Biden Drops the Hammer on Unvaccinated

[Hammster]

So, how many of yall would feel uncomfortable if you were in a car with an unvaccinated person?? How many would be uncomfortable if you were in the grocery store with an unvaccinated person?? How many think all services should be stopped for the unvaccinated, like healthcare? Shopping at the mall, eating out at a restaurant??

I’ve got no problems.

 

[Goonie]

I wonder will we be seeing Texas and other anti-vax states enact a law based on the Texas abortion law allowing anyone without standing to sue any company mandating vaccines.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I think the real question now is....what do we call the left's new dictator in chief?

I like Kim Jong Joe.

I'm also fond of Der Forgetful Fuhrer.

Thoughts?

 

[Albion]

Let us agree to disagree. We have made our points clear.

I find your argument of the unvaccinated as victim truly amazing. I suspect that medical workers in the South know better whether the unvaccinated are the victims.

Yes, but this is to treat every unvaccinated person as the same as any other, regardless of all other factors. We'd call that racism or sexism or something like that if we were grouping everyone together--and doing things to them--entirely because of some other characteristic shared by everyone in the target group.

We are, as a country, sliding away from valuing freedom as being very important to us, and the results will fall heavily on our children and grandchildren.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I picked something basic because you seem to dismiss talk of inflation as a "right wing talking point".

I do dismiss it as a right wing talking point, because that’s all it is. It’s built on an anachronistic fear dating back to the Volcker era, completely ignores everything that’s happened post-2008, and is only ever trotted out as a bulwark against policies advocated by the left. (or by Austrian school libertarian cranks who can’t be bothered to deal with evidence)

Did the right care about the inflationary effects of the Trump tax cuts? No. Did they care about the inflationary effects of historically low unemployment during Trump’s term? No. Do they care about the inflationary effects of an isolationist immigration policy? No. Did they care about the inflationary effects of Trump’s trade war? No. But Biden wants an infrastructure bill? Omginflation!!!

The years following the financial crisis showed that we can pump waaaaay more money into the economy than we thought without juicing inflation. We’ve been trending under our target inflation levels for a long time. Overshooting them for a bit isn’t going to kill us.

I don't know what the right is saying about inflation, but just because the left isn't talking about it....doesn't mean it isn't real.

The left is talking about it now, because it’s actually happening now vs before when it was nothing but a right-wing fever dream. But even though it’s happening now, it’s not happening in the systemic way that the right often frets about.

Sure....sure it will. After all, Biden and his team have slam dunked every other problem so far. Why would he drop the ball on this?

I’m not worried about him dropping the ball on this because it’s got little-to-nothing to do with him. Oil prices will go down once production finishes ramping back up (assuming Russia and OPEC want it to). Car prices will go down once computer chip production ramps back up. Airline tickets will go down once flights resume.

 

[Aldebaran]

I’m not worried about him dropping the ball on this because it’s got little-to-nothing to do with him. Oil prices will go down once production finishes ramping back up (assuming Russia and OPEC want it to). Car prices will go down once computer chip production ramps back up. Airline tickets will go down once flights resume.

How is any of that supposed to happen when rises taxes and inflation caused by biden's policies drive produces out of the country? How are oil prices going to go down now that our energy independence has ended under biden and further drilling has been stopped? How will computer chip production ramp back up when China now has total control of that industry?

 

[mark46]

Yes, but this is to treat every unvaccinated person as the same as any other, regardless of all other factors. We'd call that racism or sexism or something like that if we were grouping everyone together--and doing things to them--entirely because of some other characteristic shared by everyone in the target group.

We are, as a country, sliding away from valuing freedom as being very important to us, and the results will fall heavily on our children and grandchildren.

The government isn't doing something to victims. The government has ordered workplace rules. The government has decided on workplace conditions for its workers.

Do you truly believe that the government has no right to have smallpox vaccinations as a requirement for employment?

There are many OSHA rules. I accept that you believe that requiring a weekly COVID test is the mark of an over-reaching federal government.
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I would note that Biden has left the issue of who a business must accept into its establishment to the states and local governments. He has left mask mandates or vacation requirement for customers to the state and local governments. If the states want to force businesses to serve the unvaccinated and/or unmasked, that is a decision for the states and local governments.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

The government isn't doing something to victims. The government has ordered workplace rules. The government has decided on workplace conditions for its workers.

Do you truly believe that the government has no right to have smallpox vaccinations as a requirement for employment?

There are many OSHA rules. I accept that you believe that requiring a weekly COVID test is the mark of an over-reaching federal government.

Given that we keep hearing that companies cant get enough people to fill enough positions, how does it make sense to make the situation worse by firing or seeking resignations of the unvaccinated??
Houston methodist hospital lost 153 healthcare workers because they mandated the workers had to be vaccinated. Seems to me, that if things were really that bad, last thing you’d wanna do it make it worse by getting rid of the few workers you have left.

 

[SimplyMe]

Given that we keep hearing that companies cant get enough people to fill enough positions, how does it make sense to make the situation worse by firing or seeking resignations of the unvaccinated??
Houston methodist hospital lost 153 healthcare workers because they mandated the workers had to be vaccinated. Seems to me, that if things were really that bad, last thing you’d wanna do it make it worse by getting rid of the few workers you have left.

Yes, the drop from over 25,000 workers to still having over 25,000 workers, it really is "very few workers" left after they lost 153 workers.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Yes, the drop from over 25,000 workers to still having over 25,000 workers, it really is "very few workers" left after they lost 153 workers.

Sounds like they got rid of some with attitude problems without an HR fight. Clever.

 

[iluvatar5150]

How is any of that supposed to happen when rises taxes and inflation caused by biden's policies drive produces out of the country? How are oil prices going to go down now that our energy independence has ended under biden and further drilling has been stopped? How will computer chip production ramp back up when China now has total control of that industry?

What are you talking about? Our energy independence doesn’t affect oil prices, but even if it did, nothing about it has changed since Biden took office. China’s share of the chip market hasn’t changed in the last year and a half - heck, if anything, it’s fallen a bit because of some factory fires over there. Production will ramp back up because they want to make money.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I do dismiss it as a right wing talking point, because that’s all it is.

Again, it's two rather simple questions...

1. Have we been printing a lot of money?
2. Has the economy grown enough to keep up with the printing?

If the answer to #1 is no....you really don't need to be concerned about #2. If it's yes, and it is, then the lack of economic growth is a problem.

Here's a simple analogy...

If I flood the apple market with apples, yet the demand for apples doesn't increase, what happens to the value of the apples?

It's the same with our dollar. We've got a lot of printed money, but the economy is nowhere near catching up at the rate we need it to.

The years following the financial crisis showed that we can pump waaaaay more money into the economy than we thought without juicing inflation. We’ve been trending under our target inflation levels for a long time. Overshooting them for a bit isn’t going to kill us.

Sure.

The left is talking about it now, because it’s actually happening now vs before when it was nothing but a right-wing fever dream. But even though it’s happening now, it’s not happening in the systemic way that the right often frets about.

Another way of putting that is the right was correct to think printing money would lead to inflation. The left was wrong about how strongly the economy would recover.

I'm well aware that Kim Jong Joe can't fix the economy....but he can affect fiscal policy.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Yes, the drop from over 25,000 workers to still having over 25,000 workers, it really is "very few workers" left after they lost 153 workers.

in case you hadnt heard, theres a worker shortage all across the country.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Sounds like they got rid of some with attitude problems without an HR fight. Clever.

so those who refuse to get vaccinated are “attitude problems”… oh boy.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Again, it's two rather simple questions...

1. Have we been printing a lot of money?
2. Has the economy grown enough to keep up with the printing?

If the answer to #1 is no....you really don't need to be concerned about #2. If it's yes, and it is, then the lack of economic growth is a problem.

Here's a simple analogy...

If I flood the apple market with apples, yet the demand for apples doesn't increase, what happens to the value of the apples?

It's the same with our dollar. We've got a lot of printed money, but the economy is nowhere near catching up at the rate we need it to.

#2 is the wrong question. Question #2 should be: Has the economy been able to accommodate the increase in money?

The answer to that question is yes, in large part because (as far as I understand things) of where that money has gone.

Inflation is affected by a lot of things, including economic growth, but it's ultimately a measure of consumer prices. We've been printing money for quite a while, but it's only in the last few months that we've seen anything resembling the inflation that we've been long warned about. Until recently, that money we've been printing hasn't been going into the consumer economy; it's been going into the bond market. That's not necessarily a bad thing, because it helps grease the skids so-to-speak, but it's sufficiently removed from the consumer economy that a big round of quantitative easing doesn't move consumer prices much.

But to use your original question, has the economy grown enough to accommodate that money: I’d say obviously yes. The stimulus money has gone into the consumer market and has been intended to be a bulwark against the economic contraction that the pandemic otherwise would’ve caused. We had two quarters of negative gdp growth and a very quick rebound to positive growth.

Another way of putting that is the right was correct to think printing money would lead to inflation. The left was wrong about how strongly the economy would recover.

No, that's not another way of putting it. The right wasn't correct. You can look at the CPI data and see what sectors are contributing to this recent inflation. Printing money doesn't lead to spikes predominantly in the oil and used car markets. Either way, inflation is one indicator of a strong, growing economy. If you want a quick rebound, you’re liable to get some inflation.

 

[Albion]

The government isn't doing something to victims.

So, perfectly ordinary citizens who haven't been convicted of anything are NOT having their livelihoods threatened, fines have not been announced, and all the rest that I've heard and read about in the news is untrue??????

Biden, in an address to the nation, said the unvaccinated "can cause a lot of damage, and they are."

 

[Ana the Ist]

#2 is the wrong question. Question #2 should be: Has the economy been able to accommodate the increase in money?

Uhhh... the economy always accommodates more money.

The easiest way is inflation...devaluing the dollar.

 

[pitabread]

Look at how many support tyranny.

It might surprise to you learn that vaccine mandates have been a think for over a hundred years in the U.S. If that's tyranny to you, then you've already been living in tyranny your whole life. This doesn't change anything.

 

[Hammster]

It might surprise to you learn that vaccine mandates have been a think for over a hundred years in the U.S. If that's tyranny to you, then you've already been living in tyranny your whole life. This doesn't change anything.

Just because we’ve had tyranny for some time doesn’t make it less tyrannical.

 

[pitabread]

Just because we’ve had tyranny for some time doesn’t make it less tyrannical.

If you consider the living in the U.S. to be tyranny, are there other countries you don't think are tyrannical? What exactly is your benchmark for tyranny?