American Teachers Resign Over Oddly Similar Circumstances...

[rjs330]

Many and everywhere.

Ah.. the old broad brush assumption. Come back to us when you have facts not simply unsupported accusations.

 

[tall73]

There’s a difference between being un/able to defend something and thinking it’s worth the effort. As I’ve explained to others elsewhere in the past, I try to be more selective in choosing my battles these days, because there are a number of subjects and a number of people whom I no longer think are worth the effort.

So I am for some reason on your not worth the effort list?

You provided the definition, and I asked you to clarify. It was not an unfair question.

Are you sure you didn't want to answer what are the "beliefs" of "white people" because you know it is a collection of stereotypes?

 

[rjs330]

The problem is racism the solution is stop being racist and believe people when they tell you they experience it. Instead of going straight to doubt like you do.

Doubt what?

 

[rjs330]

You don't assume it. You tell people (all people) that this is an entirely inbuilt and unconscious facet of our evolutionary past. It was handy back in the day and it still has some uses now. We need to be aware of it because it can result in us judging people on certain characteristics which are not relevant: skin colour, accent etc.

So if we're aware that that might be, or actually is happening, then we are aware of the problem and can deal with it.

And you're right. It lumps white people into the same pot. Because that pot includes literally everyone. Whatever your ethnicity, your background, your religion, your 'race', the colour of your skin, your accent - everyone is the same.

If I was a parent and someone wanted to introduce crt into my kid's school, I'd applaud it. But I'd be the first guy on his feet to put anyone straight who considered this a problem that was only relevant to one group.

As I said, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Don't demand that crt should be thrown out. Demand that it's taught correctly.

CRT is used as a club against white people. It's not a theory for nothing. It doesn't say blacks are just a racist as whites or Asians are as racist as whites etc. It says whites are the racists and they have put systems in place to keep oppressing backs because white are the bad people.

 

[VirOptimus]

CRT is used as a club against white people. It's not a theory for nothing. It doesn't say blacks are just a racist as whites or Asians are as racist as whites etc. It says whites are the racists and they have put systems in place to keep oppressing backs because white are the bad people.

Are white people oppressed in the US?

 

[Bradskii]

CRT is used as a club against white people. It's not a theory for nothing. It doesn't say blacks are just a racist as whites or Asians are as racist as whites etc. It says whites are the racists and they have put systems in place to keep oppressing backs because white are the bad people.

We've just looked at the fact that racism, unless it's within an overt supremacist group, is often a subconscious preference or bias. That said, it undoubtedly leads to situations where a smaller group will be disadvantaged by this. That's a given whichever country you examine. Whichever groups you consider.

Wherever in the world you look, you will find this. Chinese in Vietnam. The Vietnamese in Japan. Rohingya in Myanmar. Aborigines in Australia. Indians in South Africa. So you'd hear this same complaint wherever crt was examined. If it was being taught in Vietnam then it wouldn't concentrate on how racist the Chinese are (just as bad as the rest of us), it would concentrate on the problems they suffer as the minority group in an obviously predominently Vietnamese society.

So as I say, crt applies to all. And if my kid had this on her curriculum then I'd most definitely want that fact pointed out. But I wouldn't object in the slightest if the aim of the crt course was to explain how minorities in Australia are unfairly treated.

 

[rjs330]

There’s a difference between being un/able to defend something and thinking it’s worth the effort. As I’ve explained to others elsewhere in the past, I try to be more selective in choosing my battles these days, because there are a number of subjects and a number of people whom I no longer think are worth the effort.

ProTip: If you want to accuse me of spreading nonsense and you hope to have that accusation taken seriously, you would do well to proofread your comments before hitting the “Post Reply” button. I can decipher the gibberish in your first sentence, but the gibberish in the second sentence has me stumped.

Oh come now. Post 506? You were questioned about the belief in whiteness. And we're asked question about your belief in it. And refused to answer the questions.

So I guess to clarify, do you believe in the whiteness doctrine?

If so, why won't you clarify and defend it?

If you don't believe in it, then you can disregard defending it and answering the questions.

 

[rjs330]

Are white people oppressed in the US?

Are blacks oppressed in the US?

 

[rjs330]

We've just looked at the fact that racism, unless it's within an overt supremacist group, is often a subconscious preference or bias. That said, it undoubtedly leads to situations where a smaller group will be disadvantaged by this. That's a given whichever country you examine. Whichever groups you consider.

Wherever in the world you look, you will find this. Chinese in Vietnam. The Vietnamese in Japan. Rohingya in Myanmar. Aborigines in Australia. Indians in South Africa. So you'd hear this same complaint wherever crt was examined. If it was being taught in Vietnam then it wouldn't concentrate on how racist the Chinese are (just as bad as the rest of us), it would concentrate on the problems they suffer as the minority group in an obviously predominently Vietnamese society.

So as I say, crt applies to all. And if my kid had this on her curriculum then I'd most definitely want that fact pointed out. But I wouldn't object in the slightest if the aim of the crt course was to explain how minorities in Australia are unfairly treated.

One more time. CRT is not about racism in general. Or that racism exists in some people. It's about systems in place to oppress one race and support the oppressors which are if another race.

A subconscious preference has to be proven in each individual before you can accuse the INDIVIDUAL of racism. Since you cannot do that, then you cannot prove a group is racist.

CRT says whites are the racist group and blacks are the target of their racism. It's group think.

It condemns one race for being the racist oppressors. The entire group. All white people are racist.

You do NOT know my thoughts or my heart or my biases. And you have NO CLUE as to my subconscious ideas or bias. And you don't know about my kids either. So quit trying to indoctrinate them and convince them they are subconsciously racist.

 

[Bradskii]

You do NOT know my thoughts or my heart or my biases. And you have NO CLUE as to my subconscious ideas or bias.

The point that you have obviously missed is that if you have subconscious ideas or bias, then you don't have any clue about them either.

Don't you think that you may have some? Maybe you don't. Maybe it's just the rest of us.

 

[rturner76]

Ah.. the old broad brush assumption. Come back to us when you have facts not simply unsupported accusations.

WHy don't you come back when you are ready to believe people's personal experiences.

 

[rturner76]

Doubt what?

Doubt people's accounts of racism. People know when they are being treated differently. You seem to think that if it hasn't been proven in a court of law, no racism could have happened.

 

[iluvatar5150]

So I am for some reason on your not worth the effort list?

You provided the definition, and I asked you to clarify. It was not an unfair question.

You’re right, it wasn’t an unfair question. And this isn’t about you. If I recall correctly, your question to me came up in the context of me attempting to make a rather narrow point to somebody else - a point beyond which I was wary of becoming engaged with anybody.

Are you sure you didn't want to answer what are the "beliefs" of "white people" because you know it is a collection of stereotypes?

Positive.

 

[VirOptimus]

Are blacks oppressed in the US?

Just answer the question. Yes or no.

 

[Belk]

CRT is used as a club against white people. It's not a theory for nothing. It doesn't say blacks are just a racist as whites or Asians are as racist as whites etc. It says whites are the racists and they have put systems in place to keep oppressing backs because white are the bad people.

Where? Last I heard it was an academic theory not some sort of practical application model. So where is it being "used as a club"?

 

[Ana the Ist]

The fact that you are so defensive screams denial. Nobody (that's NOBODY) is immune to prejudice.

Your parents may have told you that racial discrimination is wrong. They may have also told you that you must accept personal responsibility for your own future. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps they said. Then you came across a group of people who appeared to lack the necessary drive to pull themselves up. Having been taught that all responsibility is personal you immediately assumed that this group was responsible for its own problems. Here we have the foundation of prejudice.

I don't know what your parents taught you or whether you fit neatly into the scenario I just outlined.

I do know that your understanding of intergenerational disdavantage is deplorable for someone who plays regularly in the field. Disadvantage can be economic or cultural, it can be current or historical and ,yes, it can be understated or overstated. A parent can have low expectations of a child because that parent and his/her parents and his/her parents before have been told they are worthless. Society manages to reinforce that self perception. Ghettoization means that contact is restricted to the disadvantaged group amplifying a culture which devalues itself. You can climb out of this pit but it takes a lot more effort and understanding than your average white child needs to put in.

There's nothing unusual about this situation although African Americans in the US are an extreme example. Its also a problem for First Nation peoples across the world along with peoples who were subjugated to colonial rule.

OB

In your previous post you defended the idea that I regularly defend racist ideas. I asked for an example...you didn't give one.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Of course you are unaware of a process which is unconscious. That's why we're pointing them out! So you can change them.

Wow...read the words carefully....

How do you know someone else's unconscious biases?

 

[rjs330]

WHy don't you come back when you are ready to believe people's personal experiences.

Come back to us when you have evidence that individual experiences prove systemic racism.

You have no evidence that what you say is true so why should we believe you?

 

[rjs330]

Doubt people's accounts of racism. People know when they are being treated differently. You seem to think that if it hasn't been proven in a court of law, no racism could have happened.

Where did I say that? Why are you still attempting to make me say something I didn't? Where on earth did I say racism doesn't exist unless proven in court?

This is a real problem with the left. No matter how often you say something they are dishonest about what you said.

 

[rjs330]

Just answer the question. Yes or no.

You answer the question. Yes or no.

By the way, was anyone claiming whites are oppressed?