When was the beast in Rev 17:8 first appeared on the earth?

[pasifika]

Rev 17:8 The beast which you saw, once was, now is Not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not and yet will come..

 

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[pasifika]

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[Thatgirloncfforums]

This is a great question! Idk the answer but I hope you receive a lot of replies!

Rev 17:8 The beast which you saw, once was, now is Not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not and yet will come..

 

[tranquil]

Rev 17:8 The beast which you saw, once was, now is Not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not and yet will come..

The 'abyss' is just a generic term for the 'bottomless' 'sea'/ 'earth' ('sea' in the Hebrew 'tehom' means sea/ abyss).

The dragon with 7 heads & 10 horns attack at Trumpets 1-4 & for the 5 months of the 5th Trumpet. The 'locusts' of the 5th Trumpet are the 'people of the prince to come' in Daniel 9:26 and is the 'locust' army sent to plunder 'Israel' in Joel.

The beast gets its mortal head wound and the false prophet says to worship the living image at the 6th Trumpet. This starts the 1260 days of the beast from the sea & earth from Rev 13, but this 'great tribulation' that kills 1/3 of humanity does not last 1260 days, as this is shortened to Revelation 9:15's 'hour, day, month, year' - same amount of time referenced in Daniel 7:12 : 'a season and a time'. Daniel 7 lists off the lion, bear, leopard, 4th dreadful beast - it gets killed and the 'lion, bear, & leopard' are 'given an extension of life' for a 'season and a time'. Same thing going on in Revelation 13's beast from the sea. See Daniel 7:25-26

25He shall speak words against the Most High,
and shall wear out the saints of the Most High,
and shall think to change the times and the law;
and they shall be given into his hand
for a time, times, and half a time.
26But the court shall sit in judgment,
and his dominion shall be taken away,
to be consumed and destroyed to the end.
27And the kingdom and the dominion
and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven
shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High;
his kingdom shall be an everlasting kingdom,
and all dominions shall serve and obey him.’​

The 'time, times, half time' is the same as the '42 months' allotted in Revelation 13 to the beast from the sea, but it is shortened to a 'season & a time'

12As for the rest of the beasts, their dominion was taken away, but their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.
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See Matthew 24:21-22.

So to recap, the dragon starts at the Trumpets, then 5 months later, the beast is allotted 1260 days (at the 6th Trumpet), but this is shortened to a 'season & a time'. Let's say that it is 390 days (same as the siege of Jerusalem in Ezekiel). This gives us a gap of time (1260-390=870) of, for example, 870 days. At the end of the 1260 days, the beast rises again to attack the 2 witnesses (it is breaking the covenant in the 'middle of the 7 years'). When people worship with the harlot at this particular time, at Revelation 17, at the 7th Trumpet, at the end of the 2 witnesses 1260 days, that is when the beast comes up 'again', having 1st come up at the 1st Trumpet (but technically, the beast from the sea & earth come at the 6th Trumpet).

 

[Douggg]

Rev 17:8 The beast which you saw, once was, now is Not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction.

The beast in Revelation 17:8 a first appeared in the garden of eden - the serpent beast used by Satan to get man to fall into sin. The serpent used deception and implied that Adam and Eve could become gods. Which will fall into line with claim of the beast.

The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not and yet will come.

The beast in Revelation 17:8b is end times person, who will be killed (as witnessed by the people of the world at that time) and comes back to life, possessed by the spirit of the serpent.

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[Spiritual Jew]

In the garden of eden - the serpent beast used by Satan to get man to fall into sin.

What is this about some serpent beast used by Satan? What does that even mean? The serpent IS Satan, not some serpent beast used by Satan.

Revelation 12:9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

Revelation 20:2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

The end times person, who will be killed (as witnessed by the people of the world at that time) and comes back to life, possessed by the spirit of the serpent.

How exactly would this end times person be resurrected from the dead? Only God can resurrect the dead. And what is this "spirit of the serpent" that you're talking about exactly?

 

[Douggg]

What is this about some serpent beast used by Satan? What does that even mean? The serpent IS Satan, not some serpent beast used by Satan.

In Genesis, it is talking about both Satan and the serpent beast who Satan was working through. Just as Satan will work through the end times person who becomes the beast.


1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
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14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: [the literal serpent beast]

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. [about Satan and his seed and Jesus the seed of the woman]

 

[Douggg]

How exactly would this end times person be resurrected from the dead? Only God can resurrect the dead. And what is this "spirit of the serpent" that you're talking about exactly?

Yes, I agree only God can resurrect, revive, the dead. In Isaiah 14:19-20 the person's soul is not allowed to remain in hell, because of God's disdain for the person, a Jew who sells out to Satan. His soul will be in hell, but his body not yet buried - which I show him in a casket in my illustration for that reason.

The "craft" in Daniel 8 that the person will be into is Kabbalah, which will be the person's initial connection with Satan.


19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

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Daniel 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power [he gets help from Satan] : and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart [he will think he has achieved God-hood] , and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

 

[Thatgirloncfforums]

I never thought about the serpent being a beast. Interesting.

The beast in Revelation 17:8 a first appeared in the garden of eden - the serpent beast used by Satan to get man to fall into sin. The serpent used deception and implied that Adam and Eve could become gods. Which will fall into line with claim of the beast.

The beast in Revelation 17:8b is end times person, who will be killed (as witnessed by the people of the world at that time) and comes back to life, possessed by the spirit of the serpent.


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[Thatgirloncfforums]

Is the beast and false prophet collectively considered the antiChrist or is the antiChrist only one or the other?

Yes, I agree only God can resurrect, revive, the dead. In Isaiah 14:19-20 the person's soul is not allowed to remain in hell, because of God's disdain for the person, a Jew who sells out to Satan. His soul will be in hell, but his body not yet buried - which I show him in a casket in my illustration for that reason.

The "craft" in Daniel 8 that the person will be into is Kabbalah, which will be the person's initial connection with Satan.


19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

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Daniel 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart [he will think he has achieved God-hood] , and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

In Genesis, it is talking about both Satan and the serpent beast who Satan was working through. his seed and Jesus the seed of the woman]

Okay, just ignore the scripture which says that Satan IS the serpent then.

 

[Douggg]

And what is this "spirit of the serpent" that you're talking about exactly?

The spirit of the serpent is the spirit of the disembodied original serpent which is now in the bottomless pit.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Yes, I agree only God can resurrect, revive, the dead. In Isaiah 14:19-20 the person's soul is not allowed to remain in hell, because of God's disdain for the person, a Jew who sells out to Satan. His soul will be in hell, but his body not yet buried - which I show him in a casket in my illustration for that reason.

The "craft" in Daniel 8 that the person will be into is Kabbalah, which will be the person's initial connection with Satan.


19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

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My comments in brackets.


Daniel 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power [he gets help from Satan] : and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart [he will think he has achieved God-hood] , and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

This is so unbelievably farfetched. Again, only God can resurrect the dead and there's no reason to think that God would resurrect this end-times person that you believe in. Your belief is utter nonsense. You continually take scripture out of context to come up with this imaginary scenario that will never happen.

 

[Thatgirloncfforums]

The spirit of the serpent is the spirit of the disembodied original serpent which is now in the bottomless pit.

I thought that the original Serpent was an angel?

 

[Spiritual Jew]

The spirit of the serpent is the spirit of the disembodied original serpent which is now in the bottomless pit.

Glad you agree that Satan is currently in the bottomless pit!

Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

I thought that the original Serpent was an angel?

It was Satan. We need to get our information from scripture.

Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years

 

[Thatgirloncfforums]

Revelation does say that he will come back to life, right?

If God permits, the angels can possibly manipulate our bodies, since they saw how we were created (possibly). It wouldn't be a real resurrection, unlike Christ's. More of an animation.

This is so unbelievably farfetched. Again, only God can resurrect the dead and there's no reason to think that God would resurrect this end-times person that you believe in. Your belief is utter nonsense. You continually take scripture out of context to come up with this imaginary scenario that will never happen.

 

[Douggg]

Is the beast and false prophet collectively considered the antiChrist or is the antiChrist only one or the other?

The little horn, the prince who shall come, the Antichrist, the revealed man of sin, the beast - is all one person, at different times in his life.

It is a progression (not in a good way).

first as the little horn - leader of the EU.
then following Gog/Magog - as the prince who shall come.
then he is anointed the King of Israel - to become the Antichrist.
then he reveals himself as the man of sin - ending his time as the Antichrist.
then he is killed and brought back to life as the beast - dictator of the EU, his kingdom, and that of the ten kings of Revelation 17:17.
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The person, you are calling the Antichrist, is a separate person from the false prophet.

The Antichrist person will come out of the nations, specifically the EU.

Differently, the false prophet will come out if Israel (and will for a while, will be thought by the Jews to be the prophet Elijah).

 

[Thatgirloncfforums]

Ok. Yes. Satan was an angel.

It was Satan. We need to get our information from scripture.

Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years