Modern day systemic racism, does it exist?

[IWalkAlone]

Blacks don't commit more crime, they are just enforced more stringently.

No they commit more crime. They have more Gangs too.

 

[IWalkAlone]

And that happens so commonly that it shifts the median?

And how do YOU come to know this about the black people?



That doesn't mean they are getting as good jobs. So far all you've done is dance around possible roles of hiring disparities (racism).



LOL. Not really. You should know that but maybe it's been years since you were in college. It is not affordable anymore. Even white kids from well-off middle class families are struggling to get an education without ensuring MASSIVE crippling debt. And don't even get me started on banking disparities with regards to race. Loans don't grow on trees for all to gather.



Utter nonsense. You have ZERO facts to back that up.



And what, praytell, would those be? I'm curious. I work with a bunch of engineers.



Get back to us when you have some FACTS that you can support.

You don't need college to earn good money. Trades pay well.

 

[IWalkAlone]

In no small part that is due to black immigrants coming to America with more education and more personal wealth.

If a black person is BORN in America that isn't necessarily available to them.

And in the world most of us live in (reality) that start can actually have a HUGE impact on eventual outcome.

Who or what is stopping black kids from getting education? People get college grants all the time.

 

[IWalkAlone]

Studies show that black males doing the same job as white males with the same education, same experience a same location earn .98 on the dollar conspired to white males who earn the dollar. Asians earn more than a dollar.

With the logic used by leftists whites are being discriminated against. There is racial discrimination against white people.

OR there could be other explanations. Which no one want to seem to look into. Bottom line is the disparity is not that large. So that tells me that if blacks would pursue the same careers as whites and Asians they would make pretty darn close to the same amount of money. The difference being very small and not enough to be causing the "huge wage gap" the left lives to point out.

A white electrician earns $1. A Black electrician earns .98. An Asian electrician earns $1.02.

If a white electrician earns $4000 a month the black one earns $3020 and the Asian earns $4080. That's a difference $920 a year.

Very small difference. Which can be attributed to varying factors which certainly can't be attributed to racism, unless you are willing to say there is racism against whites.

Blacks earn 2 cents less? And Asians earn more than whites? Where do I get my race card?

 

[Eftsoon]

Great., "I bet".

It's good to advertise your biases.

But without evidence, it's meaningless.

Now now, what's the point of debating if you can't make unsubstantiated claims?

 

[rambot]

No they commit more crime. They have more Gangs too.

No they don't. They get caught more often because there are more police around.

Crimes get caught where enforcement occurs.

Auto Theft 3.8bil
Burglary 4bil

Wage theft $41 billion
Nobody enforces wage theft. And surprise, so much of that wage theft happens in service industry jobs that minorities INVARIABLY take.

But why try to stop mistreatment of minorities? Who cares if they aren't getting paid what they should be getting paid?

 

[IWalkAlone]

No they don't. They get caught more often because there are more police around.

Crimes get caught where enforcement occurs.

Auto Theft 3.8bil
Burglary 4bil

Wage theft $41 billion
Nobody enforces wage theft. And surprise, so much of that wage theft happens in service industry jobs that minorities INVARIABLY take.

But why try to stop mistreatment of minorities? Who cares if they aren't getting paid what they should be getting paid?

do you have proof? The stats say they commit more crime but say nothing about police presence.

 

[Parmallia]

Lol, here is what you asked for. Now you can rest easy that I'm right.

African-Americans over-represented among low-paying college majors

That in no way explain why the median household income over the last 40 years has been significantly lower than white family median incomes.

It shows how a percentage of people may go for low-paying majors but it certainly doesn't actually explain why the OVERALL MEDIAN household income is lower.

Unless you think the VAST MAJORITY of black people prefer low paying jobs.

 

[Parmallia]

No they don't. They get caught more often because there are more police around.

The concept of "overpolicing", while real and a significant concern doesn't register to folks who think black people are inherently more prone to crime. They will respond with "they live in high crime areas so OF COURSE there's more policing!"

And leave it at that.

 

[Parmallia]

You don't need college to earn good money. Trades pay well.

Indeed! And they should be encouraged in the US!

But that doesn't explain why median black household income is always lower than white median household income.

 

[IWalkAlone]

Indeed! And they should be encouraged in the US!

But that doesn't explain why median black household income is always lower than white median household income.

Why are white and black below Asian americans?

 

[Astrid]

Blacks earn 2 cents less? And Asians earn more than whites? Where do I get my race card?

Psst! Its not race. Its work harder.

 

[IWalkAlone]

Psst! Its not race. Its work harder.

I agree

 

[RDKirk]

Psst! Its not race. Its work harder.

Some of the hardest working people I know and see are at the bottom rungs of wages. Even Jordan Peterson points out that "working hard" is not the answer.

 

[bekkilyn]

We need to get away from there being only *one* factor involved in why some people succeed in various things and others do not. Working hard definitely contributes, but as RDKirk mentioned, it's not *the* answer. Opportunity and even luck play a part as well. For example, I read the book Outliers some years ago (at least I think it's this book) and it included a story of Bill Gates growing up and how he had been fortunate to live in just the right place and at just the right time for certain opportunities, such as having 24 hour access to a computer lab when others at the time would have had no access to a computer, and that provided an opportunity that contributed to his success. Yes, he worked hard, but had he not had that computer access, he most certainly would not have been able to reach the level of success he did.

The author provides statistics of people who have birthdays at certain months of the year end up being more successful in sports due to factors such as cut-off periods and age.

Some have since disagreed with some statistics, but I believe the point is correct in that there are a variety of factors involved. We can't just make it ALL about race (or any other one thing).

 

[Astrid]

Some of the hardest working people I know and see are at the bottom rungs of wages. Even Jordan Peterson points out that "working hard" is not the answer.

Sure! Me too.
There's all sorts of brutally hard jobs.

I sort of thought that " work smart" fit under the
heading of working hard.

And what you work hard at.

In the event, if "working harder" isnt it, how do you
propose to explain the success of Asian Americans?

 

[RDKirk]

In the event, if "working harder" isnt it, how do you
propose to explain the success of Asian Americans?

Culture.

If you read further into the statistics, not all Asian cultures do well; some do distinctly poorly, such as the Hmong.

Of those particular Asian cultures that do well, succeeding generations (that is, as they become more Americanized with less and less influence of their original national cultures) do less well.

 

[Astrid]

Culture.

If you read further into the statistics, not all Asian cultures do well; some do distinctly poorly, such as the Hmong.

Of those particular Asian cultures that do well, succeeding generations (that is, as they become more Americanized with less and less influence of their original national cultures) do less well.

I know all of that.
Now, if its not coz of Asians working harder, what is it?
"Culture" in the abstract does nothing. It has to be acted on.

So what is it!
Luck?
Racism?
Smarter?

 

[bekkilyn]

Sure! Me too.
There's all sorts of brutally hard jobs.

I sort of thought that " work smart" fit under the
heading of working hard.

And what you work hard at.

In the event, if "working harder" isnt it, how do you
propose to explain the success of Asian Americans?

Asian Americans (perhaps Asians in general, but I'm less familiar with the cultural subtleties outside of America) seem very open to taking advantage of the various opportunities that arise and then work hard within those opportunities. Some people don't see the opportunities because they have given up due to "racism" or "sexism", or because they've been told they are smart all of their lives (born that way) and therefore have no need to work for anything, and then are surprised when success doesn't just land in their laps.

I would say that "working hard" fits under the heading of "working smart" because working smart includes hard work when necessary as well as the knowledge of when to stop working, when to quit doing something and move on to something else that's more productive, and looking out for opportunities.

 

[IWalkAlone]

Some of the hardest working people I know and see are at the bottom rungs of wages. Even Jordan Peterson points out that "working hard" is not the answer.

But do they have the education they need to get ahead? Do they save their money or spend it? And you can't make it without hard work.