Biden Drops the Hammer on Unvaccinated

[Hans Blaster]

so those who refuse to get vaccinated are “attitude problems”… oh boy.

There seems to be a big overlap between problem employees and vaccine resisters. Those stubborn enough to resist all the way to dismissal (and there have been plenty of warnings, deadlines, etc.) are also the same ones who are likely to make trouble for their supervisors.

 

[wing2000]

The Bible-Inspired Influences on the U. S. Constitution and Bill of Rights - The Founding

"Influenced by" does not equal "based on"

In any case, lay out the scriptural basis for refusing to take the Covid vaccine.

 

[whatbogsends]

Since were apparently doing data by anecdote...

I know a few people (actually 2 households) that have had COVID among the people I know. In both cases it was *before* vaccines were available (last fall). NO ONE that I know has gotten COVID after being vaccinated. (And the one person I know who recently had a scare and got tested, was not COVID infected.)

I was actually talking about posters on this forum, not personal anecdotes of people i know. It wasn't commenting about "data" so much as self-righteous posters who condemn the unvaccinated, yet have acknowledge that they were actually vectors in spread - and unless i was somehow infected without producing antibodies, i have not been a vector in spread.

In my own life i know of unvaccinated cases (in every case, before vaccines were available) and some breakthrough cases.

 

[Hammster]

"Influenced by" does not equal "based on"

In any case, lay out the scriptural basis for refusing to take the Covid vaccine.

I’m not against taking the vaccine.

 

[whatbogsends]

Yes, I'm referring to the US.

Or, you could be manipulating the statistics. If ten million are vaccinated and 50 are hospitalized, you could point out that all were vaccinated, but you're still leaving out important information.

Certainly taking the position that "you could be manipulating the statistics" is one way to address the argument. Of course, i specifically looked information provided by factual sources when i posted the links to summaries of the data. I didn't write those articles nor compile the statistics.

I will agree that the data in the US makes the vaccine program appear to be very effective at reducing hospitalizations and death. I simply noted (and sourced) information that shows it appears significantly less effective in other countries (specifically referencing Israel, the UK, and Ireland).

My stance isn't that "the vaccines are bad". It's that there's been a sales pitch which does not appear to be fully reflective of the actual risks and efficacy, and while i'm glad they're available for all who want them, the data should continue to be thoroughly studied, and discussion should be nuanced rather than propagandistic.

 

[FireDragon76]

Too little, too late.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

If the non vaccinated gets Covid, and stayed home and to recover or die, I’d be okay with that; but they don’t do that, they wanna go to the hospital to try to get well, and they are taking away beds from people who are sick and injured due to no fault of their own. The Hospitals are being over run due to all of these people who refuse to take the vaccine and this hurts all of us. The unvaccinated are not just hurting themselves, they’re hurting us all.

Advocating letting people die is unethical even if it is because they refused the vaccine because of bad evidence or thinking. Are you advocating no medical treatment for the unvaccinated?

 

[Belk]

I’m not against taking the vaccine.

You are against being forced to take it, yes?

 

[Sparagmos]

There seems to be a big overlap between problem employees and vaccine resisters. Those stubborn enough to resist all the way to dismissal (and there have been plenty of warnings, deadlines, etc.) are also the same ones who are likely to make trouble for their supervisors.

There is. I’m seeing it a lot in my work as a union rep. The people who are steadfastly anti-vaxx are also not well-liked by coworkers. In almost every case, they are pretty much jerks.

 

[Hammster]

You are against being forced to take it, yes?

Yes, as should everyone.

 

[Belk]

Yes, as should everyone.

Are you against other forced health mandates?

 

[Hammster]

Are you against other forced health mandates?

Off the top of my head, yes.

 

[Belk]

Off the top of my head, yes.

So you do not believe others should have a right to be protected from you if you are unhealthy?

 

[Hammster]

So you do not believe others should have a right to be protected from you if you are unhealthy?

The biblical principle is that if you are unhealthy, you isolate until you are healthy.

That’s not what this mandate is about, though.

 

[Belk]

The biblical principle is that if you are unhealthy, you isolate until you are healthy.

That’s not what this mandate is about, though.

What is this mandate about in your view?

 

[Hammster]

What is this mandate about in your view?

Telling people that if they don’t take an experimental drug, they will be fired. Or take a 5k pay cut.

 

[wing2000]

Telling people that if they don’t take an experimental drug, they will be fired. Or take a 5k pay cut.

They have a choice. If the unvacinated choose to be a greater risk to society, there will be consequences. It is their choice though. No one is forcing a needle into their arm.
The vaccine is not experimental.
For generations, we have complied with vaccine mandates for multiple diseases.
What has changed now?

 

[Belk]

Telling people that if they don’t take an experimental drug, they will be fired. Or take a 5k pay cut.

Your understanding is very different from mine.

 

[98cwitr]

Wonder what other freedoms people are willing to give up if the end of medical privacy and forced vaccinations are tolerable now?

I'd much rather return to the Jacobson v. Mass. Supreme Court cases of 1905, at least that was just a fine for not getting vaccinated, where as now you are gonna get fired from your job, lose your pension and insurance, and scramble for employment; all from policies coming down from what once was "the working man's party."

$5 in 1905 was about $150 in today's dollars. Where do I pay? Also, I thought healthcare was a state's right to dictate and determine, but there's plenty of support for federal overreach.

Jacobson v Massachusetts: It’s Not Your Great-Great-Grandfather’s Public Health Law

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Telling people that if they don’t take an experimental drug, they will be fired. Or take a 5k pay cut.

It's not an experimental drug, it's an approved vaccine with at least 17 years of development and testing.