Radical trans-activism is misogynistic at its core

[comana]

What is it that makes a transwoman a woman, in your opinion?

A trans woman has gone through psychological evaluation, committed to live as a women and is considering or gone through hormonal treatment and possibly surgery. A man who puts on a dress without any other action has no credibility as a trans woman. It is a process not solely a statement.

I would like to see legislation that addresses what can be legally considered for trans identity that goes beyond “I now identify as”.

 

[bekkilyn]

Trans women are raped and also need shelter. Those men are criminals and need to face prosecution and justice for their crimes.

As I have stated before, women and trans women need to advocate for better legislation to address safety while weeding out opportunistic men. The answer dies not equate to banning trans women in need.

Why does it fall to women put their own lives and safety aside to accommodate and advocate for the needs of these males identifying as women? Why aren't non-trans biological males expected to help and accommodate them and ensure their safety in some way considering that trans-"women" are a sub-set of male?

You are arguing for what you see *should* be while not acknowledging what is actually going on in the now. Real women have been abused, raped, murdered, and threatened for generations and yet women must put all that aside to coddle males who somehow think they know what it's like to be a woman and women just have to go along with it and accept because women are "sugar and spice and everything nice."

I've accepted that I can never be Chinese and yet somehow men just can't accept that they can never be women. It's not reality that we can be whatever we want if only we worked hard for it. Some things just aren't no matter how much we may desire them.

 

[public hermit]

Radical trans-activism promotes rigid, harmful (oftentimes sexual) stereotypes that define men and women.

A "trans woman" (who is in actuality a biological male) is defined as "woman" while a A "CIS" woman is a woman that conforms to the stereotypes designed for her. (Actual women who do not conform are either forced to become "non-binary" or are simply erased.)

Radical trans-activism allows and encourages biological males to define what a woman is and if actual women disagree, women are "cancelled", subjected to vulgarities from trans-"woman" to perform various actions on their intact sexual organs, or even receive death threats.

Women who don't support the delusion that women are simply a "feeling" that can be experienced by anyone are labeled as "TERFs" or "trans-phobic" or worse.

Radical transactivists are responsible for women losing sex-based rights, such as medical care specializing in female issues, or having the freedom to undress in their own locker rooms away from the male gaze, or even being able to participate in female-only sports. Now sports are becoming a male-only activity in which actual women are sometimes allowed to participate.

Actual women harmed by human trafficking and other forms of sex slavery are ignored as we are now to embrace the ideology that prostitution is "empowering".

Trans-radical males in drag make claims that they are more of a woman than actual women.

Trans-radicals claiming that they feel like women cannot seem to explain this feeling outside of (typically heterosexual) male fantasy versions of women that exist only in their own minds or media designed to cater to male sexual fantasy.

Many trans-"men" are trans out of a desire to escape the misogyny and often de-transition once they are past adolescence or young adulthood, and realize they had been lied to about having to be trans if they did not conform to the "feminine" or "CIS" ideal promoted by the radical trans movement and misogynists in general. Oftentimes they regret having messed themselves up with hormones and it takes a very long time, if ever, to regain what they lost.

Actual women are harassed and brutalized by males self-identifying as women in places that used to be women-only safe spaces but now must include fully-intact men lest such safe-spaces be sued for discrimination.

Actual women must accept not only derogatory labels such as "CIS" but are now relegated to being "menstruators" or "chest feeders".

Actual women must pretend that the emperor is wearing the best of clothes because they say that the emperor has no clothes, they will be stoned to death rather than the crowd seeing through the delusion as in the actual story.

Trans-radicalism is a misogynistic mens movement in the guise of feminism.

Actual feminism in which women and men are to be equal has been co-opted by "liberal feminism" which is all about trans rights.

Men who "feel like women" still largely exhibit the behavior that is typically exhibited by men regardless of how they are dressed or the amount of cosmetics they are wearing.

A trans woman is no longer to be defined as a biological male who identifies as a woman, but rather all are forced to pretend that a trans woman *is* a woman.

A "non-binary" is the 21st century term for the "not like other girls" of the 20th century. It's an attempt to escape the misogyny, but has no better degree of success. She's still not going to truly be accepted as "one of the boys".

I have to wonder how many of these males would "feel like women" if they were currently living in Afghanistan where they really could feel what it is actually like to be a woman in this world. It must be nice to be able to take off the "woman" costume whenever they feel like it or when being a woman is truly inconvenient or life-threatening. Actual women don't have that privilege.

This is unfortunate, but I don't think it's unexpected. Just because some dude starts doing his hair and checking his lipstick doesn't mean those deeply held assumptions of a "given superiority" don't come through. We're going through so many changes so fast, and a lot of groups who can be united against a common "enemy" still have a lot of work to do between themselves. Good luck!

 

[comana]

Why does it fall to women put their own lives and safety aside to accommodate and advocate for the needs of these males identifying as women? Why aren't non-trans biological males expected to help and accommodate them and ensure their safety in some way considering that trans-"women" are a sub-set of male?

You are arguing for what you see *should* be while not acknowledging what is actually going on in the now. Real women have been abused, raped, murdered, and threatened for generations and yet women must put all that aside to coddle males who somehow think they know what it's like to be a woman and women just have to go along with it and accept because women are "sugar and spice and everything nice."

I've accepted that I can never be Chinese and yet somehow men just can't accept that they can never be women. It's not reality that we can be whatever we want if only we worked hard for it. Some things just aren't no matter how much we may desire them.

Historically “non-trans” men aka men have advocated for themselves first. Trans women are not going to be supported by fragile men. Women and trans women have to fight for everything and any men who want join in support are welcome.

 

[bekkilyn]

See how easy it can be to change from a woman to a man nowadays?

(Warning: Use of f-word near the beginning of the video.)

 

[bekkilyn]

Historically “non-trans” men aka men have advocated for themselves first. Trans women are not going to be supported by fragile men. Women and trans women have to fight for everything and any men who want join in support are welcome.

And strangely (or not really so strangely), we have trans-"women" advocating for themselves first and expecting women to submit and cater to their needs.

And many women will do it because that's apparently just how women are socialized to be. Which is another thing that trans-"women" can never get and therefore do not and will not exhibit that behavior. In their male minds, they are not only entitled to have (own) women and to have what women have, but now feel like they are also entitled to be women and get upset when people don't go along with the delusion.

Just because men won't do something doesn't automatically mean that women are obligated to pick up the slack.

The trans-radicals have shown nothing but disdain, contempt, and hatred for actual women, and women's response shouldn't be, "Oh they don't really mean it" and just roll over and take the abuse because other men are abusing them. Maybe for just once, men need to be held accountable to solve their own problems.

 

[Norbert L]

I haven’t completely formed my opinion on trans women competing in sports. I understand the concerns however.

Sports is a small segment of trans issues, not insignificant to those affected, but sports are not the most important issue here.

What do you see as most important? The one that I believe should be at top of the list is allowing some parents to seek pre-adult medical drug therapy and/or procedures for their child if they think they are exhibiting trans like behavior.

 

[public hermit]

See how easy it can be to change from a woman to a man nowadays?

(Warning: Use of f-word near the beginning of the video.)

I have to say, I think I see the feminist's complaint: a transgendered woman is going to reap the benefits and few of the drawbacks of being a non-transgendered woman. It is not the same thing. Being a transgendered woman is something, and what that means in the wider context needs to be understood, whatever that is. But it would be strange for a newly "baptized" woman to all of the sudden claim the experience of those born as women. It seems obvious to me this was going to be an issue from the get go.

 

[comana]

And strangely (or not really so strangely), we have trans-"women" advocating for themselves first and expecting women to submit and cater to their needs.

And many women will do it because that's apparently just how women are socialized to be. Which is another thing that trans-"women" can never get and therefore do not and will not exhibit that behavior. In their male minds, they are not only entitled to have (own) women and to have what women have, but now feel like they are also entitled to be women and get upset when people don't go along with the delusion.

Just because men won't do something doesn't automatically mean that women are obligated to pick up the slack.

The trans-radicals have shown nothing but disdain, contempt, and hatred for actual women, and women's response shouldn't be, "Oh they don't really mean it" and just roll over and take the abuse because other men are abusing them. Maybe for just once, men need to be held accountable to solve their own problems.

“Trans women” is a women’s problem. You keep saying they are men and a man’s problem but that is an error. They are not accepted into the nans world and men won’t defend them. Why ask if men should be doing mire? Why not accept that to have change you have to make change. Don’t wait fir a man to do it. Do it.

Also, why are you stuck on the idea that trans women can only think like a man? We don’t completely understand what mental and or biological mechanisms cause gender dysphoria. They may well already think as a woman and that is the cause of the dysphoria.

 

[comana]

What do you see as most important? The one that I believe should be at top of the list is allowing some parents to seek pre-adult medical drug therapy and/or procedures for their child if they think they are exhibiting trans like behavior.

Minor children are certainly a high priority as to what we need to discuss and what we will legally allow. Any gender dysphoria diagnosis (I believe) needs to be carefully considered with a specialist physician and separately a specialist child psychologist. I also believe a truly gender dysphoric child could benefit from early intervention.

 

[Hans Blaster]

See how easy it can be to change from a woman to a man nowadays?

(Warning: Use of f-word near the beginning of the video.)[White-nationalist's video removed]

Why do you stoop so low to post videos from white nationalists?

 

[bekkilyn]

“Trans women” is a women’s problem. You keep saying they are men and a man’s problem but that is an error. They are not accepted into the nans world and men won’t defend them. Why ask if men should be doing mire? Why not accept that to have change you have to make change. Don’t wait fir a man to do it. Do it.

Also, why are you stuck on the idea that trans women can only think like a man? We don’t completely understand what mental and or biological mechanisms cause gender dysphoria. They may well already think as a woman and that is the cause of the dysphoria.

Trans-"women" are biologically male. They can never be female no matter how much they might think they want to be female. It is impossible for them to ever think like a woman because they are not, and have never been, and never will be a woman. It doesn't matter how much make-up they wear or if they prefer the color pink instead of blue or any other of the stereotypes that they uphold to try to "prove" their femaleness. They simply are not and cannot be female. They are males and can be nothing else. That's just the reality of it.

Their problems are not women's problems because they are not women. Identifying as a woman is not the same as *being* a woman no matter how much they want it and how much they try to terrorize and intimidate people into pretending it in order to appease them. You can't appease a bully, even if he is wearing a dress and earrings.

They can make change without infringing on the rights of women and other minority groups, but they refuse. They want all the male privilege that they are used to having from their birth and somehow be women too, and they are upset because they simply can't have it.

 

[bekkilyn]

Why do you stoop so low to post videos from white nationalists?

Does her white nationalism (which I don't support) invalidate the actual point of the video?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Does her white nationalism (which I don't support) invalidate the actual point of the video?

So you aren't going to answer my question.

Where are you looking for counter-information about trans-people that you find white nationalists?

 

[bekkilyn]

So you aren't going to answer my question.

Where are you looking for counter-information about trans-people that you find white nationalists?

So is the point of your argument here that it *isn't* actually that easy to get a legal ID that changes your sex?

Or are you really trying to send the discussion off on a tangent that is irrelevant to the topic? I don't particularly agree with religious fundamentalism either, but if they make a valid point on something, then I'm not necessarily opposed to bringing it up simply because I may disagree with much of the rest of their ideology. Who knows...maybe I'll even find a Trump quote to post the next time.

 

[bekkilyn]

It's funny how people are. I remember arguing with someone here in the past over how unbelievers view many Christians and posted an article from an Atheist source and the other person was so outraged. "How DARE you post an Atheist argument??! Are you even a Christian?"

I've had someone get angry with me in the past for using a Feminist source in an argument.

There is always going to be someone upset over something, but isn't it good to post articles and videos from a variety of sources, even those from people we wouldn't ordinarily agree, than to have them come from those who all share the same views on everything?

The trans radicals would have everyone believe that the only ones opposed to them are right-wing religious fundamentalists, and that they are only opposed due to religion, but the reality is that many feminists and progressives are also opposed to the idea that men can become women by thinking and feeling it into being, and that we're somehow "mean" if we don't go along with it, or in the case of actual women, sacrifice our own well-being and safety for the sake of men who wish to silence and erase us.

 

[RDKirk]

Well, in a debate forum I expect facts to move a discussion along. I did not dismiss any woman’s experience. All I’ve seen linked is women’s opinions.

So you are, in fact, dismissing the experiences of those women who gave their opinions.

 

[comana]

So you are, in fact, dismissing the experiences of those women who gave their opinions.

No, I’m asking for support for their opinions as opposed to just accepting them.

 

[Hans Blaster]

So is the point of your argument here that it *isn't* actually that easy to get a legal ID that changes your sex?

Or are you really trying to send the discussion off on a tangent that is irrelevant to the topic? I don't particularly agree with religious fundamentalism either, but if they make a valid point on something, then I'm not necessarily opposed to bringing it up simply because I may disagree with much of the rest of their ideology. Who knows...maybe I'll even find a Trump quote to post the next time.

Your response seems to be built upon the content of the video. I will not watch it. I will not give any clicks to an alt-right media site in a video featuring the work of a white nationalist.

Can you find no better sourcing for your arguments?

Where did you see this link?

 

[bekkilyn]

No, I’m asking for support for their opinions as opposed to just accepting them.

So you can easily accept the idea that men can become women just by feeling like one (as defined by said men) and yet an actual woman has to produce peer-reviewed journal articles, medical certification, 100,000 signatures from a poll, and the blessing of the Pope in order be believed?