Radical trans-activism is misogynistic at its core

[GOD Shines Forth!]

This thread is just a huge gish-gallop and can thus be summarily ignored.

Throwing in the towel, are we? I appreciate learning a new term (gish-gallop). Thanks.

 

[Nithavela]

Throwing in the towel, are we?

There's no sense in debunking a copy and pasted link when the only reaction you get from the poster is another copy and pasted link.

 

[bekkilyn]

Oh we like copy and pasted links then do we?

Well what about this one in which parents and teachers of age four are to affirm the four-year-olds chosen gender...or else!

Children are to wear the pants and have all the authority in families. It's insane!

 

[bekkilyn]

And what about this one in which we learn a 5'9" white guy can actually be a 6'5" Chinese woman. Yay!

And of course this one from the same channel in which college students have no clue how to tell the difference between a man and a woman. I hope none of them plan to go into medicine or veterinary science.

 

[bekkilyn]

I'm not even sure how it's possible to debunk the reality that biological sex is real, but then science denial can be pretty rampant in general on this forum.

 

[Sketcher]

Female Inmate Pregnant After Being Forced To Share Prison With Biological Men Claiming To Be Transgender; Corrections Department Denies [UPDATE]

Anyone with common sense knew this was going to happen. Those who chose to set it aside have a hand in this.

 

[bekkilyn]

Didn't I practically promise to post a Trump video on the issue? Well I found one! Wow, it's rare for me to agree with him, but you know what they say about stopped clocks.

 

[bekkilyn]

Of course another issue I didn't mention in my original post is that men are committing the violent crimes typical of male criminals and yet self-identifying as women, so it goes down in the legal records as *women* committing these crimes and thus falsely skewing the statistics.

I'm predicting in a couple of years someone using these false statistics to "prove" that women commit just as much of the same types of violent crimes as men.

Not to mention that every other statistic that used to be based on biological sex is also going to be contaminated by the gender delusion.

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

I'm not even sure how it's possible to debunk the reality that biological sex is real, but then science denial can be pretty rampant in general on this forum.

Science denial is so into denial that it's denying its denial.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Oh we like copy and pasted links then do we?

No. That was literally saying we *don't* like link after link without description of the content and source. (And no, YouTube is not the source, the channel is.)

So many links to ignore...

 

[Norbert L]

Minor children are certainly a high priority as to what we need to discuss and what we will legally allow. Any gender dysphoria diagnosis (I believe) needs to be carefully considered with a specialist physician and separately a specialist child psychologist. I also believe a truly gender dysphoric child could benefit from early intervention.

Transgender regret is a real thing. There's no diagnosis of predicting the future of a child's decisions later in life. To subject children to medical treatments with not knowing which child will and will not experience transgender regret subjects them to probable harm. Best let them wait to become an adult.

It's a road to hell is paved with good intentions scenario when the medical field thinks it has these answers.

 

[RDKirk]

No. That was literally saying we *don't* like link after link without description of the content and source. (And no, YouTube is not the source, the channel is.)

So many links to ignore...

With a bit of Googling you can find your own sources of information about some high-visibility lesbians and even more committed transexuals who have come to the same conclusion about radical transgender activism. Battle lines are being drawn.

 

[Hans Blaster]

With a bit of Googling you can find your own sources of information about some high-visibility lesbians and even more committed transexuals who have come to the same conclusion about radical transgender activism. Battle lines are being drawn.

Posting videos isn't discussion or debate. This is a "discussion and debate" board.

 

[Nithavela]

Oh we like copy and pasted links then do we?

No.

 

[bekkilyn]

Posting videos isn't discussion or debate. This is a "discussion and debate" board.

Except that you and a couple of others aren't even attempting to discuss or debate anything. Just responding with things like "no" or attempting to sidetrack the thread into something off-topic doesn't count as discussion OF the topic either.

It's not surprising. Whenever (actual) women speak out for our rights in some way, there are always those who will try various approaches in order to silence us from speaking or providing information. Now the current tactic is that "she's posting all wrong in a way I don't like" so needs to be shut down.

And for that matter, I have put in descriptions of what the videos were about, so the fact that they aren't the descriptions you demand or approve of seems to be your own issue. No one is forcing you to watch anything.

If the trans-radicals didn't use the approach of demanding their rights at the expense of women's rights, enjoying the fact that they are destroying rights of women, and all out waging war on women in general, perhaps there would be no need for threads like this one.

But as it is, it's the same old oppression of women in new packaging.

And what's even more sad and disturbing is that I've only been largely posting the "cleaner" links and videos because much of what comes out of the trans-radical movement in their hatred and contempt of actual women is so crude, vulgar, hateful, and criminal in their threats and descriptions of what they would like to do to the women they hate could never be posted here.

Like I said at the very beginning, if they really wanted to know what it's like to "feel like a woman" in this world, they might try feeling like one in Afghanistan because that's the closest they're going to ever be able to get. Real women don't have the privilege of taking off the costume whenever we please.

Woman is not a costume.

Woman is not a feeling.

 

[bekkilyn]

With a bit of Googling you can find your own sources of information about some high-visibility lesbians and even more committed transexuals who have come to the same conclusion about radical transgender activism. Battle lines are being drawn.

Yes, the trans-radicals are trying to erase and cancel lesbians too and they are getting the same abuse and threats because they are attracted to other biological women and not men identifying as women. Look at how many heterosexual men have lesbian fantasies and get mortally offended when lesbians reject them. A man deciding he's a woman and a lesbian too doesn't make him either one.

There have been groups forming all over the internet by such names as LGB drop the T because the LGB folks are sick of it too.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Except that you and a couple of others aren't even attempting to discuss or debate anything. Just responding with things like "no" or attempting to sidetrack the thread into something off-topic doesn't count as discussion OF the topic either.

When I saw this thread come up on the feed, I thought I might want to see the string of awfulness that it might trigger. I was not disappointed.

I responded on factual questions to see if I could sort out the problems of these "radicals" from what looked entangled in a general attack on transwomen and to keep the thread active in my notifications, since I don't follow this sub-forum. Even before posting, I wondered if it was a good idea. (It was not.)

It's not surprising. Whenever (actual) women speak out for our rights in some way, there are always those who will try various approaches in order to silence us from speaking or providing information. Now the current tactic is that "she's posting all wrong in a way I don't like" so needs to be shut down.

And this is exactly why I no longer care what you have to say. Whatever discussion might be had about radical activists who do things that make women (intentionally) uncomfortable or attack them rhetorically is pointless since you apparently reject any notion that transwomen have any claim to that gender identity.

And for that matter, I have put in descriptions of what the videos were about, so the fact that they aren't the descriptions you demand or approve of seems to be your own issue. No one is forcing you to watch anything.

Descriptions are nice, and appreciated, but the sourcing is important. I see people and logos, none of which I recognize in most of the videos. (I did recognize the Reuters logo and the former president in that one video.) You give no compelling reasons for us to engage with the videos and they make poor responses to posts, generally.

If the trans-radicals didn't use the approach of demanding their rights at the expense of women's rights, enjoying the fact that they are destroying rights of women, and all out waging war on women in general, perhaps there would be no need for threads like this one.

[MEGA SNIP]

You may have a point worth discussing, but so much of the comment and content you have provided is so wrapped in what seems like bigotry and the rejection of non-radicals that I see no reason to discuss it.

 

[bekkilyn]

When I saw this thread come up on the feed, I thought I might want to see the string of awfulness that it might trigger. I was not disappointed.

I responded on factual questions to see if I could sort out the problems of these "radicals" from what looked entangled in a general attack on transwomen and to keep the thread active in my notifications, since I don't follow this sub-forum. Even before posting, I wondered if it was a good idea. (It was not.)



And this is exactly why I no longer care what you have to say. Whatever discussion might be had about radical activists who do things that make women (intentionally) uncomfortable or attack them rhetorically is pointless since you apparently reject any notion that transwomen have any claim to that gender identity.



Descriptions are nice, and appreciated, but the sourcing is important. I see people and logos, none of which I recognize in most of the videos. (I did recognize the Reuters logo and the former president in that one video.) You give no compelling reasons for us to engage with the videos and they make poor responses to posts, generally.



You may have a point worth discussing, but so much of the comment and content you have provided is so wrapped in what seems like bigotry and the rejection of non-radicals that I see no reason to discuss it.

Well since you're quite obviously unwilling to discuss anything in *good* faith, you know what they say about doors and not letting them hit you on the way out. You didn't even come into the thread in good faith, so you're basically just trolling. Good try though.

 

[Norbert L]

One thing I try to be aware about from listening to people which affect their political dialogue. Both have there problems.
1) Facts don't care about feelings
2) Feelings don't care about those facts

The former can be condensed into the quote, "Lies, damned lies, and statistics". The latter leads people to flawed wording in statements such as I see in this part of your comment.

Why do you stoop so low to post videos from white nationalists?

What's wrong with being a white nationalist? Do black nationalists who have taken similar stands on these type of issues make it acceptable, because if that is a standard then it's judging people by the color of their skin. It's a big flaw that sinks important issues where both sides may start leaving a discussion.

Your response seems to be built upon the content of the video. I will not watch it. I will not give any clicks to an alt-right media site in a video featuring the work of a <snip> nationalist.

Now from my observation there is general problem with citing YouTube videos. Competence in wordsmithing and putting my comment into print on a forum. Condensing the talking points in a video into a reply is no easy task for many people.

In general, I share the same limitation you do from the other end of the stick when it comes to watching videos. To paraphrase your comment above, "Your response seems to be built upon the content of the video. I will not watch it. I will not give any clicks to an far-left media site in a video featuring the work of a CRT ideologue."

However I don't associate all YouTuber political activists as being unreliable no matter what they side with. The former mainstream methods of getting information to the broader public through media is slowly shrinking due to the internet and now they have to compete with privatized journalism for the ears of the voting public. Nevertheless I admit using them for my purposes can be chore. I also get to the point below with some threads but I do think some valid points have been made here and should be at thoughtfully considered.

This thread is just a huge gish-gallop and can thus be summarily ignored.

 

[Lain Iwakura]

All I’ve seen linked is women’s opinions.

... which is the testimony of their experience. So, you don't dismiss their experience, only the testimony of their experiences. Wonderful.