THE RULE OF FAITH AND PRACTICE IS ALWAYS SCRIPTURE "ALONE" 2

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According to the scriptures we receive God's Spirit by believing and following what Gods' Word says.
"faith working through love" > in Galatians 5:6 > faith is not really alone, then, but works by means of love. And I note how at the beginning of certain New Testament epistles, one of the first things is something like "grace and peace to you". We need how God in His grace has us understanding and living His word > it is not enough to believe what we can understand His word to mean; we need how God in us does all He means, by means of His grace.

"we who first trusted in Christ" > in Ephesians 1:12 > so faith is not only believing ideas of God's word, but there is what I say is personal trust, with actual relating with Jesus in submission to Him. And words of the Gospel report are not all there is to it >

"But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him." (1 Corinthians 6:17)

God actually joins a person to Jesus, so the person is "one spirit" with Jesus. This effects the person's character so he or she becomes a new person > 2 Corinthians 5:17.

And there is how a person is turned "from the power of Satan to God" > see Acts 26:18. This is what God does in a person. So, it is not only faith or only the scriptures, but Apostle Paul says >

"by grace you have been saved through faith" > in Ephesians 2:8. And I think grace means God Himself acting in us, here. In sin, we were dead, but God in us changed us by His grace so we are now alive . . . alive in His love >

"And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins," (Ephesians 2:1)

If we have become alive in God's love, this makes us very different than how we used to be.

"Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us." (Romans 5:5)

So, our hope is based not only on faith, but how the Holy Spirit is sharing God's own love with us.

We need faith which works through love, then, I see this means.
 
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"faith working through love" > in Galatians 5:6 > faith is not really alone, then, but works by means of love. And I note how at the beginning of certain New Testament epistles, one of the first things is something like "grace and peace to you". We need how God in His grace has us understanding and living His word > it is not enough to believe what we can understand His word to mean; we need how God in us does all He means, by means of His grace.

"we who first trusted in Christ" > in Ephesians 1:12 > so faith is not only believing ideas of God's word, but there is what I say is personal trust, with actual relating with Jesus in submission to Him. And words of the Gospel report are not all there is to it >

"But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him." (1 Corinthians 6:17)

God actually joins a person to Jesus, so the person is "one spirit" with Jesus. This effects the person's character so he or she becomes a new person > 2 Corinthians 5:17.

And there is how a person is turned "from the power of Satan to God" > see Acts 26:18. This is what God does in a person. So, it is not only faith or only the scriptures, but Apostle Paul says >

"by grace you have been saved through faith" > in Ephesians 2:8. And I think grace means God Himself acting in us, here. In sin, we were dead, but God in us changed us by His grace so we are now alive . . . alive in His love >

"And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins," (Ephesians 2:1)

If we have become alive in God's love, this makes us very different than how we used to be.

Thank you for the lovely words shared comfy. :)
 
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I think you're mistaken about that.
Regardless of some tiny churches or sects, what common church believes that every word in their Bible is inspired and inerrant?

Its even written in prefaces of all standard Bibles, that the work is not perfect or infallible. So it would be pretty weird if some readers of these Bibles believed otherwise.

Also, just the internal comparison of for example synoptic Gospels make such ideas unacceptable.
 
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Regardless of some tiny churches or sects, what common church believes that every word in their Bible is inspired and inerrant?

Its even written in prefaces of all standard Bibles, that the work is not perfect or infallible. So it would be pretty weird if some readers of these Bibles believed otherwise.
Now we're wandering into the waters of "believe what you want to believe." If that is what we should say about the Bible, then that is also what we should say about every manmade religious theory.

No matter which way it is argued, God's word cannot be equaled by something else--because there is nothing more authoritative than God, right? That is the fundamental basis for the teaching we call Sola Scriptura.

And yes, it is known by us all that translation errors have happened with our handling of Scripture, and that the reader has to know which parts are meant literally rather than figuratively, etc. However, if we take all of that into consideration, nothing beats divine revelation for reliability.

And of course, there is absolutely no human-generated alternative that is free of the same 'gray areas' as you holding against Scripture. Yet that is seldom acknowledged by those who say we should follow those systems of guidance rather than that which is acknowledged to be God's word. What sense is there to doing that--take your pick; they're all flawed??
 
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Scripture does not give permission for all things pertaining to life.
And neither Sola Scriptura nor any of its competitors presumes do do that. Scripture is not expected to give the best information on how to repair dents in your car's fender, but that doesn't invalidate what it does convey to us, which in turn is no less than what God intended for us to know and what we turn to Scripture to find out.
 
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And neither Sola Scriptura nor any of its competitors presumes do do that. Scripture is not expected to give the best information on how to repair dents in your car's fender, but that doesn't invalidate what it does convey to us, which in turn is no less than what God intended for us to know and what we turn to Scripture to find out.

Fair enough, but it does put a dent in "whatsoever is not from the written word of God is sin."
 
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Now we're wandering into the waters of "believe what you want to believe." If that is what we should say about the Bible, then that is also what we should say about every manmade religious theory.

No matter which way it is argued, God's word cannot be equaled by something else--because there is nothing more authoritative than God, right? That is the fundamental basis for the teaching we call Sola Scriptura.

And yes, it is known by us all that translation errors have happened with our handling of Scripture, and that the reader has to know which parts are meant literally rather than figuratively, etc. However, if we take all of that into consideration, nothing beats divine revelation for reliability.

And of course, there is absolutely no human-generated alternative that is free of the same 'gray areas' as you holding against Scripture. Yet that is seldom acknowledged by those who say we should follow those systems of guidance rather than that which is acknowledged to be God's word. What sense is there to doing that--take your pick; they're all flawed??
Bible did not fall from heaven, its a work of many people, collectors, editors and translators. I thought its a common knowledge.
 
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Bible did not fall from heaven, its a work of many people, collectors, editors and translators.
I can't agree, and of course neither did the Reformers, so basically what you'd doing is asserting another POV, not discussing the issue we started with.
 
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Scripture & Tradition is better. We need a correct interpretation, not an individual one for everyone led by the Holy Spirit. If two people are led by the Holy Spirit in scripture, how can they disagree on any topic? Take the Sabbath for example. That's a big one on CF. How can to Christians, led by the Holy Spirit believe in two different Sabbaths?
 
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Scripture & Tradition is better. We need a correct interpretation, not an individual one for everyone led by the Holy Spirit. If two people are led by the Holy Spirit in scripture, how can they disagree on any topic? Take the Sabbath for example. That's a big one on CF. How can to Christians, led by the Holy Spirit believe in two different Sabbaths?

There is a different spirit at work, influencing interpretation bias.
 
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I never said that Jesus is not the living Word of God Carl. However Gods' Word whether scripture or spoken is God's Word. You cannot separate God from His Word. Gods' Words are not like our words they are indeed alive and living in those who believe them.

Take Care.

Scripture only becomes God's Word when activated by the Holy Spirit in the reader.

God's Word - Jesus - is vast and living - maintaining the whole universe - He is not confined to a book.

Yes the Scripture is His reference for Truth but it does not contain all His action and activity.
 
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Bible did not fall from heaven, its a work of many people, collectors, editors and translators. I thought its a common knowledge.
Arr dear friend but the bible did come from heaven. That is the point of this OP (see 2 Timothy 3:16) and is given for our admonition and salvation upon who the ends of the world have come.
 
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Scripture only becomes God's Word when activated by the Holy Spirit in the reader.

True, and God's Spirit becomes activated only when we believe what Gods' Word says *John 6:63; John 7:17. Therefore the scriptures are the only rule of faith because faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *Romans 10:17.
 
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Arr dear friend but the bible did come from heaven. That is the point of this OP (see 2 Timothy 3:16) and is given for our admonition and salvation upon who the ends of the world have come.
No. Bible was written by many authors, copied by many hands, copies retrieved by many archeologists, the Greek texts composed from manuscripts by many scholars and the composed Greek texts translated by many translators.

If you want to still believe that every word from this process in your English Bible is perfect, go on. But its of a very low probability.
 
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No. Bible was written by many authors, copied by many hands, copies retrieved by many archeologists, the Greek texts composed from manuscripts by many scholars and the composed Greek texts translated by many translators.

If you want to still believe that every word from this process in your English Bible is perfect, go on. But its of a very low probability.

I see, so for you, your view is that the scriptures in the bible are not God's Word? - If that is the case then how can you have faith if you do not believe God's Word when faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God? *Romans 10:17
 
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I see, so for you, your view is that the scriptures in the bible is not God's Word?
As is the most common view in Christianity, I believe that Bible contains the words of God.
- If that is the case then how can you have faith if you do not believe God's Word when faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God? *Romans 10:17
This verse has nothing to do with reading a specific Bible print. The context is something else. It seems that the more somebody cares about the form, the less he understands the content.
 
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As is the most common view in Christianity, I believe that Bible contains the words of God. This verse has nothing to do with reading a specific Bible print. The context is something else. It seems that the more somebody cares about the form, the less he understands the content.

I prefer what God's Word says; 2 Timothy 3:16 [16], ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN BY INSPIRATION OF GOD, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness
 
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