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Biden Drops the Hammer on Unvaccinated

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I don't think health care workers necessarily don't WANT to help folks who are sick. In some places they CAN'T help everyone. Resources are scarce due to overcrowding of hospitals. If people make the choice not to get vaccinated, they must be willing to face these facts. They may not get the treatment some seem to take for granted.
Then we need to figure out how to help all of them instead of fighting about who we should not help.
 
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Actually, by harsher I meant vaccine mandates before it gets to the dying part.
Ok. I don't think the government telling you want you have to put into your body is a good way to go.
 
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Well, first of all he gave us the knowledge for the vaccine and second of all. he has worked miracles in allowing people to recover does not mean everyone.
Can you provide good evidence for these claims?
 
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I mean, you shouldn't have to. Vaccines have wiped 2 diseases from the face of the earth, a feat never performed before. It is the reason we don't have Polio in the US. Vaccines have worked for a very long time.
I agree with you. But clearly a large portion of the US population needs convincing. Why would this be a bad idea for Biden to make an evidenced base case for the vaccine with experts (not Fauci) to get vaccinated?
 
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Can you provide good evidence for these claims?
evidence of what I have seen God work both in this and in other things if you would really like to know examples ( they will not be based on science that is part of a miracle feel free to PM me if you are serious about it.
 
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I agree with you. But clearly a large portion of the US population needs convincing. Why would this be a bad idea for Biden to make an evidenced base case for the vaccine with experts (not Fauci) to get vaccinated?
There is data that suggest the vaccine is effective.
 
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Then we need to figure out how to help all of them instead of fighting about who we should not help.
You cannot create resources or force people to staff and/or be trained in the use of those resources.
 
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It's still the same thing, according to the FDA as enumerated in their approval.

They didn't approve the experimental version. They approved the one that still doesn't exist.
 
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evidence of what I have seen God work both in this and in other things if you would really like to know examples ( they will not be based on science that is part of a miracle feel free to PM me if you are serious about it.
Ok, Evidence does not need to be science based. It just needs to be good evidence not just stories.
 
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Ok, Evidence does not need to be science based. It just needs to be good evidence not just stories.
What kind of evidence do you want then define good in this context.
 
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There is data that suggest the vaccine is effective.
Absolutely. This is why I am pro vaccine. Biden and the government have not done a good job in explaining that to people. They are too busy blaming the unvaccinated. What is the problem with Biden addressing the nation and explaining the good evidence?
 
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Absolutely. This is why I am pro vaccine. Biden and the government have not done a good job in explaining that to people. They are too busy blaming the unvaccinated. What is the problem with Biden addressing the nation and explaining the good evidence?
People can read the data for themselves. If anything private citizens ( mainly doctors) would have a better shot at talking to people when that has not worked people can look at the data at that point they are just being stubborn.
 
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What kind of evidence do you want then define good in this context.
I cannot answer that completely until I know what the evidence is. In general good evidence will directly link an event to a particular god. If you claim a miracle happened then good evidence will show that the miracle is a direct result of God intervening. Not just that you cannot think of any other reason that the miracle could have happened which is usually the case.
 
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People can read the data for themselves. If anything private citizens ( mainly doctors) would have a better shot at talking to people when that has not worked people can look at the data at that point they are just being stubborn.
So why is Biden addressing the nation not a good idea? People are not being stubborn. They are unconvinced the benefits outweigh the risks.
 
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So why is Biden addressing the nation not a good idea? People are not being stubborn. They are unconvinced the benefits outweigh the risks.
Maybe Biden figures people can read the data by now.
 
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Then we need to figure out how to help all of them instead of fighting about who we should not help.
They already did figure that out. Get everyone vaccinated.
 
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They already did figure that out. Get everyone vaccinated.
and have given people plenty of time and data to back that up.
 
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Maybe Biden figures people can read the data by now.
At this point you are being stubborn. I will take "no answer" as the answer to my question. It is obvious people left on their own are remaining unconvinced. Leaders help people understand truths.
 
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