Why are we vaccinating children against COVID-19?

[stevil]

Right we should stick to what we know, such as that abortion was a part of this treatment, in that it provided a basis.

I'm shocked. This preventative vaccine was produced in record time under Trump's guidance. I thought Trump was anti abortion.

 

[power1]

The vaccine isn't a treatment for a disease, it is a prevention. Like the difference between a seat belt vs a plaster.

The Covid vaccine isn't experimental, it has been FDA approved.

The usual type of times involved for a vaccine were bypassed.

If you want to wait years to see what the results of the Vaccine are, how many people in the mean time are going to die of Covid?

Well, since alternative tested treatments are being suppressed and discouraged, we might ask how many people may die in the future from the shots? There are already many thousands dead. There are many more very ill from it. The stats are not available far as I can tell as to the actual numbers.

What are the long term effects on people who get infected with Covid? How does that stack up with the long term effects of people that get the vaccine?

When a company does a test using volunteers that is one thing. When people lose their right to meet, shop, travel, work, care for their families, etc..that is another matter.

 

[power1]

I'm shocked. This preventative vaccine was produced in record time under Trump's guidance. I thought Trump was anti abortion.

Good point. He still promotes it.

 

[stevil]

The usual type of times involved for a vaccine were bypassed.

I actually don't know what operation warpspeed did.

Well, since alternative tested treatments are being suppressed and discouraged,

We all should be concerned about evidence supporting medicines be it vaccination or treatments of illnesses.
For Ivermectin, HCQ, bleach, light, and various other treatments promoted by 45 and Foxnews opinion show hosts, these are either unsupported by evidence, or evidence has shown that these are not effective against Covid 19.
I am yet to see an effective treatment that is being suppressed or discouraged.

we might ask how many people may die in the future from the shots? There are already many thousands dead. There are many more very ill from it. The stats are not available far as I can tell as to the actual numbers.

4.92 Million people have died worldwide from Covid, 732K deaths in USA alone. How does that compare to deaths from the vaccine?

243 Million people worldwide have been known to have caught the disease and 4.92 million have died (2.02%)
3.77 Billion people worldwide have had at least 1 Covid vaccination

 

[power1]

I actually don't know what operation warpspeed did.



We all should be concerned about evidence supporting medicines be it vaccination or treatments of illnesses.
For Ivermectin, HCQ, bleach, light, and various other treatments promoted by 45 and Foxnews opinion show hosts, these are either unsupported by evidence, or evidence has shown that these are not effective against Covid 19.
I am yet to see an effective treatment that is being suppressed or discouraged.

Sometimes what we find depends on what we were looking for.

4.92 Million people have died worldwide from Covid, 732K deaths in USA alone. How does that compare to deaths from the vaccine?

Right, and cancers, flu and etc all miraculously drop at the same time. Amazing. Then there is the issue of what is reported as a covid death. Say, you interested in a nice bridge for sale cheap?

 

[loveofourlord]

The usual type of times involved for a vaccine were bypassed.

Well, since alternative tested treatments are being suppressed and discouraged, we might ask how many people may die in the future from the shots? There are already many thousands dead. There are many more very ill from it. The stats are not available far as I can tell as to the actual numbers.


When a company does a test using volunteers that is one thing. When people lose their right to meet, shop, travel, work, care for their families, etc..that is another matter.

Actualy the time for vaccines was the same, just all the red tape and things that slow down the process were removed. And this isn't some super unknown vaccine, it's been in the works and tested for ages, this was just the first time we had a reason to do it this way, and the needing of a vaccine fast, helped.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

The vaccine isn't a treatment for a disease, it is a prevention. Like the difference between a seat belt vs a plaster.

The Covid vaccine isn't experimental, it has been FDA approved.

If you want to wait years to see what the results of the Vaccine are, how many people in the mean time are going to die of Covid? The death rate is 1-3% depending on where you live.
There are 7.7 billion people in the world. 1-3% of that is 77 million to 231 million, should we wait for all these people to die first before we take up this vaccine?
What are the long term effects on people who get infected with Covid? How does that stack up with the long term effects of people that get the vaccine?

Actually "Comirnaty" - which is not yet in production because of ongoing trials - is FDA approved.

All current product on the market is still under the extended EUA from August. It's been posted several times in these posts.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Exactly. Rightly dividing. Not assuming unknown facts.

Exactly - not assuming politically-motivated propaganda and conspiracy theories but instead heeding the Word of God, such as Romans 13.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

I see. So nothing specific, just general advice to look to His word. I agree.

I don't know what to tell you if you don't understand what "study to shew thyself approved" means. Scientists study, and most people study the science. The science tells us that vaccinations are our best way out of Covid with the least sickness and loss of life. Those who go against that science have obviously not studied. The government is God's minister to us for good - those who refuse to submit bring unto themselves damnation, we know this directly from God's Word.

I don't know how it could be any clearer.

 

[power1]

I don't know what to tell you if you don't understand what "study to shew thyself approved" means. Scientists study, and most people study the science. The science tells us that vaccinations are our best way out of Covid with the least sickness and loss of life. Those who go against that science have obviously not studied. The government is God's minister to us for good - those who refuse to submit bring unto themselves damnation, we know this directly from God's Word.

I don't know how it could be any clearer.

So by study you mean that you claim the bible supports the abortion related little mark of the beast precursor. OK. There are many science and medical folks that say it is anything but the best was as well.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

So by study you mean that you claim the bible supports the abortion related little mark of the beast precursor.

I don't know what the bolded part above means. Sounds like a whopper of a conspiracy theory, though.

OK. There are many science and medical folks that say it is anything but the best was as well.

There are many, many, many more science and medical folks that say it is the best way. Also, the government supports vaccination of the majority of the vast population for the purpose of the safety of the general public. Considering that Romans 13 tells us to subject ourselves to earthly governmental authority I will continue to follow God's Word on that.

 

[power1]

I don't know what the bolded part above means. Sounds like a whopper of a conspiracy theory, though.

Not surprised it rings no bells for you.

There are many, many, many more science and medical folks that say it is the best way.

And many that quit because they were not able to say the truth.

Also, the government supports vaccination of the majority of the vast population for the purpose of the safety of the general public.

Says they. Like I trust leaders that are known liars and baby killer advocates?

Considering that Romans 13 tells us to subject ourselves to earthly governmental authority I will continue to follow God's Word on that.

You have an opinion and choice. Long as you stop couching it as bible.

 

[KCfromNC]

Right, and cancers, flu and etc all miraculously drop at the same time.

Cancer deaths have been steadily declining for a generation or more. Nothing miraculous about it, just medical science getting better at their jobs.
And there's a pretty obvious reason why flu cases were a lot lower in 2020.

 

[Mayzoo]

Cancer deaths have been steadily declining for a generation or more. Nothing miraculous about it, just medical science getting better at their jobs.
And there's a pretty obvious reason why flu cases were a lot lower in 2020.

It should be obvious why flu cases dropped last year, but apparently, it is not as many cannot grasp why.

 

[Lost4words]

No need to vaccinate children.

Today, i saw a mobile vaccine unit with people queuing up to get the shot!

World gone bonkers!!

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Not surprised it rings no bells for you.

I'm not surprised either since I'm a Christian and I believe God's Word rather than radical right-wing conspiracy theories.

And many that quit because they were not able to say the truth.

Not true at all. Not one person has quit or lost their job "because they were not able to say the truth". There were a few, a small minority, however, who did quit (or more likely were fired in reality) for spreading lies, pseudo-science, misinformation, and political propaganda rather than going with actual medical science.

Says they. Like I trust leaders that are known liars and baby killer advocates?

So you don't trust God 's Word when He tells us hat our leaders are ministers to us for good? Why do you disagree with Romans 13?

You have an opinion and choice. Long as you stop couching it as bible.

I don't couch my opinion as Bible, I directly quote the Bible - Romans 13

 

[loveofourlord]

No need to vaccinate children.

Today, i saw a mobile vaccine unit with people queuing up to get the shot!

World gone bonkers!!

Of course there is, the more people that are vaccinated, the sooner we can get out of all this mess.

 

[power1]

Cancer deaths have been steadily declining for a generation or more. Nothing miraculous about it, just medical science getting better at their jobs.
And there's a pretty obvious reason why flu cases were a lot lower in 2020.

Numbers are a funny thing and people like to play with them as serves their interest. The way numbers are kept is a little easier to get one's head around. So, we might ask if it is a simple and quick thing to list someone with a death or serious issue after getting the vaccine as a vaccine incident? Or is it likely that it would be not written up or called something else if there were any way to do so? For a covid death, could there be anything else that actually killed them, like cancer, or a car accident or etc and yet it may still be declared a covid death? It does seem clear to me that the truth is not the prime goal here.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Exactly - not assuming politically-motivated propaganda and conspiracy theories but instead heeding the Word of God, such as Romans 13.

Right. Rightly dividing. Chapter 13 of Romans is NOT Paul’s admonition on how Christians should respond to government.

Rather, Paul is telling Roman Christians how to respond to an unyielding government that might kill them for resisting. It is to make efforts to live in peace while resisting wrong or corrupt law.

In Daniel, King Darius threw Daniel into the lion's den because of a bad law he had agreed to: that whosoever shall ask a petition of any God or man for thirty days, save of thee, O king, he shall be cast into the den of lions. Now, O king, establish the decree, and sign the writing, that it be not changed. This law was established specifically to prevent reliance on anyone but the secular ruler - even God. King Darius even knew it was a bad law and grieved over allowing this to happen to Daniel, and he actually threw in those who demanded the bad law be followed, after retrieving Daniel, whom God had saved.

Shadrach Meschach and Abednego are good examples. Nebuchadnezzar demanded they worship an idol; they didn't fight but they refused to worship the idol presented also.

Those who hold up vaccines as our savior, believe they are doing a good thing, and some believe that taking it is an act of love. That's fine, but love is NOT imposed on others by the state. It doesn't work that way.

Only an authoritarian dictator commands that others comply against their own conscience or even against medical advice, allergies, or immunity already enjoyed. That sort of tyranny is rightly resisted. Take vaccines all you want. Take 42 boosters if you want. But forcing it on others is wrong.

If you read further into Romans 14, you see that Paul writes: “For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin” . This principle guides Christians at all times, but especially in moments when governing authorities are are using coercive actions that do not proceed from God’s truth.

Coercion, especially as to medical interventions, is never right. Rational religious people are anti-mandate because coercion is anti-faith, but they can be pro-vaccine.

 

[7thKeeper]

I actually don't know what operation warpspeed did.

I might remember it wrong, but one of the major points was that the US government promised to buy a certain amount of the vaccine out right, giving the companies a certain amount of money they were sure to receive as soon as they'd finished the three phases of testing, instead of doing the testing first before any deals were made. On essence they had guaranteed profits and could concentrate on the development with less worries.