I told you the body of Christ, denominations are really just man's way of separating themselves from others.
Do you go to church on Saturday?
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I told you the body of Christ, denominations are really just man's way of separating themselves from others.
I do as God commanded I rest, I do his will in it not mine and connect with him and learn his word. All the people that tell you your not able to keep the sabbath because a gazillion commandments were given that's man made regulations. God only commands you to rest, do no work, and keep it holy. The sabbath isn't a burden or against you like mixed up religion would have you believe, God said it was made for you.Do you go to church on Saturday?
I do as God commanded I rest, I do his will in it not mine and connect with him and learn his word. All the people that tell you your not able to keep the sabbath because a gazillion commandments were given that's man made regulations. God only commands you to rest, do no work, and keep it holy. The sabbath isn't a burden or against you like mixed up religion would have you believe, God said it was made for you.
You can even hold sabbath at home that's not against the commandment, you can praise God all day everyday, but there is a particular day he set-apart from the others.You started out this thread by asking; "What day are the body of Christ to worship on?". 99.9% of the time that means 'what day should we go to church on?'. If you're talking about worshipping outside of church on a personal basis, the answer is; every day.
You can even hold sabbath at home that's not against the commandment, you can praise God all day everyday, but there is a particular day he set-apart from the others.
Says man, I didn't get that memo where God my provider said I'm abolishing my commandments which are holy, just, and good. You can't abolish it, God's commandments are spiritual.Sounds like your question really should have been; "What day are the body of Christ to hold the sabbath on?". And the answer to that from 99% of the body of Christ, since there's been a body of Christ, is the body of Christ is not required hold or keep the sabbath law.
Says man, I didn't get that memo where God my provider said I'm abolishing my commandments which are holy, just, and good. You can't abolish it, God's commandments are spiritual.
Says man, I didn't get that memo where God my provider said I'm abolishing my commandments which are holy, just, and good. You can't abolish it, God's commandments are spiritual.
So you were there almost 2000 years ago and can assure me the body of Christ was keeping the first day holy, no you weren't there, I have a commandment all you have is man's tradition, my question was which day did God choose you haven't even given me one iota of scripture just your opinion. I want biblical proof of a commandment or anything stating the body of Christ kept the first day holy, let me save you some time it's not there. Also because most are doing it doesn't make it right in God's eyes, broad is the way that leads to destruction. Also one more thing, keeping the sabbath isn't a denomination as you state it's God's will.The memo is the Bible. . Which you've chosen to read differently than 99% of the body of Christ has from the beginning. Although since what you've posted is pretty much verbatim to other sabbatarians on CF, it's doubtful you've come up with anything original on your own. So you do belong to a religious denomination/doctrine known as sabbatarianism (specifically gentile Christian sabbatarianism).
So you were there almost 2000 years ago and can assure me the body of Christ was keeping the first day holy, no you weren't there,.
[ I don't think you do understand the new covenant, when Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments he didn't just mean one. Jesus quoted straight from torah, love God and your neighbor, and you say your supposed to abide to that yet you say torah commandments aren't given to the gentiles you make no sense it's a contradiction. Jesus didn't come to abolish his law he came to raise the standard.] (Matthew 5:27-28) 27 You have heard that it was said by them of old time, you shall not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, that whosoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart. [Sounds like Jesus is raising the standard to me.] (The Acts 15:19-20) 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the gentiles are turned to God: 20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollution of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. (Leviticus 17:10) And whatsoever man there be of the house of israel, or of the strangers [that's a gentile] that sojourn among you, that eats any manner of blood; I will even set my face against that soul that eats blood, and will cut him off from among his people.[ This clearly shows gentiles given torah, they were given baby steps as new believers because they didn't know torah and they didn't want to overwhelm them. You say torah is abolished I believe what God's word says his law is truth. What was wicked and an abomination to God in the old hebrew scriptures is still today and I will continue to walk in God's ways regardless of what you law abolishers tell me.]Acts of the Apostles 15:1-21
Romans 14:1-23
Colossians 2:16-23
Hebrews 8:1-13
No one is abolishing the commandments of the Torah.
But we understand the truth of Scripture, that the former covenant, with its stipulations and rules, does not apply to us. It was given to the children of Israel under the covenant God established with them at Mt. Horeb.
That is why Moses says, in Deuteronomy 5:1-5, that this Torah was given to them gathered at the mountain, not to any other people, not even to the fathers was the Torah given. It's why the Psalmist says only to children of Jacob were given the Torah (Psalms 147:19-20).
Abraham did not have the Torah, which is why when the angelic visitors come Abraham can, in good conscience, prepare a meal for them that isn't kosher (Genesis 18:7-8, compare with Exodus 23:19).
And we, the offspring of Abraham by faith in the Messiah, are like Abraham a people without the Torah; for we live in the covenant promises of Jesus Christ which He established by His own broken body and shed blood (Luke 22:20). This is why the Apostle makes his appeal to the faith of Abraham, to a faith before the giving of the Torah (Galatians 3:15-29).
Read your New Testament. It's all there. Just read it.
-CryptoLutheran
What day are the body of Christ to worship on? Do we keep God's commandment he said to remember or forget it? Are God's commandments no longer valid under new covenant? Did God change the day he sanctified the seventh day to the first day sunday or is it pick a day any day? Please use biblical evidence in scripture only to answer this.
[ I don't think you do understand the new covenant, when Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments he didn't just mean one. Jesus quoted straight from torah, love God and your neighbor, and you say your supposed to abide to that yet you say torah commandments aren't given to the gentiles you make no sense it's a contradiction. Jesus didn't come to abolish his law he came to raise the standard.] (Matthew 5:27-28) 27 You have heard that it was said by them of old time, you shall not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, that whosoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart. [Sounds like Jesus is raising the standard to me.] (The Acts 15:19-20) 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the gentiles are turned to God: 20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollution of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. (Leviticus 17:10) And whatsoever man there be of the house of israel, or of the strangers [that's a gentile] that sojourn among you, that eats any manner of blood; I will even set my face against that soul that eats blood, and will cut him off from among his people.[ This clearly shows gentiles given torah, they were given baby steps as new believers because they didn't know torah and they didn't want to overwhelm them. You say torah is abolished I believe what God's word says his law is truth. What was wicked and an abomination to God in the old hebrew scriptures is still today and I will continue to walk in God's ways regardless of what you law abolishers tell me.]
[ I don't think you do understand the new covenant, when Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments he didn't just mean one. Jesus quoted straight from torah, love God and your neighbor, and you say your supposed to abide to that yet you say torah commandments aren't given to the gentiles you make no sense it's a contradiction. Jesus didn't come to abolish his law he came to raise the standard.] (Matthew 5:27-28) 27 You have heard that it was said by them of old time, you shall not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, that whosoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart. [Sounds like Jesus is raising the standard to me.] (The Acts 15:19-20) 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the gentiles are turned to God: 20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollution of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. (Leviticus 17:10) And whatsoever man there be of the house of israel, or of the strangers [that's a gentile] that sojourn among you, that eats any manner of blood; I will even set my face against that soul that eats blood, and will cut him off from among his people.[ This clearly shows gentiles given torah, they were given baby steps as new believers because they didn't know torah and they didn't want to overwhelm them. You say torah is abolished I believe what God's word says his law is truth. What was wicked and an abomination to God in the old hebrew scriptures is still today and I will continue to walk in God's ways regardless of what you law abolishers tell me.]
[ I don't think you do understand the new covenant, when Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments he didn't just mean one. Jesus quoted straight from torah, love God and your neighbor, and you say your supposed to abide to that yet you say torah commandments aren't given to the gentiles you make no sense it's a contradiction. Jesus didn't come to abolish his law he came to raise the standard.] (Matthew 5:27-28) 27 You have heard that it was said by them of old time, you shall not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, that whosoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart. [Sounds like Jesus is raising the standard to me.] (The Acts 15:19-20) 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the gentiles are turned to God: 20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollution of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. (Leviticus 17:10) And whatsoever man there be of the house of israel, or of the strangers [that's a gentile] that sojourn among you, that eats any manner of blood; I will even set my face against that soul that eats blood, and will cut him off from among his people.[ This clearly shows gentiles given torah, they were given baby steps as new believers because they didn't know torah and they didn't want to overwhelm them. You say torah is abolished I believe what God's word says his law is truth. What was wicked and an abomination to God in the old hebrew scriptures is still today and I will continue to walk in God's ways regardless of what you law abolishers tell me.]
[ I don't think you do understand the new covenant, when Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments he didn't just mean one. Jesus quoted straight from torah, love God and your neighbor, and you say your supposed to abide to that yet you say torah commandments aren't given to the gentiles you make no sense it's a contradiction. Jesus didn't come to abolish his law he came to raise the standard.] (Matthew 5:27-28) 27 You have heard that it was said by them of old time, you shall not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, that whosoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart. [Sounds like Jesus is raising the standard to me.] (The Acts 15:19-20) 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the gentiles are turned to God: 20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollution of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. (Leviticus 17:10) And whatsoever man there be of the house of israel, or of the strangers [that's a gentile] that sojourn among you, that eats any manner of blood; I will even set my face against that soul that eats blood, and will cut him off from among his people.[ This clearly shows gentiles given torah, they were given baby steps as new believers because they didn't know torah and they didn't want to overwhelm them. You say torah is abolished I believe what God's word says his law is truth. What was wicked and an abomination to God in the old hebrew scriptures is still today and I will continue to walk in God's ways regardless of what you law abolishers tell me.]
Satan never deceived anyone into keeping God's commandments, but he does try to make you break them, why do think America was founded to get away from religious and civil persecution mainly from the roman catholic church who was persecuting everyone who did not follow their man fabricated false doctrine, the papacy tortured and killed millions in europe historians believe. You think God was going to let his holy word be lost in time, never, man might have twisted the truth of it but God's truth hasn't changed.Here's the difference: We understand that the New Testament was written for real, believing, worshiping communities of Christians. And that these communities of Christians lived in real history, and that they continued to be Christians even outside of what is written with ink on the paper of the Apostolic writings.
After Paul died, after Peter died, after the Apostles, one after another, lost their lives there continued to be Christians.
In Rome even after Peter had died, Clement wrote to the Church in Corinth, he wrote about 95 AD.
In Antioch we have the successor of Peter and Paul's ministery there, Ignatius continued that work. Ignatius was arrested, and then taken in chains to Rome where he faced martyrdom. He wrote seven letters along his prison journey, five to churches back east, one sent ahead to Rome, and one to his dear friend Polycarp.
Polycarp, bishop of Smyrna, everal decades later, likewise left us with some of his writings.
We have Justin, surnamed the Martyr, a Samaritan by birth, raised a Pagan by religion, and was a philosopher by study came to the truth of the Gospel, and became part of the same communities of Christians. Justin took his education in philosophy, rhetoric, and debate to become one of the earliest Christian apologists. Writing a detailed defense of the Christian faith against the false charges and misunderstandings of the Pagan world and Roman authorities--addressing his work directly to the emperor in Rome and the Senate itself.
So we have, in essence, two options available to us:
1. The Church which Christ Himself founded, and said not even the gates of Hades could stand against, and which He sent His Apostles out to preach His Gospel, and establish congregations of Christians around the known world (possibly going even as far as India). That is the historical context for why the New Testament even exists: Paul wrote letters to the various churches planted by the Apostles, and to individual Christians in those communities. The same with Peter, James, Jude, and John. And these churches held to the teaching of the Apostles, and continued to practice what they had received. And the Christianity we encounter immediately after the apostolic period is the same Christianity of the apostolic period. And so the witness of the early Church is credible.
2. The Church which Christ Himself founded, and said not even the gates of Hades could stand against immediately fell apart, and the apostolic preaching became lost. And the Christianity we have in the time immediately after the Apostles is a different Christianity, and we cannot trust the witness of the early Church. In which case not even the Bible itself is reliable, since the Bible is itself part of that early witness. The only reason you or I have a New Testament, have a Bible, is because of those Christians of those early centuries reading and confessing and passing on the Scriptures they themselves received.
If the Church cannot be trusted in even holding firm to the most rudimentary things of the Apostolic faith; then not even the Bible can be trusted, since it too is "tainted" by a faithless, apostate church.
Your "traditions of men" argument is empty rhetoric. It's what all false teachers say when they don't want to have to defend their positions against the overwhelmingly clear and solid witness of the Church.
It's quite clever in its own way, the devil delights in selling his lies under the thin plaster of religiosity and piety.
The best way to to befuddle a well-meaning Christian is to package false religion as "biblical". We know the devil is adept at quoting the Bible to suit his own diabolical purposes.
But the devil is a terrible exegete. This can be seen in how the false teachers and false preachers always laud "the Bible" and can speak proudly of "God"; but are deeply afraid of speaking of Christ in truth. And so they quietly dismantle the Bible, seeking to remove Christ from its pages. They speak of commandments, of sabbaths, of new moons, of what not to eat, of what not to wear, and of many very religious-sounding things, but "denying the power thereof" (2 Timothy 3:5).
Because true biblical devotion knows that the Scriptures proclaim Christ. And that the substance of all that is there is Christ. That Christ is the Word, and that the Bible proclaims Him, proclaims Him as the Word. So that the sabbaths, the new moons, the kosher laws, and all these things were shadows that pointed to the reality: Jesus Christ.
So, let me inquire this: Which is more holy, the Sabbath, or the day Christ rose?
Which is greater, Christ or the Sabbath?
-CryptoLutheran
Nice long study that still doesn't abolish God's commandments, and of course you were told to keep the sabbath, Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments plural, I'm sorry but man's fabricated doctrine doesn't get to erase commandments and choose what they want to do, man doesn't decide what righteous living is God most high does.
(Is the Sabbath really as important as Sabbatarians say in the NT?)
Introduction:
The word “sabbath” appears 60 times in the New Testament in the King James Bible. The word “love” appears 261 times in the New Testament (KJB). The word “charity” (love) appears 28 times in the KJB. This would be a total of 289 occurrences on the word “love” if we were to combine them together. While there may be more words on love, this helps to show us that the weekly Sabbath is not as important as the two greatest commandments (Which are based on love and runs contrary to Ellen G. White, and other Sabbatarians making it appear like the greatest command is the Sabbath). The variation on the word “gospel” appears 104 times in the King James Bible. Again, this is almost at the reach of double the amount we see for the word “sabbath.” The word “grace” appears 131 times in the NT (KJV). Note: This search was done by typing in the desired keywords followed by an asterisk symbol (*) at the following KJV search website here.
Liberty in what a Jewish person can do on the Sabbath Day:
(Pre-Cross):
(Jewish Ministry):
(Appearances of breaking the Sabbath):
(This includes an activity of exemption in profaning the Sabbath):
(Approx. 7 activities of liberty in regards to the Sabbath are mentioned):
(This suggests liberty of the Sabbath and not a stricter adherence to it):
- Matthew 12:1
- Matthew 12:2
- Matthew 12:5 (2 x) (Word sabbath mentioned two times).
- Matthew 12:8
- Matthew 12:10
- Matthew 12:11
- Matthew 12:12
- Mark 2:23
- Mark 2:24
- Mark 2:28
- Mark 3:2
- Mark 3:4
- Luke 6:1
- Luke 6:2
- Luke 6:5
- Luke 6:6
- Luke 6:7
- Luke 6:9
- Luke 13:10
- Luke 13:14 (2 x) (Two times for the word sabbath).
- Luke 13:15
- Luke 13:16
- Luke 14:1
- Luke 14:3
- Luke 14:5
- John 5:9
- John 5:10
- John 5:16
- John 5:18
- John 7:22
- John 7:23 (x 2) (two times for the word sabbath)
- John 9:14
- John 9:16
The purpose of the Weekly Sabbath was for a day of rest for man:
- Mark 2:27 (Sabbath was made for man and man was not made for the Sabbath) (x 2) (The word sabbath mentioned two times).
Future Prophecy:
The mention of the existence of the Sabbath as a calendar day
(But it is not mentioned as a commandment or Law under the New Testament):
- Matthew 24:20
Jesus Keeping the Sabbath (Pre-Cross):
(Jewish Ministry):
- Mark 1:21 (Jesus taught on the Sabbath in Jewish synagogue)
- Mark 6:2 (Jesus taught on the Sabbath in Jewish synagogue)
- Luke 4:16 (Jesus taught on the Sabbath in Jewish synagogue)
- Luke 4:31 (In Jewish city of Capernaum, Jesus taught Jewish people on their Sabbath days).
Jesus Work on the Cross Done Before Sabbath High Day:
(This Was Christ’s Unique Plan of Redemption For Mankind That No Man Can Do Himself):
- Mark 15:42 (Jesus work at the cross not done on the Sabbath)
- Luke 23:54 (Jesus work at the cross not done on the Sabbath)
- John 19:31 (Jesus work at the cross not done on the Sabbath) (2 x) (Word sabbath mentioned two times).
Side Note 1:
Please take note that Jesus did rise from the grave on the weekly Saturday Sabbath and ascended on Sunday to His Father (completing His plan of redemption for mankind). Jesus' work of the resurrection was a major work for mankind (Which was done on the weekly Sabbath). Granted, while Christ is our Heavenly High Priest and priests are exempt from priestly duties on the Sabbath, we are to walk in newness of life in the likeness of His resurrection (Romans 6:4-5). Meaning we can (walk) work on the Sabbath like Christ, too.
Side Note 2:
To learn more about my view of the timing of the Passion Week, check out this thread here.
Jewish People Merely Keeping the Weekly Sabbath Day (Pre-Cross):
(Note: Even the apostles said and did things sometimes without fully understanding God’s ways. One big example is that the apostles were unaware of the resurrection of Christ beforehand; In fact, Jesus rebuked two disciples for not knowing about Christ entering into His glory (resurrection and ascension) on the road to Emmaus - See: Luke 24:13-35).
- Matthew 28:1 (Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary)
- Mark 16:1 (Mary Magdalene, Mary, the mother of James, and Salome)
- Luke 23:56 (Jewish women from Galilee).
Time of When The Apostles Were Seeking to Evangelize Jews on Their Sabbath Day(s):
(Paul said he became a Jew so that he might win the Jews - 1 Cor. 9:20):
- Acts of the Apostles 13:14
- Acts of the Apostles 13:27
- Acts of the Apostles 13:42
- Acts of the Apostles 13:44
- Acts of the Apostles 16:13
- Acts of the Apostles 17:2
- Acts of the Apostles 18:4
Some Usefulness or Benefits of the Old Law:
(However, This Chapter is a Point Against Gentiles Keeping the Law of Moses and Circumcision; See: Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, and Acts of the Apostles 15:24):
- Acts of the Apostles 15:21 (It appears the focus here may potentially be evangelism) by the use of this word.
Jewish reference for a Sabbath Day Travel:
(Beginning of Early Church in Its Infancy):
(Meaning: The Church Had to Learn and Grow Still):
- Acts of the Apostles 1:12
Do Not Let Anyone Judge You According to Sabbath Days:
(This Suggests that the Weekly Sabbath Command Has Ended):
(For if the Weekly Sabbath was in effect, we would expect others to properly judge us for not keeping it):
- Colossians 2:16
Conclusion:
Not once do we see the word “sabbath” used as a command in the New Testament. Not once do we see the word “sabbath” (or a related word) used as a reference to a person being condemned or not keeping the “sabbath.” For there are no sins listed as sabbath breaking among the other list of sins that the apostle John and the apostle Paul mention in the New Testament. In fact, the largest list of the use of the word “sabbath” (as mentioned in this study) is in reference to activities in having a liberty in regards to the “sabbath.” (33 verses for approximately 7 liberties or actions done on the weekly Sabbath day). One would expect to find that if the Sabbath was as important as SDA's and Sabbatarians claim, there would be numerous examples in the New Testament of the necessity of keeping the weekly Sabbath command but it simply does not exist in the NT. Actually, the NT suggests the exact opposite in that the weekly Sabbath command is no longer binding upon believers under the New Covenant. For we cannot make assumptions that the Mosaic Laws that were given to the Jews under the Old Covenant applies to Gentile believers under the New Covenant. If there was ever a time to resolve the weekly Sabbath command issue, it should have been addressed to us at the Jerusalem council in Acts chapter 15 (But it wasn't). On the contrary, we learn that Gentile Christians are not under the Law of Moses (Which would naturally include the weekly Sabbath) (See: Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, and Acts of the Apostles 15:24). Christians also gathered on the first day of the week (Acts of the Apostles 20:6-7) (1 Corinthians 16:1-2), and nothing is said that they also gathered on the weekly Sabbath for brotherly and sisterly fellowship. The only time we see in the NT the apostles out and about on a weekly Sabbath was to evangelize others in missionary work. So in conclusion, the SDA or Sabbatarian view of the Sabbath in the NT is clearly not as they would hope it to be in their major focus of promoting the Sabbath. For me: Colossians 2:14-16, Romans 4:5, and Acts of the Apostles 15 stand as powerful testimonies against those who say we must keep the Mosaic weekly Sabbath command (Despite the Sabbatarians' odd interpretations on these verses). Just by looking at the usage of the word “sabbath” one can honestly come to the conclusion it is not in the way that SDAs and or Sabbatarians desire.
May the Lord's goodness shine upon you all.
With loving kindness to you all in Christ,
Sincerely,
~ BL. Highlighter.
Nice long study that still doesn't abolish God's commandments, and of course you were told to keep the sabbath, Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments plural, I'm sorry but man's fabricated doctrine doesn't get to erase commandments and choose what they want to do, man doesn't decide what righteous living is God most high does.
Another typical misunderstanding of (Colossians 2:16) taught in almost every sunday church, these are ceromonial feasts days and sabbaths, not the sabbath God sanctified, (Leviticus 23:32,37-38) explains this clearly, but alot of you new testament churches reject the old hebrew scriptures so you will never understand God's word. Also is abstaining from blood a old covenant law, yes, I gave you the verse and showed you that it is straight from torah, given to gentile new believers of messiah, which you say gentiles were never given torah that's false, you blatantly ignore the truth of God's word.If you were to read Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, and Acts of the Apostles 15:24, you would learn that the Gentiles were told that they did not have to keep the Law of Moses (i.e. the 613 Laws as a whole or contract). Yes, certain laws have been repeated into the New Covenant (or New Testament), but this would be the Moral Laws like do not murder, to do not covet, do not steal, etc.
Colossians 2:16 says we are not to let others judge us in regards to whether we keep the Sabbaths or not.
Romans 14:5 says some regard all days alike and others regard one day above another. Paul does not correct those who regard all days as being the same and tells them to keep the Saturday Sabbath. For the person who regards all days alike would be in error if the Saturday Sabbath Command was still in effect under the New Covenant. But Paul says let everyone be convinced in his own mind.
There are no Sabbath commands repeated in the New Testament anywhere. There is also no sin that says, “Sabbath breaking” listed among the other sins that the apostle John or Paul mention.
Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed.
We are under the Law of Christ (Galatians 6:2, Romans 8:2, and 1 Corinthians 9:21), and not the Law of Moses. For the Law came by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ (John 1:17).