Daniel 9:

[Timtofly]

"the people of the prince who shall come shall destroy the city and sanctuary"

Are you saying that because "Romans" is not directly spelled out in the text, as your reason for disagreement?

History is plain that is was the Romans who destroyed destroyed the city and sanctuary.

The Romans would have left well enough alone. The rebel leaders were killing themselves and destroying the city, way before Rome came. The Messiah the Prince is Jesus. Jesus came once as the Messiah. Next He will come as the Prince. Verse 27 is a future event and not even 7 years. It is the week of the sounding of the 7th Trumpet. See Revelation 10:7. The days of the sound of the 7th Trumpet is the final week of time of the final harvest where Jesus the Prince along with the angels have already been on earth gathering the final harvest. The 7th Trumpet is the confirmation of the Atonement of the Cross. It is the point where all nations are now brought under subjection. All who will be saved to enter the Millennium Kingdom are accounted for. Unless there are the gleanings. The gleanings are those who refuse the mark, by getting their head chopped off. If none of those humans are left, the week will not be split in half. The 7th Trumpet will end at the winepress of Revelation 14. Daniel's 70 weeks fulfilled. The Millennium will start with those promises made in Daniel 9. If some are left to reject the mark, then verse 27 will happen, to allow the 42 months given to Satan and the 3.5 years of utter desolation. Then many will be saved by getting their heads chopped off. After Armageddon they are resurrected.

Daniel 9 is not about the Romans nor 70AD. It is about the 483 years, Messiah, and then the Prince at the Second Coming. Christ will be on earth to finish the last half of the 70th week in person, with His angels. That last half of the 70th week is getting shorter and shorter, as Jesus claimed.

 

[jgr]

The person who becomes the Antichrist will be descended from the Julio-Claudians, Revelation 17:10. And will also be a Jew.

To become the Antichrist, the person has to be anointed the King of Israel - coming in his own name. Not coming in the name of the Lord.

Messiah the Prince was not antichrist.

 

[Douggg]

Verse 27 is a future event and not even 7 years. It is the week of the sounding of the 7th Trumpet.

Not 7 years? Tim, the weeks in Daniel 9 are 7 years each.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[Douggg]

Messiah the Prince was not Antichrist.

Messiah the Prince in v25 is Jesus, not the Antichrist.

The prince who shall come in v26 will be the Antichrist, not Jesus.

 

[jgr]

Messiah the Prince in v25 is Jesus, not the Antichrist.

The prince who shall come in v26 will be the Antichrist, not Jesus.

There is only one Individual identified as a prince in Daniel 9.

He is Messiah.

The grammatical antecedent of "prince" in verse 26 is "Messiah the Prince" in verse 25.

There is no antichrist in Daniel 9. There is only Messiah, the Christ.

The word "antichrist" does not exist in ancient Hebrew.

 

[Douggg]

The grammatical antecedent of "prince" in verse 26 is "Messiah the Prince" in verse 25.

No, it is not. The messiah cutoff is, but not the prince who shall come.

The prince who shall come is from the people who destroyed the temple and city - the Romans.

To be the Messiah the Prince (Christ), is to be the King of Israel. The Jews rejected Jesus as their King of Israel, and Jesus was cutoff in v26. Jesus came in the name of the Lord, but they rejected Him.

The term Antichrist, is a English version of the Greek word for Antichrist... made up of two components "Anti" and "Christ".

Christ, an English version of the Greek word Christos, means messiah. "The" messiah in Jewish background is the promised great King of Israel descended from David to lead Israel and the world into the messianic age of peace and safety.

 

[Douggg]

Daniel 9 is not about the Romans nor 70AD. It is about the 483 years, Messiah, and then the Prince at the Second Coming.

Tim, the 70 weeks are determined upon Daniel's people and Jerusalem.

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

The prince who shall come in v26, "the prince" is not referring to Jesus, nor is "the shall come" referring to the Second Coming of Jesus.

The prince who shall come in v26 will be descended of the Romans.

 

[jgr]

No, it is not. The messiah cutoff is, but not the prince who shall come.

It is. Check your English primer.

The prince who shall come is from the people who destroyed the temple and city - the Romans.

He is Messiah who came from Heaven.

To be the Messiah the Prince (Christ), is to be the King of Israel. The Jews rejected Jesus as their King of Israel, and Jesus was cutoff in v26. Jesus came in the name of the Lord, but they rejected Him.

That didn't stop Him from confirming His New Covenant.

The term Antichrist, is a English version of the Greek word for Antichrist... made up of two components "Anti" and "Christ".

Not in OT Hebrew.

Christ, an English version of the Greek word Christos, means messiah. "The" messiah in Jewish background is the promised great King of Israel descended from David to lead Israel and the world into the messianic age of peace and safety.

Not in Christian foreground. His Messianic Age began at Calvary.

 

[Douggg]

It is. Check your English primer.

You check yours. I made all "A" s in English.

 

[jgr]

You check yours. I made all "A" s in English.

So did I.

 

[Douggg]

Not in Christian foreground. His Messianic Age began at Calvary

The messianic age does not begin until Jesus returns and the 1000 years millennium begins - which will be God's Sabbath day of rest for humanity.

 

[jgr]

The messianic age does not begin until Jesus returns and the 1000 years millennium begins - which will be God's Sabbath day of rest for humanity.

Mine began at Calvary.

 

[Douggg]

So did I.

Then you would know that the colon in v26 is a hard divide in the compound complex sentence.

And that a new person is introduced into the sentence as the prince who shall come from the people (which is historically proven to be the Romans) who destroy the city and sanctuary.

 

[Douggg]

Mine began at Calvary.

That's not the messianic age in the bible, when the wolf will lay down with the lamb, and men will have long lifes, and the nations will beat their swords into plowshares.

 

[jgr]

Then you would know that the colon in v26 is a hard divide in the compound complex sentence.

And that a new person is introduced into the sentence as the prince who shall come from the people (which is historically proven to be the Romans) who destroy the city and sanctuary.

There's no colon in the original 1611 KJV.

26 And after threescore and two weekes, shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himselfe, and the people of the Prince that shall come, shall destroy the citie, and the Sanctuarie, and the ende thereof shall be with a flood, and vnto the ende of the warre desolations are determined.26

And there's no "new person". It's the identical Hebrew "nagid" in both instances.

And the prince Messiah came from heaven.

And the Romans and Jews destroyed the city and sanctuary.

 

[jgr]

That's not the messianic age in the bible, when the wolf will lay down with the lamb, and men will have long lifes, and the nations will beat their swords into plowshares.

I live in the NT Messianic Age.

You can live in whatever you choose.

Does your English primer define "lifes"?

 

[Douggg]

There's no colon in the original 1611 KJV.

26 And after threescore and two weekes, shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himselfe, and the people of the Prince that shall come, shall destroy the citie, and the Sanctuarie, and the ende thereof shall be with a flood, and vnto the ende of the warre desolations are determined.26

And there's no "new person". It's the identical Hebrew "nagid" in both instances.

And the prince Messiah came from heaven.

And the Romans and Jews destroyed the city and sanctuary.

Here is the Hebrew to English translation of that verse from the online Tanach at Chabag.

26And after the sixty-two weeks, the anointed one will be cut off, and he will be no more, and the people of the coming monarch will destroy the city and the Sanctuary, and his end will come about by inundation, and until the end of the war, it will be cut off into desolation

The coming monarch is not Jesus, but the little horn person coming from the EU, as the leader of the EU, who will become the Antichrist.

 

[Douggg]

I live in the NT Messianic Age.

You can live in whatever you choose.

Does your English primer define "lifes"?

You, and everyone else on the planet, is living in a world that has been in a non messianic age ever since the fall in the garden.

During the messianic age, things will be different for the world.

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What you should be saying is that as a Christian you are living under God's grace and mercy.

 

[jgr]

Here is the Hebrew to English translation of that verse from the online Tanach at Chabag.

26And after the sixty-two weeks, the anointed one will be cut off, and he will be no more, and the people of the coming monarch will destroy the city and the Sanctuary, and his end will come about by inundation, and until the end of the war, it will be cut off into desolation

The coming monarch is not Jesus, but the little horn person coming from the EU, as the leader of the EU, who will become the Antichrist.

Here is the Christian YLT translation:

25 And thou dost know, and dost consider wisely, from the going forth of the word to restore and to build Jerusalem till Messiah the Leader [is] seven weeks, and sixty and two weeks: the broad place hath been built again, and the rampart, even in the distress of the times.

26 And after the sixty and two weeks, cut off is Messiah, and the city and the holy place are not his, the Leader who hath come doth destroy the people; and its end [is] with a flood, and till the end [is] war, determined [are] desolations.

The Leader is Messiah the Christ who came 2,000 years ago.

 

[Douggg]

Here is the Christian YLT translation:

25 And thou dost know, and dost consider wisely, from the going forth of the word to restore and to build Jerusalem till Messiah the Leader [is] seven weeks, and sixty and two weeks: the broad place hath been built again, and the rampart, even in the distress of the times.

26 And after the sixty and two weeks, cut off is Messiah, and the city and the holy place are not his, the Leader who hath come doth destroy the people; and its end [is] with a flood, and till the end [is] war, determined [are] desolations.

The Leader is Messiah the Christ who came 2,000 years ago.

The messiah is cutoff. The prince who shall come is after the messiah is cutoff.