Why are highly educated and trained professionals refusing to vaccinate?

[wing2000]

And yet people who already had it recently are being forced to take the vaccine... In the military for example.

The military has "forced" members to take vaccines for as long as I can remember. As our drill sergeant used to say, "suck it up soldier."

 

[renniks]

The military has "forced" members to take vaccines for as long as I can remember. As our drill sergeant used to say, "suck it up soldier."

Has there ever been one that has been this contested, though?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Misuse of smiley face. You are being reported.

It isn't funny when a Christian stands up for "Do what thou wilt" rather than "Thou shalt not"?

 

[probinson]

Yes, the horrors of public vaccination.

What are you talking about? The concern is granting authority to the government that is then appropriated differently. If you think that can't happen again you're ignoring the lessons from history.

I really miss the days when little kids could become paralyzed for life because they went to the public pool on the wrong day. The iron lung industry really took a hit with the polio vaccine. That's just messed up tossing all those people out of work.

And smallpox! That was good too.

The CDC has warned that fully vaccinated people still get infected and still transmit the disease. That's not true of the sterilizing polio and smallpox vaccines. This idea that when you get vaccinated you're protecting others is simply not true.

COVID vaccines have been proven to dramatically reduce the severity of the disease to the individual vaccinated. They have not been proven to reduce spread of the disease. In fact, there doesn't even seem to be a correlation between vaccination rates and rate of spread, much less any evidence of causation.

Vaccine mandates, we're told, are necessary to protect others. But when I had COVID last month, do you know how many people I infected? 0. Do you know why? Because I isolated myself. I did not feel well, so I stayed home. On the contrary, vaccinated people can become infected and not even know it. Since the vaccine is not sterilizing, they go about their day as usual, unwittingly infecting untold numbers of people. Lest you doubt this, this is the whole reason the CDC tells vaccinated people they should still wear masks.

So what are you gaining by mandating a non-sterilizing vaccine? Nothing at all, other than political bragging rights to talk about how great your vaccination rate is.

 

[wing2000]

Has there ever been one that has been this contested, though?

...not to my knowledge. I suspect that soldier who takes the oath has no legal standing to contest a vaccine.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Medical Professionals - Medical Doctors - now Pilots.

It's not uneducated people not willing to vaccinate.

Why are highly educated, very well paid professionals refusing?

Thoughts?

For the same reason a lot of Republicans, conservatives, and non-professionals and uneducated people are eager to get the vaccine; opinions are not always based on those criteria and wisdom is different from intelligence and knowledge.

You've never in your life understood how people of all walks of life can be divided at all in their opinions?

 

[pacomascarot]

What are you talking about? The concern is granting authority to the government that is then appropriated differently. If you think that can't happen again you're ignoring the lessons from history.

I wish you lived in the US and you'd understand that there already are vax mandates all over the place and have been for a huge amount of time.

The CDC has warned that fully vaccinated people still get infected and still transmit the disease.

That's an oversimplification. You do realize that if one contracts it while vaccinated it greatly improves survivability and severity of the diseases. Yes, one can still spread it, which means one still needs to accidentally CARE ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE. But that shouldn't be too hard.

So what are you gaining by mandating a non-sterilizing vaccine? Nothing at all, other than political bragging rights to talk about how great your vaccination rate is.

You are wrong.

 

[hislegacy]

Oh, so it's not a vaccine mandate. Cool.

(also, Congress passed the Occupational Safety and Health Act, outlining the scope of the powers of the agency it created, in 1970. Noted communist dictator Richard Nixon signed it into law.)

I love how selective you are in what you address. Did the medical professionals who got fired fit into that?

How about the people who have zero connection with the Federal Government loosing their jobs?

 

[hislegacy]

You've never in your life understood how people of all walks of life can be divided at all in their opinions?

I fully recognize the differences of opinions.
But when the President single handed invokes the power of his office over private companies. Someone needs to speak truth to power.


there are checks and balances for a Reason

 

[renniks]

It isn't funny when a Christian stands up for "Do what thou wilt" rather than "Thou shalt not"?

If you think Christianity is all " Thou shalt nots" you are mistaken.
Anyway it's still misuse of the smiley feature.

 

[renniks]

That's an oversimplification. You do realize that if one contracts it while vaccinated it greatly improves survivability and severity of the diseases. Yes, one can still spread it, which means one still needs to accidentally CARE ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE. But that shouldn't be too hard.

How does one " accidentally" care about other people?

 

[renniks]

...not to my knowledge. I suspect that soldier who takes the oath has no legal standing to contest a vaccine.

There should be a religious exception.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I love how selective you are in what you address. Did the medical professionals who got fired fit into that?

Which medical professionals? The ones at private companies that set their own vaccination rules with no help from Joe?

The post I replied to talked about federal employees (to quote your other post: "“The president is the boss of the federal workforce and he sets the rules,”") and the OSHA rule that hasn't taken effect yet (and looks like it allows all legal exemptions and doesn't even mandate vaccines).

 

[essentialsaltes]

If you think Christianity is all " Thou shalt nots" you are mistaken.

Perhaps not, but it certainly isn't "Do what thou wilt".

 

[98cwitr]

Perhaps not, but it certainly isn't "Do what thou wilt".

Where is the line where you would consider "liberty" to be broken or violated (in regards to the "pandemic"), if any?

 

[lsume]

Please consider this. Man cannot do evil that good may come. This of course includes skewing or misrepresenting data. There are apparently some people who disagree with The Word. This would include cheating for what you believe will lead to a better outcome.

 

[pacomascarot]

How does one " accidentally" care about other people?

It happens when one least imagines it would. You're going along being a good American and then accidentally you do something that benefits someone else without benefitting you more. That's something we try to avoid here.

 

[pacomascarot]

I love how selective you are in what you address. Did the medical professionals who got fired fit into that?

How about the people who have zero connection with the Federal Government loosing their jobs?

I wish more Americans would take a principled stand against doing anything that might accidentally help anyone else or solve a major pandemic.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Where is the line where you would consider "liberty" to be broken or violated (in regards to the "pandemic"), if any?

Given the national emergency (and I think COVID-19 is still validly classed as an emergency), I think emergency measures are justified that curtail our usual rights we enjoy in non-emergency situations. That said, obviously there are still limits.

OSHA rules that enable large companies to set rules for vaccines OR testing regimens does not bother me.

 

[pacomascarot]

Given the national emergency (and I think COVID-19 is still validly classed as an emergency), I think emergency measures are justified that curtail our usual rights we enjoy in non-emergency situations. That said, obviously there are still limits.

That's why Mike Pence needed to decree Martial Law on Jan 6. It was a REAL emergency! More than half a million dead Americans was nothing compared to the death of decency when Trump was denied the election.

OSHA rules that enable large companies to set rules for vaccines OR testing regimens does not bother me.

Why do workers in America feel so entitled to a "safe workplace"? Our great grandparents worked 16 hours a day 7 days a week in horrific conditions resulting in massive loss of life meaning that WE TODAY are the product of the most hearty and hale workers!

I honestly don't understand why people think they should survive work. What are you gonna do? "retire"??? LOL.