Modern day systemic racism, does it exist?

[rturner76]

What practice still goes on and how is it systemic racism?

Go back and read the other posts where I give an example

 

[IWalkAlone]

Go back and read the other posts where I give an example

A lot of posts. Never mind

 

[rturner76]

That seems a unique definition of systemic.

Have you looked it up yet?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Is a cMcdonalds commercial systemic racism?

I'm just attempting to explain mass media in the 1970s. In furtherance of RDKirk's earlier discussion.

 

[bekkilyn]

The philosopher Chris Rock once asked the white people in his audience how many would like to be him. He noted that none of the white people was willing to be him...even though he was rich.

That's a trick question though because how many of us truly want to be some specific other person along with all of their specific burdens and baggage, rich or otherwise? I can't think of any specific person in this world that I would trade places with and have to completely give up *everything* about me that is me.

 

[Ken-1122]

The systemic part is that it is a hangover from when it was legal. It doesn't have to be a racist law but it includes include racist practices.

Yes it does! If the system has laws forbidding racism, but people go against the system in order to impose their racism, the system is not racist, the people are.

I was mostly just trying to point out how in many areas we are not integrating. There still seems to still be some segregation happening.

To not integrate does not equal systemic racism.

 

[Ken-1122]

In the time period we're talking about, the network execs.

(and/or the advertisers)

This is just a commercial with black actors. This commercial in no way tells anybody what it means to be black.

 

[Ken-1122]

Thats hardly an answer

your question was wrong because I wasn't being hostile or seeking vengeance against you.

 

[IWalkAlone]

Systemic racism is a false narrative used by liberals to gain power and influence. Its really just propaganda.

 

[IWalkAlone]

I think using racism in a false narrative only diminishes the meaning of the word.

 

[Strathos]

Does it sound like systemic racism to you

Again, that depends on how you define the term.

 

[IWalkAlone]

Again, that depends on how you define the term.

You can't say racism is systemic if its caused by individuals instead of the system. That would mean all racism is systemic.

 

[Strathos]

You can't say racism is systemic if its caused by individuals instead of the system. That would mean all racism is systemic.

But how do you define 'the system'? You can define it to include prevalent attitudes, stereotypes, and traditions that are held by a large amount of people, even if they are not technically written down or enforced.

 

[rturner76]

Yes it does! If the system has laws forbidding racism, but people go against the system in order to impose their racism, the system is not racist, the people are.

I think you should go back and study what systemic racism is. I mean really read about it.

 

[Astrid]

I said that more in retaliation to the person who made the unsubstantiated claim that with other races, they believe light is good, dark is bad. True there may be some darker people who want to lighten their skin, but there are just as many white people who want to darken their skin. Systemic Racism has nothing to do with it IMO

So now youve told me what you dont mean, tell me what you do mean.
I made no "unsubstantiated" statement.

 

[Astrid]

Again, that depends on how you define the term.

Terrif. Apply that to any word and youve no language at all.

 

[Ken-1122]

So now youve told me what you dont mean, tell me what you do mean.
I made no "unsubstantiated" statement.

It was more of an attempt of using your logic against you. If I recall correctly, you made the unsubstantiated statement that for Asians dark = bad, light = good. Now obviously you are not speaking for all 3 billion or so Asians worldwide, you are only speaking for yourself and perhaps the tiny percentage of Asians you know. I was using the same logic when I said for white women dark = good and light = bad. Of course I did this after giving examples of white women getting tans, perming their hair, getting lip cologen shots to make their lips larger, getting nose jobs, etc. etc. We both know I am not speaking for all white women, just a few that I know. So I guess it was more of a tit for tat sorta thing.

 

[Ken-1122]

I think you should go back and study what systemic racism is. I mean really read about it.

I've already studied it, and in post #2 I defined in great detail what it is and why what many people call systemic racism is not.

 

[Ken-1122]

But how do you define 'the system'?

A system is an organized collection of parts (or subsystems) integrated to accomplish an overall goal. If there are rules and laws of the system designed to accomplish this over all goal and specific people work against those laws and rules causing malfunction of overall goal, that malfunction is not a systemic problem, it is a specific person problem. Get rid of the sabotaging people and you get rid of the problem.

 

[Astrid]

It was more of an attempt of using your logic against you. If I recall correctly, you made the unsubstantiated statement that for Asians dark = bad, light = good. Now obviously you are not speaking for all 3 billion or so Asians worldwide, you are only speaking for yourself and perhaps the tiny percentage of Asians you know. I was using the same logic when I said for white women dark = good and light = bad. Of course I did this after giving examples of white women getting tans, perming their hair, getting lip cologen shots to make their lips larger, getting nose jobs, etc. etc. We both know I am not speaking for all white women, just a few that I know. So I guess it was more of a tit for tat sorta thing.

It is no tiny percent.
Its not unsubstantiated.
Im pretty sure ive s better idea about Asians than you do.
It seems to me it takes deliberate misreading to think the
" light good / dark bad applies to anyone but those
ive mentioned- such as myself- who try to avoid the sun.


I dont know where you get the notion that "logic"
has any part in what I said, or that Im somehow not
aware that there are other notions among other people.

Sometimes I am a bit cryptic esp when texting on a phone.
I didnt elabourate, it didnt mean i am unaware of subtleties.
Asking instead of retaliating might be as good a practice for you
as avoiding being cryptic is for me.

Deal?