lid on transmissible disease.

"elderly people who got their shots at the beginning of the year seemed to have almost double the risk of severe illness during a July outbreak compared with similar individuals who were immunized more recently"
COVID vaccine immunity is waning — how much does that matter?

Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness drops after 6 months, study shows

There's really no mystery to it. It's easy to find out 'what' any vaccine is made of, as far as it's components. It may be a mystery to you, because you're not particularly interested in really finding out what's in the vaccines, but it can be known.

Then list them?

Pharmacist Shocked To Discover Vaccine Inserts are Blank: ‘I Shouldn’t be Giving These Out’

You really have taken the Kool-Aid, haven't you.

The lockdowns, masks and mandatory vaccines are the kool air. By the way, if vaccines were so effective as promised, why the endless boosters?

 

[Torah Keeper]

Billions are now hoodwinked by this snake oil scam.

Again, $$$$$$$$$$

 

[loveofourlord]

there are two different view points to this like antibiotics our bodies will get use to taking the VAXes so much so we will have no immune system to combat Covid,
yet if we dont have the VAXes we are more likely to get sicker and that more people are in the hospitals

also VAXes aren't 100 % PROOF you are not going to have covid ever again

in some ways it like the flu there are variants because viruses change all the time some being milder or some being stronger cannot always tell what is going to happen every time you take a Vax or any other jab there is risk in either way
but it has to get to a point where enough is enough Lockdowns on lockdowns are only going to make matter worse economical and personal their is no Win Win in this That why trusting Jesus and that doing that whether or not you take the VAXes there are real risk involved

did you even get one thing right? Antibiotics doesn't effect your body, it effects the bacteria IN your body. It has NOTHING to do with your immune system, vaccines will have the same effect as getting the virus will.

 

[loveofourlord]

Guess it depends what news we chose to believe and use.

Other sources seem to indicate the panic is wrong.

"
Most people admitted to hospital with Covid-19 are vaccinated
21 October 2021

What was claimed
About 80-90% of those hospitalised with Covid-19 are unvaccinated.

Our verdict
This used to be true. The figure now is more like 35%.

Most people admitted to hospital with Covid-19 are vaccinated - Full Fact
"Figures from the health minister show 60% of patients in Flemish ICUs are fully vaccinated, 40% are unvaccinated.”
70% of hospitalised Covid patients are vaccinated, but the vaccines are working

Considering the new variant is less severe and there is much less hospitalization, and that millions of people are said to have been injured or killed by the vaccines, you can understand why there is no trust.

well two things, age group is important, the first to be vaccinated are those that are the highest risk to die. Second of all, you have around 90% of the population that is vaccinated, yet they only take up 65% of the hospitalizations. it's still not prefect, but does show vaccines help.

 

[rturner76]

Guess it depends what news we chose to believe and use.

Other sources seem to indicate the panic is wrong.

"
Most people admitted to hospital with Covid-19 are vaccinated
21 October 2021

What was claimed
About 80-90% of those hospitalised with Covid-19 are unvaccinated.

Our verdict
This used to be true. The figure now is more like 35%.

Most people admitted to hospital with Covid-19 are vaccinated - Full Fact
"Figures from the health minister show 60% of patients in Flemish ICUs are fully vaccinated, 40% are unvaccinated.”
70% of hospitalised Covid patients are vaccinated, but the vaccines are working

Considering the new variant is less severe and there is much less hospitalization, and that millions of people are said to have been injured or killed by the vaccines, you can understand why there is no trust.

WHere do you get your "information" from? Do you look for sources that agree with how you already feel or do you look for objective sources?

 

[Taodeching]

Nope, just the vaccine booster, and flu shot. 87% of the people in the ICU with covid have not been vaccinated. If I do get a breakthrough, I want the best chance to do the least damage. Some people end up with permanent respiratory damage.

Most places it is 97 percent unvaccinated are taking up the ICU unnecessarily, for those who can take the shot and refuse they don't care and are very selfish.

 

[power1]

Billions are now hoodwinked by this snake oil scam.

Again, $$$$$$$$$$

I won't dispute that.

 

[power1]

well two things, age group is important, the first to be vaccinated are those that are the highest risk to die.

So?

Second of all, you have around 90% of the population that is vaccinated, yet they only take up 65% of the hospitalizations. it's still not prefect, but does show vaccines help.

Not in stats I have seen in some places. Also the ever changing variants may change everything anyhow.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

The first of many you hope?

As the WHO states, it's because countries focusing on providing booster shots are
diverting resources away from countries that have yet to get the first vaccination shot.

So it's not the booster that doesn't work, but the logistics behind providing the vaccination
to poorer nations.

 

[rturner76]

Most places it is 97 percent unvaccinated are taking up the ICU unnecessarily, for those who can take the shot and refuse they don't care and are very selfish.

My sister couldn't have knee surgery because of the staff being diverted for covid treatment. Some people can't get in for more serious surgeries either.

 

[ThisIsMe123]

Guess it depends what news we chose to believe and use.

Really? What news source are you believing and using?

 

[ThisIsMe123]

As the WHO states, it's because countries focusing on providing booster shots are
diverting resources away from countries that have yet to get the first vaccination shot.

So it's not the booster that doesn't work, but the logistics behind providing the vaccination
to poorer nations.

Right, that's exactly what it means. IN fact, the poorer countries need to be both vaccinated and boosted...we're just out of sync that's all.

 

[power1]

As the WHO states, it's because countries focusing on providing booster shots are
diverting resources away from countries that have yet to get the first vaccination shot.

So it's not the booster that doesn't work, but the logistics behind providing the vaccination
to poorer nations.

Well, if the effectiveness is declining, then even if they did get them, it would be of limited use. That is why all the booster shots. Then there are the numbers of dead and injured from the vaccines. The article I think I linked showed that a doctor assumed something like five million people, and other sources say it is MUCH higher than that did get killed or injured from the shots. (The CDC count was 1 millions but was at least, the doc said 5 times too low. So even with boosters people can get the virus and variants. When much of the world will still have it, that seems to mean they are basically wasting money and time by getting it while ignoring the rest of the world. No?

 

[power1]

Right, that's exactly what it means. IN fact, the poorer countries need to be both vaccinated and boosted...we're just out of sync that's all.

So that renders it all fairly useless then.

 

[power1]

Really? What news source are you believing and using?

I might ask you the same. Should we go with only what twitter does not censor? Let's face it there are wildly different sources out there. CNN and the mainstream news have been shown to be pathetically bias and worthless as far as I am concerned.

 

[power1]

Most places it is 97 percent unvaccinated are taking up the ICU unnecessarily, for those who can take the shot and refuse they don't care and are very selfish.

Yet the opposite seems true in other places. Why is that? Perhaps the stats in some places are better than others.

 

[power1]

WHere do you get your "information" from? Do you look for sources that agree with how you already feel or do you look for objective sources?

The first step is to reject mainstream media. The we can start getting objective and hearing from experts that warn about the situation.