Biden Drops the Hammer on Unvaccinated

[Clizby WampusCat]

And you think the evidence hasn't been presented? All they'd have to do is refer to experts in the field, but America's so rock stupid in terms of any scientific literacy for 50% or more of the population, the evidence presented would just be discounted at the start because of well poisoning for the government being "biased"

Then the answer is to keep trying not to give up. We have the same goal to get everyone that can vaccinated. Your solution seems to be to call people stupid and tell them we will not care for you if you are not vaccinated. My solution is to push hard at convincing people to get vaccinated.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Pretty sure I never referenced any channel, so nice strawman and a painfully rushed one at that

Notice the question ark? I was asking you not straw manning you.

The manifestation will vary, I'm not saying everyone is doing it, but when someone buys into such disinformation and idiocy, it is not just their fault, it is society's in not addressing our poor education system, etc

Ok, so because of tis we don't treat people?

It does when the situation is between them and people that have a better chance of surviving because they took those precautions. If they care about a free market like they do, this is the consequence of their actions, a right to refuse service that isn't preferential, but based on demonstrable evidence that without vaccination, you are highly likely to not survive versus those who still get hospitalized (5% of cases at best) when vaccinated because of the delta variant and future strains.

If a person needs treatment we should figure out how to care for them no matter their decisions.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Let's find a way to help people. But no, not the most obvious, effective way.

The most effective way is vaccines. Lets convince them to take it instead of forcing them to.

The other approach would require the government funding and forcing people to become health care workers. Is that worse than a vaccine mandate?

What are you talking about?

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

How do you propose doing that?

don't know. But then again, I am not someone that has the knowledge to figure it out. Leaders don't need to know how to solve the problem they need to organize and lead people that do know how to solve the problem. Biden is not doing this.

 

[Aldebaran]

Let's find a way to help people. But no, not the most obvious, effective way.

The other approach would require the government funding and forcing people to become health care workers. Is that worse than a vaccine mandate?

Even better idea: Government backs off and stops telling people how to live.

 

[JacksBratt]

Because there's a fundamental problem of oversaturation in media overall, you cannot rationally expect everyone to be in the know about everything that you think is important

There's also problems of production and distribution of this particular vaccine that are likely affecting how much it can be promoted, since if you have this great thing, but you can't get it out to the world, then it's like trying to grasp at the moon with your hand, thinking that because you can see it, it must be within reach

Sorry, I believe that you are a skeptic. In these times when all you hear about is Covid this and Covid that... an endless stream of "science" advice and theory... a new tried and tested vaccine that is safe for new born babies to 100 year olds would be easily thrust into the news cycle.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Even better idea: Government backs off and stops telling people how to live.

Texas will never go for it.

 

[Vylo]

Ok, I believe that is unethical. Many Biden supporters want universal health care yet will deny it to people they think don't deserve it. That is why government should not be involved in our healthcare system. Someday the government will say you don't get treatment for something because they don't like your decisions.

It isn't simply a matter of them not deserving it, it is a matter of it running out because they literally are denying reality.

 

[Hank77]

Then Biden can get an expert to address the nation. But if you don't want to help people understand then ok, but why not let others try to convince them? Saying they will never be convinced is poor thinking and unproductive in my opinion.

He has, they have.

 

[Desk trauma]

The most effective way is vaccines. Lets convince them to take it instead of forcing them to.

Driving sober is the safest option but let’s not force people to do it, just try to convince them.

Not dumping poison into the rivers is the best option but let’s not force people , try to convince them.

Maintaining sanity food preparation is best but let’s not force people, try to convince them.

 

[Vylo]

The most effective way is vaccines. Lets convince them to take it instead of forcing them to.

They have had some of the most accomplished people in all of medicine tell them that vaccination works.

The wealthy have tried to hoard the vaccine for themselves in the early days.

The president THEY supported fast laned vaccine development, and then got the vaccine EVEN AFTER HIS OWN INFECTION. he announced this publicly. His vice president got the vaccine publicly.

We have more data on these vaccines than any others in history

We have a history of NO significant side effects for ANY vaccine in all of history past 6 weeks. We are at 10 MONTHS.

We have emergency rooms and ICUs clogged with 95-100% unvaccinated people, despite them making up less than half of the population.

If none of that convinces them, nothing will. The time to "convince" is over, because these folks are living in an alternate reality.

 

[KCfromNC]

The most effective way is vaccines. Lets convince them to take it instead of forcing them to.

Forcing is a strong word. But look at how well Delta Airline's policy about employee vaccination worked. If we're talking about the most effective way, no need to discount ways that work.

What are you talking about?

One possible non-vaccine-mandate approach to get enough health care workers so that everyone is treated when they get sick. I mean, I don't have any real practical answers to how to manufacture a bunch of nurses and doctors out of thin air, but that seemed to be the best alternative if effective ways of getting more people vaccinated are off the table.

 

[KCfromNC]

Even better idea: Government backs off and stops telling people how to live.

Nope, they don't get to make themselves a danger to others and then act like they're being oppressed for the natural consequences they created for themselves.

 

[KCfromNC]

Driving sober is the safest option but let’s not force people to do it, just try to convince them.

Not dumping poison into the rivers is the best option but let’s not force people , try to convince them.

Maintaining sanity food preparation is best but let’s not force people, try to convince them.

We should just teach people about then dangers of shooting guns in densely packed public places and let them make their own choices. If they decide to after learning the facts, the only choice is the "Government backs off and stops telling people how to live."

 

[Aldebaran]

We have a history of NO significant side effects for ANY vaccine in all of history past 6 weeks. We are at 10 MONTHS.

That's because many of the ones who have significant side effects never make it past 6 weeks to tell the story.

 

[Aldebaran]

Forcing is a strong word. But look at how well Delta Airline's policy about employee vaccination worked. If we're talking about the most effective way, no need to discount ways that work.

Kim Jong Un's policies work too. He wouldn't still be in power if his policies didn't work.

 

[KCfromNC]

That's because many of the ones who have significant side effects never make it past 6 weeks to tell the story.

That's not true.

 

[KCfromNC]

Kim Jong Un's policies work too. He wouldn't still be in power if his policies didn't work.

If you want to compare the free market in action to a ruthless dictator, don't let me stop you.

 

[Aldebaran]

That's not true.

It's entirely true, and I could point you to many examples, each of which you'd dismiss as "anecdotal".

 

[Aldebaran]

If you want to compare the free market in action to a ruthless dictator, don't let me stop you.

You're the one who said:

Forcing is a strong word. But look at how well Delta Airline's policy about employee vaccination worked. If we're talking about the most effective way, no need to discount ways that work.

So whether it's a company forcing people to do their will, or a government doing it, it all comes down to controlling individuals by removing their choices.