Hebrews says that God's new covenant nullified the old

[Original Happy Camper]

Neither eternal life or the lake of fire is a reward.

Eternal life is a GIFT conferred upon those who have reconciled with God ... and become a part of His family

John 10

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the GIFT of God is eternal life, through Christ Jesus, our Lord.

The lake of fire ... is a CONDEMNATION ... reserved for those who remain outside of God's family.

John 3

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Revelation 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Please explain to me what the reward that Christ brings with him at the Resurrection is then

 

[Original Happy Camper]

In the context of the New Covenant, ... what does "not fit for heaven" mean ?

Daniel 7:10
A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Jude
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

These verses explain "unfit for heaven"

No need to explain it in context with the new covenant as the Judgement applies to all humans of the old and new covenant

 

[A_Thinker]

Daniel 7:10
A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Jude
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

These verses explain "unfit for heaven"

No need to explain it in context with the new covenant as the Judgement applies to all humans of the old and new covenant

How are believers under the New Covenant judged ?

Is there any difference between those judged under the New Covenant ... and those judged under the Old Covenant ?

Of what benefit is it to be a believer ?

What effect does the Book of Life have upon the judgment of a believer ?

 

[Guojing]

James 2:20
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

If you are talking about the Tribulation, then yes, faith without works is indeed dead.

But now, we live in the grace dispensation, under Romans to Philemon.

 

[A_Thinker]

Please explain to me what the reward that Christ brings with him at the Resurrection is then

James 1:12
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

2 Timothy 4:8
Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

1 Peter 5:4
And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

James 1:12
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

2 Timothy 4:8
Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

1 Peter 5:4
And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

are you saying that the "crown" above is literal?

 

[A_Thinker]

are you saying that the "crown" above is literal?

I'm saying that the "crowns" are rewards.

Also ...

Matthew 19

27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?

28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

Matthew 25

23 His lord said unto him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. Thou hast been faithful over a few things; I will make thee ruler over many things. Enter thou into the joy of thy lord.’

 

[Studyman]

Hebrews 8

6 But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.

8 For he finds fault with them when he says:

“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah,
9 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers
on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt.

For they did not continue in my covenant,
and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws into their minds,
and write them on their hearts,
and I will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
11 And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor
and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
for they shall all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful toward their iniquities,
and I will remember their sins no more.”

13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

The New Covenant God defines in Jer. 31 regarded two things, both of them required by a Levite Priest.

#1. The Manner in which God's Laws are administered

#2.The manner in which forgiveness of Sin is accomplished.

"After those days" these things were to change.

When the Prophesied High Priest "After the order of Melchizedek" came, the Priesthood "After the Order of Aaron" became obsolete.

Hebrews 7-10 speaks to this in detail.

In the Exodus, God commanded Israel to follow Him in obedience. But they refused to do so. So God instituted a "LAW" which detailed some temporary Sacrificial "Works" before sins were forgiven. This Covenant was made with LEVI, not at first, but after Israel "Transgressed". As Jeremiah tells us.

Jer. 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.

So God "ADDED" sacrificial "Works" for forgiveness, after they "Transgressed", as Paul spells out in Galatians 3:19..

Ex. 32:30 And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin.

This is the Covenant made with Levi, "because of Transgressions, till the SEED should come". At least according to the God of the Bible. A Priesthood Covenant with Levi regarding;

#1. How God's Laws were administered.

Heb. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

#2. How sins were forgiven.

Lev. 4:27 And if any one of the common people sin through ignorance, while he doeth somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and be guilty; 28 Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned. 29 And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering. 30 And the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out all the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar. 31 And he shall take away all the fat thereof, as the fat is taken away from off the sacrifice of peace offerings; and the priest shall burn it upon the altar for a sweet savour unto the LORD; and the priest shall make an atonement for him, and it shall be forgiven him.

This is the Covenant God Promised to change. No more Levite Priest required to read from the Book of the Law, and no more Levite Priest to take animal sin offering to.

Malachi confirms this.


Mal. 2:4 And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

5 My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name.

God is referring to Ex. 32:26.

Ex. 32:26 Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD'S side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.

It was this Priesthood Covenant with Levi that changed, not God's Definition of Sin.

A New Ministry, not a different definition of sin.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

I'm saying that the "crowns" are rewards.

Also ...

Matthew 19

27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?

28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

Matthew 25

23 His lord said unto him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. Thou hast been faithful over a few things; I will make thee ruler over many things. Enter thou into the joy of thy lord.’

You do understand that when Jesus comes every humans fate is sealed and they have been judged, you are either resurrected at his coming and are found worthy of Heaven(eternal life) or are not resurrected till after the 1000 years when the wicked are raised.

 

[fhansen]

A- Thinker wanted a reply to the above statement in another tread as it was off topic I am posting it here

and will reply later

The NC doesn’t nullify or revoke the old; it simply makes it obsolete because it’s new and better; it finally accomplishes what the old never could.

 

[chad kincham]

The new covenant is in the process of being implemented. When complete, it will feature all that you have stated here ...

Except Hebrews 9 says that the New Testament/covenant is the last will and Testament of Jesus Christ that took effect at His death, as all wills do - and He is the mediator, now of the new, not will be.

Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Notice also that there’s an eternal inheritance that occurs with the new covenant/Testament.

Maranatha

 

[Original Happy Camper]

The NC doesn’t nullify or revoke the old; it simply makes it obsolete because it’s new and better; it finally accomplishes what the old never could.

In The Old and New Covenants Part 1 , we discussed the old covenant—the sacrificial system and the ceremonial laws—and what it represented. Jesus’ fulfillment of the promise by His life and death on the cross is the new covenant. It is the fulfillment of the old one.

Without Jesus, who came and fulfilled the promise, none of the ceremonies and sacrifices would have done any good or meant anything. They simply were a foreshadowing of the true remedy for sin—Jesus Christ.

Some people claim that the God of the Old Testament is different than the God of the New Testament and that Israel was under law and we are under grace. But if we study the sanctuary, which we did only briefly in the last article, we can see that the Gospel was preached to the Jews through type.

God's Covenant | Plan of Salvation | Jesus Christ

 

[RDKirk]

The NC doesn’t nullify or revoke the old; it simply makes it obsolete because it’s new and better; it finally accomplishes what the old never could.

At the time Hebrews was written, it says the old covenant was "becoming obsolete." That was because the new covenant with its superior promise was already in effect.

It could be argued for at least a while that as long as Jews could perform sacrifices at the temple, the old covenant was still in effect.

The old covenant became fully obsolete when the temple was destroyed because there was then no longer any way, except under the new covenant, to be atoned of sin.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

At the time Hebrews was written, it says the old covenant was "becoming obsolete." That was because the new covenant with its superior promise was already in effect.

It could be argued for at least a while that as long as Jews could perform sacrifices at the temple, the old covenant was still in effect.

The old covenant became fully obsolete when the temple was destroyed because there was then no longer any way, except under the new covenant, to be atoned of sin.

It can not be argued with support that the old covenant was still in effect.

The curtain was rent between the Holy and The Most Holy in the sanctuary when Jesus Christ died, thus the old (covenant/ceremonial laws) was fulfilled and the new covenant was in place with his death and resurrection.

 

[RDKirk]

It can not be argued with support that the old covenant was still in effect.

The curtain was rent between the Holy and The Most Holy in the sanctuary when Jesus Christ died, thus the old (covenant/ceremonial laws) was fulfilled and the new covenant was in place with his death and resurrection.

The only argument I would propose is the fact that Hebrews said the old covenant was "becoming obsolete" rather than asserting that it was finally obsolete. The obvious question is why did the writer assert that obsolescence of the old covenant was a process still ongoing at that time.

Also, the old covenant was always good only for precisely what it promised--which never did include eternal life.

I would argue that the old covenant certainly became fully obsolete with the destruction of the temple.

But for sure, the new covenant with its "better promises" was went into operation at the death of the Testator.

 

[Ligurian]

Eternal life is given to us by faith apart from works romans 4:5

Neither eternal life or the lake of fire is a reward.

John 3:16 =
Isaiah 24:4-5 The earth mourns, and the world is ruined, the lofty ones of the earth are mourning. And she has sinned by reason of her inhabitants; because they have transgressed the law, and changed the ordinances, even the everlasting covenant.LXX

John 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
John 17:6 I have manifested Thy name unto the men which Thou gavest Me out of the world: Thine they were, and Thou gavest them Me; and they have kept Thy word.

John 14:21 He that hath My commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me: and he that loveth Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him.

John 10:27-28 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any pluck them out of My hand.

John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on Me, believeth not on Me, but on Him that sent Me. 45 And he that seeth Me seeth Him that sent Me. 46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on Me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if any man hear My words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken of Myself; but the Father which sent Me, He gave Me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His Commandment is Life Everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the Commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 22:14-15 Blessed are they that do His Commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.KJV

The Gospel of the Kingdom is entirely about reward.

 

[Ligurian]

It can not be argued with support that the old covenant was still in effect.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. (ginomai = generated)
Matthew 24:34-35 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words shall not pass away.

Everlasting = OT owlam + NT aionios = perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well):--eternal, for ever, everlasting... time out of mind, world without end.

Genesis 17:13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with money shall be surely circumcised, and My covenant shall be on your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

Isaiah 24:5 And she has sinned by reason of her inhabitants; because they have transgressed the law, and changed the ordinances, even the everlasting covenant.

Isaiah 55:3 Give heed with your ears, and follow My ways: hearken to Me, and your soul shall live in prosperity; and I will make with you an everlasting covenant, the sure mercies of David.

Isaiah 61:7-10 Thus shall they inherit the land a second time, and everlasting joy shall be upon their head. 8 For I am the Lord who love righteousness, and hate robberies of injustice; and I will give their labour to the just, and will make an everlasting covenant with them. 9 And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring in the midst of peoples: every one that sees them shall take notice of them, that they are a seed blessed of God; 10 and they shall greatly rejoice in the Lord.

Jeremias 27:4-6 In those days, and at that time, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Juda together; they shall proceed, weeping as they go, seeking the Lord their God. 5 They shall ask the way till they come to Sion, for that way shall they set their face; and they shall come and flee for refuge to the Lord their God; for the everlasting covenant shall not be forgotten. 6 My people have been lost sheep: their shepherds thrust them out, they caused them to wander on the mountains: they went from mountain to hill, they forgot their resting-place.

Jeremias 38:31-41 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Juda: 32 not according to the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day when I took hold of their hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; for they abode not in My covenant, and I disregarded them, saith the Lord. 33 For this is My covenant which I will make with the house of Israel; after those days, saith the Lord, I will surely put My laws into their mind, and write them on their hearts; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to Me a people. 39:40 And I will make with them an everlasting covenant, which I will by no means turn away from them, and I will put My fear into their heart, that they may not depart from Me. 41 And I will visit them to do them good, and I will plant them in this land in faithfulness, and with all My heart, and with all My soul.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

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So there must be a different reason for why this happened:

Matthew 27:51-53 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after His resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Why were the graves opened, and they came out after His Resurrection? How does it make sense to anyone that this means the Law is finished, when the Law is co-eternal with the World that's controlled by the Law?

It is actually the defeat of the serpent which brought sin and death to the world. So that, Matthew 27:51-53 fulfills Genesis 3:15. In context, it also means that Jesus has become the Passover-Lamb/defender/advocate against the dragon... which will fight Michael, be cast down wounded...

 

[Ligurian]

If you are talking about the Tribulation, then yes, faith without works is indeed dead.

But now, we live in the grace dispensation, under Romans to Philemon.

Faith with Works = Built on the Rock

Matthew 7:21-25 Not every one that saith unto Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in Heaven. 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these words of Mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon the rock:

akouo = to hear, give audience to, hearken, understand.

Revelation 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

lambano = to take, to get hold of, accept, hold, obtain, receive.

John 14:15-17 If ye love Me, keep My Commandments and I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever: the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him; but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Revelation 3:8-11 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept My word, and hast not denied My name. 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

onoma = (a name) from the base of ginosko = a prolonged form of a primary verb; to "know" (absolutely) in a great variety of applications and with many implications (as follow, with others not thus clearly expressed):--allow, be aware (of), feel, (have) know(-ledge), perceived, be resolved, can speak, be sure, understand.

 

[Guojing]

Faith with Works = Built on the Rock

Matthew 7:21-25 Not every one that saith unto Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in Heaven. 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these words of Mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon the rock:

akouo = to hear, give audience to, hearken, understand.

Revelation 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

lambano = to take, to get hold of, accept, hold, obtain, receive.

John 14:15-17 If ye love Me, keep My Commandments and I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever: the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him; but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Revelation 3:8-11 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept My word, and hast not denied My name. 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

onoma = (a name) from the base of ginosko = a prolonged form of a primary verb; to "know" (absolutely) in a great variety of applications and with many implications (as follow, with others not thus clearly expressed):--allow, be aware (of), feel, (have) know(-ledge), perceived, be resolved, can speak, be sure, understand.

There are 3 time periods in which you should rightly divide the word of truth

Time past: Genesis to Acts
But now: Romans to Philemon
The age to come: Hebrews to Revelation

Faith without works is dead was true in time past, and will be true in the age to come.

 

[Guojing]

Neither eternal life or the lake of fire is a reward.

Eternal life is a GIFT conferred upon those who have reconciled with God ... and become a part of His family

John 10

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the GIFT of God is eternal life, through Christ Jesus, our Lord.

The lake of fire ... is a CONDEMNATION ... reserved for those who remain outside of God's family.

John 3

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Revelation 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

The sheep and the goat judgement at the end of the Tribulation, described in Matthew 25:31-46, did Jesus meant what he said there?

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.