Concerning our Creation, is this true?

[Saint Steven]

Yes but Jesus was not a sinner, and we are which means we have evil blood in us.

By your reasoning, Jesus would not have been human then? That may signal a problem. He called himself, "The son of man."

 

[Davy]

Is there reason to believe that God created us as human souls and our transgression made us physical which is why we are to resist the temptations of the flesh, and why we are not " of this world"? Because being physical is of satan? Because if we were of Gods alone, we would not be born sinners.

If you don't understand that there was a previous world earth age prior to this second one we are now in since Genesis 1:2, then you will not understand the why of this present world, and why you are here.

The very first sin against God was by Satan in that old world. Satan was originally created good, and he served God right at His Altar. See the parable about this in Ezekiel 28. This is why Satan has been given the power of death, as he is already judged and sentenced to perish along with the concept of death. Thus in that old world, before he rebelled in coveting God's Throne for himself, there was no death, no sin. It was an angelic earth age, of nations living upon the earth. Those conditions are also what God's future Kingdom of the new heavens and a new earth points to, ie., no more death, no pain, no hot or cold, no sin, etc.

Thusly, by the time of Adam and Eve in the flesh in God's Eden, the first flesh sin was prepared. And if that fall in Eden had not happened, then there would have been no need for The Gospel of Jesus Christ to be given. This present world was made in order to present The Gospel Faith for those who would believe. Then... when Jesus returns, and after His future 1,000 years reign, The full Godhead will return to earth, and resume His Eternal Kingdom here on earth, as His Eden was once here upon this earth, even in that old world before Satan rebelled in coveting God's Place and Throne.

 

[BeyondET]

Traditionally, it has not been the orthodox position that we were created disembodied souls that turned away from God, which in turn caused us to "fall" into an embodied/physical state of being. However, there are rare exceptions like Origen who did hold to that belief. Still, it's not a common Christian position, at all. It's more of a Platonic/Neo-Platonic belief than a Christian one.

The physical aspect of creation is not of Satan, according the the Christian scriptures and tradition. All of creation is good by virtue of the Creator's inherent and essential goodness. That which a good God creates is also good.

The question of why humanity has turned away from God is simply a mystery. The account in Genesis does not explain why the first humans decided to choose against their own best interest, in spite of the fact they lived in a paradisaical setting where nothing was lacking. Did they believe God lied? Why would they assume that? Did their desire for goodness and wisdom malfunction? Were they just spiritually immature and reached for the "fruit" too soon, pace Irenaeus? We aren't told the details. The Augustinian idea that they were perfect doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Why would humans in a state of rectitude with God, walking together with God in the cool of the day, turn away from God? Something is amiss. We're just not told the "Why?" The scriptures are virtually silent in explaining why God has created a world where sin and evil occur in an abundance, but they dedicate a lot of ink to showing how God brings good out of a world like this. It's helpful to remember the revelation of God in Jesus Christ is given so that we can know what we need to know and not necessarily so that can know all we want to know.

Eve heard about what Lamech said

 

[public hermit]

Eve heard about what Lamech said

Probably, but I don't mind if you finish your thought.

 

[BeyondET]

Probably, but I don't mind if you finish your thought.

Don't even touch it, was her words, probably was going to give it to Lamech, thinking it was a type of poisonous fruit, her feelings was hurt, she loved Abel, her grief overwhelmed her thinking

Chapter 4 before 3 except verse 25&26

 

[public hermit]

Don't even touch it, was her words, probably was going to give it to Lamech, thinking it was a type of poisonous fruit, her feelings was hurt, she loved Abel, her grief overwhelmed her thinking

Chapter 4 before 3 except verse 25&26

You'll have to forgive me, I misread "Eve" as "Ever" in post #23.

You are saying Eve heard Lamech say he would be avenged seventy- seven fold?

 

[BeyondET]

You'll have to forgive me, I misread "Eve" as "Ever" in post #23.

You are saying Eve heard Lamech say he would be avenged seventy- seven fold?

Indeed he made quite the bold statement, bolstering, she wasn't going to have that and test it

 

[fhansen]

Is there reason to believe that God created us as human souls and our transgression made us physical which is why we are to resist the temptations of the flesh, and why we are not " of this world"? Because being physical is of satan? Because if we were of Gods alone, we would not be born sinners.

We're not born sinners-God doesn’t create sinners or sinfulness to begin with. This world is a place of education and formation; we're here to learn how well we like autonomy from God, in a world free effectively from His moral control, unsubjugated to Him. That’s what Adam opted for, becoming his own “god" in the process. Because man’s distance or separation from God is the essence of his spiritual death, a state sometimes referred to as “original sin”. We’re born without the “knowledge of God”, and Jesus came, when the time was ripe, to show us His true face so that we may know Him, and so come to believe in, place our hope in, and, most importantly, come to love Him, becoming willfully subjugated to Him in that process, reversing the orientation of Adam away from God. We’re to find out what Adam missed (and presumably knows by now), to find out about our absolute need for God and the perfection of His wisdom for our lives-so we’ll increasingly heed Him, as Adam failed to do.

Everything God creates is good, including our bodies and natural appetites. The problem is that, if man isn’t spiritually and willfully subjugated and bound to God, a relationship that’s authentic and meaningful to the extent that we love Him, then we’re sort of wild, not necessarily obedient to His voice, free from the law He wrote on our hearts (even though it still exists inside), questioning the moral correctness of this act or that, uncertain about what we should or should not do morally speaking. Adam opened the door to moral relativity, and all sin that followed was then inevitable.

 

[Butch5]

Is there reason to believe that God created us as human souls and our transgression made us physical which is why we are to resist the temptations of the flesh, and why we are not " of this world"? Because being physical is of satan? Because if we were of Gods alone, we would not be born sinners.

In Scripture the word soul is used two ways. It's used in a concrete sense, as a living being. It's also used in an abstract sense of life it's self. The soul IS NOT a disembodied person or being. The Bible tells us in Genesis 2:7 that God created the man, Adam, from the dust of the ground. So, Adam was a physical being. Then God breathed His breath or spirit of life into the man and the man, that body of dust, became a living soul. So, a soul requires a body. We also learn from Scripture that when a man dies, that breath or spirit of life from God returns to Him and the man returns to dust. Since the two components that formed the soul have separated, the soul no longer exists. It didn't exist until the breath or spirit of life and the body came together and it ceases to exist when they separate.

 

[Davy]

Is there reason to believe that God created us as human souls and our transgression made us physical which is why we are to resist the temptations of the flesh, and why we are not " of this world"? Because being physical is of satan? Because if we were of Gods alone, we would not be born sinners.

What you're wondering is beyond the scope of the bounds of this world which God has allowed. But, if you keep in His Word, He will show you a hint of the answer to that. I mean, anyone actually reading Apostle Paul's Epistle to the Romans should begin to understand there's something not original going on between flesh and spirit.

 

[Jaxxi]

In Scripture the word soul is used two ways. It's used in a concrete sense, as a living being. It's also used in an abstract sense of life it's self. The soul IS NOT a disembodied person or being. The Bible tells us in Genesis 2:7 that God created the man, Adam, from the dust of the ground. So, Adam was a physical being. Then God breathed His breath or spirit of life into the man and the man, that body of dust, became a living soul. So, a soul requires a body. We also learn from Scripture that when a man dies, that breath or spirit of life from God returns to Him and the man returns to dust. Since the two components that formed the soul have separated, the soul no longer exists. It didn't exist until the breath or spirit of life and the body came together and it ceases to exist when they separate.

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What you're wondering is beyond the scope of the bounds of this world which God has allowed. But, if you keep in His Word, He will show you a hint of the answer to that. I mean, anyone actually reading Apostle Paul's Epistle to the Romans should begin to understand there's something not original going on between flesh and spirit.

Thank you. That is the most honest answer I think I have gotten. It is beyond our realm of knowing unless He tells us.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

But it does not say why. If we are eternal souls why would we be flesh, and the tree of knowledge is in heaven guarded by cherubim.

After the 6 days of creation it says everything God made was good.

 

[Jaxxi]

After the 6 days of creation it says everything God made was good.

Is that true? If that is true then why are we to have nothing to do with the world? If we love the world then we are an enemy of God? He made Lucifer and he isn't good. I look around me and see what is going on and it isn't good. I read the news and see what people are doing and it isn't good. People where I live are starting to hurt their children. We just had another case of a mother shooting her 2 and 6 year old children. We are seeing more and more of these cases and it's scaring me. These are demons doing this because humans do not act this way towards their children. People who do not believe are doing horrific things that they don't remember doing and it's getting worse. None of this is good.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

Is that true? If that is true then why are we to have nothing to do with the world? If we love the world then we are an enemy of God? He made Lucifer and he isn't good. I look around me and see what is going on and it isn't good. I read the news and see what people are doing and it isn't good. People where I live are starting to hurt their children. We just had another case of a mother shooting her 2 and 6 year old children. We are seeing more and more of these cases and it's scaring me. These are demons doing this because humans do not act this way towards their children. People who do not believe are doing horrific things that they don't remember doing and it's getting worse. None of this is good.

Everything created was good prior to the fall.

 

[Job 33:6]

Adam was physical, he was made of soil.

People laughed at this comment but I'd agree. The Bible certainly describes Adam as a physical being.

 

[Fervent]

No. In fact, claiming the physical world is evil is central to one of the main heresies that the authors of the New Testament were combatting. The entire point of the gospel of John is pretty much to stress that Jesus had a physical body and that redemption is physical since there were mystery cults popping up that claimed the YHWH in the OT was an evil god who created the physical world and that the Christ came to defeat him.

 

[Cormack]

Because if we were of Gods alone, we would not be born sinners.

Lots of users here on CF don’t believe we are born sinners, @Jaxxi.

 

[BobRyan]

Is there reason to believe that God created us as human souls and our transgression made us physical which is why we are to resist the temptations of the flesh, and why we are not " of this world"? Because being physical is of satan? Because if we were of Gods alone, we would not be born sinners.

Genesis 2 seems to refute that entire idea

 

[Derf]

Is there reason to believe that God created us as human souls and our transgression made us physical which is why we are to resist the temptations of the flesh, and why we are not " of this world"?

No. But the flesh was tainted when Adam ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. When we trust Jesus, to save us from the death brought into the world by Adam, we become “not of this world”—we become a new creation. But those temptations tempt our flesh, which we still have. When Christ was resurrected, He was like what we will be like, then our flesh will be new, without the death that came on all of Adam’s offspring.

Because being physical is of satan?

Following Satan is the evil part—doing what he says instead of what God says.

Because if we were of Gods alone, we would not be born sinners.

But if we were born if Adam, in his image, then we are born with death hanging over our heads, and in fear of not getting what we want/need before we die, we sin.
Jesus promises us all we need, because the Father loves us, and even death is not to be feared, because we will be raised like Jesus was.

 

[coffee4u]

Is there reason to believe that God created us as human souls and our transgression made us physical which is why we are to resist the temptations of the flesh, and why we are not " of this world"? Because being physical is of satan? Because if we were of Gods alone, we would not be born sinners.

God created Adam from the dirt then breathed the breath of life, his soul and spirit into him.
We are body, soul and spirit, 3 in one as God is 3 in one. The fall caused our spirit to die, our souls to corupt and the curse our bodies to corrupt.

Once you are born again your spirit lives so it is no longer under control of this world. The world follows Satan in spirit and soul whether it knows it or not.
Later will come the bodily resurrection. All three will be regenerated as all 3 were affected.
1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
This is the dead raising with new bodies.
Ephesians 2:5
Even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
Bodily resurrection and spiritual resurrection.

We are born sinners because of Adam.
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—
No person can be born free of sin.
The only person born without sin was Jesus.