MARK OF THE BEAST - REVELATION 13-14; 17; 18

[LoveGodsWord]

Revelation provides the timeline framework for the events leading up to Jesus's Return. By which a timeline can be developed by a person willing to do so.

I believe that the timeline looks more like this...

 

[Douggg]

I believe that the timeline looks more like this...

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Where are the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9 that follow the destruction of Gog's army on the SDA chart ?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

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[LoveGodsWord]

This is interesting as it is linking in the anti-typical Feasts....

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Where are the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9 that follow the destruction of Gog's army on the SDA chart ?

Not provided here in the 2300 day/year timeline

 

[Douggg]

There is no Ezekiel in Daniel and Revelation

Ezekiel was a contemporary of Daniel. Part of the end time prophecies were given to Ezekiel and part to Daniel.

The SDA chart, therefore, is incomplete. The Gog/Magog event is a major end times event.

 

[Douggg]

This is interesting as it is linking in the anti-typical Feasts....

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I looked on that chart too, and I couldn't find Ezekiel 39, the destruction of Gog's army of the Gog/Magog event.

When does the Gog/Magog event, and the seven years that follow, take place according to SDA eschatology?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Ezekiel was a contemporary of Daniel. Part of the end time prophecies were given to Ezekiel and part to Daniel. The SDA chart, therefore, is incomplete. The Gog/Magog event is a major end times event.

For me Doug, I see Revelation 20:4-8 and the application of Gog and Magog being after the 1000 years have expired since Christs return. Look at the Greek of Gog G1136 Γώγ Gṓg and Magog G3098 Μαγώγ Magṓg. The meaning of Gog in the Greek is "a symbolic name for some future Antichrist" and Magog "a foreign nation, i.e. (figuratively) an Antichristian party". Context here is to the time after the 2nd resurrection of the dead and all those who are anti-Christian.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Ezekiel was a contemporary of Daniel. Part of the end time prophecies were given to Ezekiel and part to Daniel.

The SDA chart, therefore, is incomplete. The Gog/Magog event is a major end times event.

In a bit more detail to Revelation 20:7-10

At the end of the thousand years of the millennium, Jesus and His people, along with the holy City, the New Jerusalem, descend to the earth. Revelation 21:2. All the wicked who have ever lived are now resurrected in “the resurrection of damnation,” and “Satan” is “loosed out of his prison.” After his long incarceration, he now has all his subjects, the vast multitude of the lost, to tempt, deceive and torment. He then goes out “to deceive the nations” and “to gather them together to battle.” He persuades them that he has resurrected them from the grave by his own power. He convinces them that together they can conquer the New Jerusalem and overthrow God. Now plans are made, instruments of war constructed, and the armies of Satan Surround “The camp of the saints” and “the beloved city.”

Before judgment is executed against the wicked, they are shown the charges for which they are condemned; they agree with the saints and the angels that God’s judgment is just. See vs. 11-13.

Then the sentence is executed. “Fire” comes “down from God out of heaven” to devour the wicked, turning the earth’s surface into a vast “lake of fire.” It burns up “the devil,” “the beast,” “the false prophet” and “whosoever was not found written in the book of life,” vs. 15. Sin and the effects of sin are destroyed, including “death” and “hell” (the grave), vs. 14. In the cleansing flames the wicked are annihilated; this is the second death. “Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power,” vs. 6. The fire that consumed the wicked purifies the earth. Every trace of the curse of sin is swept away. The universe is once again free from sin and rebellion.

God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked (Ezekiel 18:32; 33:11); to Him the destruction of the wicked is a strange act. Isaiah 28:21. God loves and sends blessings upon all, even on those who are evil. John 3:16; Matthew 5:45; Luke 6:35. The wicked have made themselves unfit for Heaven. The purity, peace and harmony of paradise would be a great torture to them. Their destruction is the most merciful thing that God can do for them.

Take Care

 

[Douggg]

For me Doug, I see Revelation 20:4-8 and the application of Gog and Magog being after the 1000 years have expired since Christs return.

What is the official SDA position?

Revelation 20:4-8 cannot be the Ezekiel 38-39 event because in Ezekiel 39:21-29, it is Jesus Himself speaking in the text having returned to earth; and verse's 17-20 is the Armageddon event, 7 years after the destruction of Gog's army.

Ezekiel 39:17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.

18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.

19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.

20 Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.

21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

 

[Douggg]

In a bit more detail to Revelation 20:7-10

At the end of the thousand years of the millennium, Jesus and His people, along with the holy City, the New Jerusalem, descend to the earth. Revelation 21:2. All the wicked who have ever lived are now resurrected in “the resurrection of damnation,” and “Satan” is “loosed out of his prison.” After his long incarceration, he now has all his subjects, the vast multitude of the lost, to tempt, deceive and torment. He then goes out “to deceive the nations” and “to gather them together to battle.” He persuades them that he has resurrected them from the grave by his own power. He convinces them that together they can conquer the New Jerusalem and overthrow God. Now plans are made, instruments of war constructed, and the armies of Satan Surround “The camp of the saints” and “the beloved city.”

Before judgment is executed against the wicked, they are shown the charges for which they are condemned; they agree with the saints and the angels that God’s judgment is just. See vs. 11-13.

Then the sentence is executed. “Fire” comes “down from God out of heaven” to devour the wicked, turning the earth’s surface into a vast “lake of fire.” It burns up “the devil,” “the beast,” “the false prophet” and “whosoever was not found written in the book of life,” vs. 15. Sin and the effects of sin are destroyed, including “death” and “hell” (the grave), vs. 14. In the cleansing flames the wicked are annihilated; this is the second death. “Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power,” vs. 6. The fire that consumed the wicked purifies the earth. Every trace of the curse of sin is swept away. The universe is once again free from sin and rebellion.

God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked (Ezekiel 18:32; 33:11); to Him the destruction of the wicked is a strange act. Isaiah 28:21. God loves and sends blessings upon all, even on those who are evil. John 3:16; Matthew 5:45; Luke 6:35. The wicked have made themselves unfit for Heaven. The purity, peace and harmony of paradise would be a great torture to them. Their destruction is the most merciful thing that God can do for them.

Take Care

Lengthy explanation with no 7 years in it.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Lengthy explanation with no 7 years in it.

There is no seven years in Revelation 20 only the 1000 years as posted earlier the Gog and Magog application is to the wicked and antichrist after the 1000 years have expired since Christs return. Look at the Greek of Gog G1136 Γώγ Gṓg and Magog G3098 Μαγώγ Magṓg. The meaning of Gog in the Greek is "a symbolic name for some future Antichrist" and Magog "a foreign nation, i.e. (figuratively) an Antichristian party". Context here is to the time after the 2nd resurrection of the dead and all those who are anti-Christian. The application of Gog and Magog in symbolic.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Revelation 20:4-8 cannot be the Ezekiel 38-39 event

Exactly. This is my point. Application to Revelation is symbolic of all those who war against the saints and Christ after the 1000 years have expired.

 

[eclipsenow]

You had asked me where the eighth king, the beast, is in Revelation 13

Chapters 12 to 14 are called the "Signs" and the word literally means SYMBOLS!

Here - I've saved it to the start of Chapter 12. Give that 5 minutes or so and it will cover the beast.

 

[Douggg]

There is no seven years in Revelation 20 only the 1000 years

The reference to Gog/Magog in Revelation 20:8 is to the same nations that will have participated in the Ezekiel 38-39 event a thousand years earlier.

There is no 7 years in Revelation 20, because the Ezekiel 38-39 event takes place 7 years before Jesus's return.

The 1260 days, the 1290 days, 1335 days, the 2300 days, the 42 months, the 3 1/2 days , the time/times/half time all fit within that 7 years.

SDA cannot make the 7 years following the destruction of Gog's army fit into their eschatology chart is because SDA makes the monumental mistake of changing days to years.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The reference to Gog/Magog in Revelation 20:8 is to the same nations that will have participated in the Ezekiel 38-39 event a thousand years earlier.

There is no 7 years in Revelation 20, because the Ezekiel 38-39 event takes place 7 years before Jesus's return.

The 1260 days, the 1290 days, 1335 days, the 2300 days, the 42 months, the 3 1/2 days , the time/times/half time all fit within that 7 years.

SDA cannot make the 7 years following the destruction of Gog's army fit into their eschatology chart is because SDA makes the monumental mistake of changing days to years.

Actually no Doug that is not true at all and the your interpretation and application is being read into Revelation 20 which is not there. As there is no application to 7 years at all in Revelation 20 period. The context is to the millennium 1000 years. As posted earlier, look at the Greek of Gog G1136 Γώγ Gṓg and Magog G3098 Μαγώγ Magṓg. The meaning of Gog in the Greek is "a symbolic name for some future Antichrist" and Magog "a foreign nation, i.e. (figuratively) an Antichristian party". Context here is to the time after the 2nd resurrection of the dead and all those who are anti-Christian. Context here is to the time after the 2nd resurrection of the dead and all those who are anti-Christian gather together to war against God's saints and Christ. The application of Gog and Magog here is symbolic. We should be careful not to add to the book of Revelation 20

 

[Douggg]

Actually no Doug that is not true at all and the your interpretation and application is being read into Revelation 20 which is not there. As there is no application to 7 years at all in Revelation 20 period.

Gog and Magog is there in Revelation 20:8, but Revelation 20:8 is not the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38-39.

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

You are the one bringing up Revelation 20 that when I questioned you about the timing of the Gog/Magog event which Gog's army is destroyed, followed by 7 years - you start talking about Revelation 20.

So please don't throw it back in my face the meaning of Gog and Magog in Revelation 20 and also saying the 7 years are not there. I already know that!

As posted earlier, look at the Greek of Gog G1136 Γώγ Gṓg and Magog G3098 Μαγώγ Magṓg. The meaning of Gog in the Greek is "a symbolic name for some future Antichrist" and Magog "a foreign nation, i.e. (figuratively) an Antichristian party".

Says who? Some commentator?

 

[Douggg]

Chapters 12 to 14 are called the "Signs" and the word literally means SYMBOLS!

Here - I've saved it to the start of Chapter 12. Give that 5 minutes or so and it will cover the beast.

I watched about 7 minutes of the video. Are you just parroting in your posts what you hear and see being presented by the creators of that video?

The interpretation of Revelation presented in that video is so grossly wrong, it is amazing. The part of the video I watched made no mention of any of the time frames in Revelation.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsWord wrote: As posted earlier, look at the Greek of Gog G1136 Γώγ Gṓg and Magog G3098 Μαγώγ Magṓg. The meaning of Gog in the Greek is "a symbolic name for some future Antichrist" and Magog "a foreign nation, i.e. (figuratively) an Antichristian party".

Says who? Some commentator?

No Doug the original Greek says this.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Gog and Magog is there in Revelation 20:8, but Revelation 20:8 is not the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38-39. You are the one bringing up Revelation 20 that when I questioned you about the timing of the Gog/Magog event which Gog's army is destroyed, followed by 7 years - you start talking about Revelation 20.

Ezekiel's application to Gog and Magog is not the same as the application of Gog and Magog in Revelation Doug. The application in Revelation is symbolic as shown earlier to all the wicked after the 1000 year millennium who are all anti christian and anti Christ. So there is no application here in the book of Revelation accept a symbolic one to the wicked that are gathered together for war by Satan after the 1000 years where they will finally be destroyed once and for all.