Radical trans-activism is misogynistic at its core

[Jay Sea]

I think the bathrooms are the very least of the problems. Before all this nonsense, actual transsexual people would just use whatever bathroom they wanted to use and no one would be the wiser, but trans radicalism has ruined everything for them too.

Perhaps an earlier intolerances radicalised them.
In LOve
Jay Sea

 

[JustSomeBloke]

Part of the solution is to have all toilet factifies as single cubicles complete with basins and mirrors. then everyone is free to use them. Or we have CIS Men and CIS Women and Men Others. Women Others and Others
In LOve
Jay Sea

I suspect that many trans-women would absolutely hate your proposal. The reason is that many trans-women want the men/women distinction to remain, because then they feel validated as a woman by using women's bathroom facilities. Same applies to wearing women's clothing and competing in women's sports. If you take away all the distinctions, then trans-women would be denied the ability to make themselves feel feminine by accessing all the things provided for biological women.

 

[Jay Sea]

Sure, but the problem is that they feel entitled to that safety at the expense of women's safety. Rather than creating their own safe spaces, they have decided they are entitled to take it from others. It's male entitlement at it's finest and yet they claim to be women.

Trans rights are not the same as women's rights. And for the record, women experience much more risk of violence for a much longer time (thousands of years in fact in every part of the world), not because of an obscure "feeling" that we can put on or take off whenever we need to, but because of our *sex*. And that goes for trans "men" too. Do you think the Taliban plans to check which "gender" a woman identifies as before she gets forcefully married off and raped now in Afghanistan? Nope, somehow they are able to determine who the females are just like most people who haven't fallen for the gender delusion.



Plenty of evidence out there as well as statements and stories from de-transitioned or de-transitioning trans men to find. Not even remotely hard to find, though you'll find that many of them have also experienced threats from the trans radicals for having the audacity to talk about their experiences in public.

It used to be that girls could enjoy playing with trucks and plastic army men and still be girls. Now they have to be trans or "non binary" (like that somehow doesn't define every human being) and aren't allowed to be girls because girls only like to play with dolls and be princesses. It's crap.

AS a society we should create safe space for everyone. As Christians we should be leaders in this. Unfortunately politics which is a taboo in a way should be central in church sermons as it is there that social justice is to be articulated by just solutions.
In LOve
Jay Sea

 

[bekkilyn]

Perhaps an earlier intolerances radicalised them.
In LOve
Jay Sea

I suspect that a great number of the radicals aren't even actually trans (and many of those claiming to be trans aren't even making any effort to "pass") but are using the movement for their own ends.

 

[Jay Sea]

I suspect that many trans-women would absolutely hate your proposal. The reason is that many trans-women want the men/women distinction to remain, because then they feel validated as a woman by using women's bathroom facilities. Same applies to wearing women's clothing and competing in women's sports. If you take away all the distinctions, then trans-women would be denied the ability to make themselves feel feminine by accessing all the things provided for biological women.

I agree but how do we please everybody. In love perhaps by coming together a solution can be found. Many years ago in another country I was a Christian marriage councillor and a counselling was set up in the town for homosexuals and there was an invitation to visit their centre. I was the only one who accepted their invitation. out of that visit I got someone in that community that I could discuss cases as scenarios without revealing names or any identifying clues on any cases that could cross my path, with the firm statement that I would not refer them on. It worked well. Talk und understanding helps.
In LOve
Jay Sea

 

[comana]

Sure, but the problem is that they feel entitled to that safety at the expense of women's safety. Rather than creating their own safe spaces, they have decided they are entitled to take it from others. It's male entitlement at it's finest and yet they claim to be women.

Trans rights are not the same as women's rights. And for the record, women experience much more risk of violence for a much longer time (thousands of years in fact in every part of the world), not because of an obscure "feeling" that we can put on or take off whenever we need to, but because of our *sex*. And that goes for trans "men" too. Do you think the Taliban plans to check which "gender" a woman identifies as before she gets forcefully married off and raped now in Afghanistan? Nope, somehow they are able to determine who the females are just like most people who haven't fallen for the gender delusion.



Plenty of evidence out there as well as statements and stories from de-transitioned or de-transitioning trans men to find. Not even remotely hard to find, though you'll find that many of them have also experienced threats from the trans radicals for having the audacity to talk about their experiences in public.

It used to be that girls could enjoy playing with trucks and plastic army men and still be girls. Now they have to be trans or "non binary" (like that somehow doesn't define every human being) and aren't allowed to be girls because girls only like to play with dolls and be princesses. It's crap.

Look, I am a woman which is why I am sympathetic to the plight of trans women. I do not feel in any way that them asking for access as women is endangering me at all.

Women’s struggles throughout the world is a worthy discussion but it does not need to happen at the expense of trans women.

women just need to continue to band together and fight for the respect we have a right to as equal humans to men. We do not need to throw trans women under the bus to do so.

All trans persons have a voice and their own stories. It is a disservice to pick and choose the ones we may sympathize with the most and blanket theirs across all others. There will be those who regret their decisions and those who feel they are saved by it. Let the individuals speak for themselves.

I don’t buy that children are pressured in any significant numbers to identify as trans. Any parent that does so, however, needs someone to intervene.

I hated being told that girls play with dolls and boys don’t but me and my friends (boys and girls) generally didn’t abide by adults ideas regarding play. I would advocate to leave children be. Let them dress up or climb trees or play with dolls or cars and trucks. Stop dressing girls in pink or boys in blue as some sort of rule.

Perhaps the misguided who are not really trans will feel comfortable as a boy who isn’t rough and tumble or a girl who is if we take inherent gender out of play and let them do as they choose.

 

[bekkilyn]

I suspect that many trans-women would absolutely hate your proposal. The reason is that many trans-women want the men/women distinction to remain, because then they feel validated as a woman by using women's bathroom facilities. Same applies to wearing women's clothing and competing in women's sports. If you take away all the distinctions, then trans-women would be denied the ability to make themselves feel feminine by accessing all the things provided for biological women.

And see this is good example of how trans women really have no clue what it means to "feel like a woman" since "feeling feminine" is not the same as "feeling like a woman". It is impossible for a biological male to ever truly feel like a woman because they have never been one and never will be one. I feel compassion for those who are truly transsexual with real gender dysphoria, but it doesn't make the above any less true and it's not helpful for 99% of the rest of society to pretend that we can all just be whatever we feel like being and that biological sex doesn't exist.

 

[Norbert L]

Aside from your own negative opinions of trans women, do you have anything to back up these assertions?

Reality.

Caitlyn Jenner who had previously been an advocate for trans women to participate in women's sports has switched positions. Why?

It's being noticed in the states who have made it mandatory for schools to allow trans girls to compete in female sports, they can dominate the winner circle.

There is no medical procedure available to fully transform the human body from one sex to its' opposite so that the two become truly equal on a physiologically level. There are only treatments that create cosmetic changes that visually lead people to believe it's possible for a man to become a physical woman or a woman to become a physical man.

It's an ethical hell hole for trans rights because many conservatives agree that community has historically been treated like crap. That government needs to insure their freedoms as well, however not at the expense of another group of definable people.

 

[bekkilyn]

Look, I am a woman which is why I am sympathetic to the plight of trans women. I do not feel in any way that them asking for access as women is endangering me at all.

Maybe you haven't been traumatized by rape by a biological male and yet are expected to bed down next to a biological male self-identifying as a woman in a shelter, or have one in your female-only rape support group. Perhaps you've never been a female prisoner having to share space with a known biologically male sexual predator who just got transferred to the women's prison because he self-identified as a woman. Maybe you're not a 13 year old girl forced to undress in front of the biologically male "trans" boy who is there waving his male parts at her and yet if she complains, it is she who is considered the problem.

Women’s struggles throughout the world is a worthy discussion but it does not need to happen at the expense of trans women.

And yet their demands must happen at the expense of women. Once again, women are expected to put men's issues and mens' supposed needs before their own.

women just need to continue to band together and fight for the respect we have a right to as equal humans to men. We do not need to throw trans women under the bus to do so.

And yet if women's needs conflict in any way with the needs of trans women, women are expected to be accommodating and put aside their needs and their own safety for the desires of men.

All trans persons have a voice and their own stories. It is a disservice to pick and choose the ones we may sympathize with the most and blanket theirs across all others. There will be those who regret their decisions and those who feel they are saved by it. Let the individuals speak for themselves.

If they weren't demanding access to women's safe spaces and doing everything they can to make sure that women can't say "no" to them, and if they weren't redefining what a woman is to suit themselves and their own fantasies, and sending rape and death threats to (primarily) women who disagree, then there would be much less need to be discerning.

I don’t buy that children are pressured in any significant numbers to identify as trans. Any parent that does so, however, needs someone to intervene.

Who is going to intervene? Such intervention is now considered to be child abuse.

I hated being told that girls play with dolls and boys don’t but me and my friends (boys and girls) generally didn’t abide by adults ideas regarding play. I would advocate to leave children be. Let them dress up or climb trees or play with dolls or cars and trucks. Stop dressing girls in pink or boys in blue as some sort of rule.

Perhaps the misguided who are not really trans will feel comfortable as a boy who isn’t rough and tumble or a girl who is if we take inherent gender out of play and let them do as they choose.

That's the past. This is the now. Do a bit more research. Look up "peak trans". Hear the stories of those who have de-transitioned. Do a search for the undergarments some parents are getting for their "trans" infants. (Posting it here would be against the TOS.) It's all there.

I was where you are once. Not anymore.

 

[comana]

Caitlyn Jenner who had previously been an advocate for trans women to participate in women's sports has switched positions. Why?

It's being noticed in the states who have made it mandatory for schools to allow trans girls to compete in female sports, they can dominate the winner circle.

There is no medical procedure available to fully transform the human body from one sex to its' opposite so that the two become truly equal on a physiologically level. There are only treatments that create cosmetic changes that visually lead people to believe it's possible for a man to become a physical woman or a woman to become a physical man.

It's an ethical hell hole for trans rights because many conservatives agree that community has historically been treated like crap. That government needs to insure their freedoms as well, however not at the expense of another group of definable people.

I haven’t completely formed my opinion on trans women competing in sports. I understand the concerns however.

Sports is a small segment of trans issues, not insignificant to those affected, but sports are not the most important issue here.

 

[comana]

Maybe you haven't been traumatized by rape by a biological male and yet are expected to bed down next to a biological male self-identifying as a woman in a shelter, or have one in your female-only rape support group. Perhaps you've never been a female prisoner having to share space with a known biologically male sexual predator who just got transferred to the women's prison because he self-identified as a woman. Maybe you're not a 13 year old girl forced to undress in front of the biologically male "trans" boy who is there waving his male parts at her and yet if she complains, it is she who is considered the problem.



And yet their demands must happen at the expense of women. Once again, women are expected to put men's issues and mens' supposed needs before their own.



And yet if women's needs conflict in any way with the needs of trans women, women are expected to be accommodating and put aside their needs and their own safety for the desires of men.



If they weren't demanding access to women's safe spaces and doing everything they can to make sure that women can't say "no" to them, and if they weren't redefining what a woman is to suit themselves and their own fantasies, and sending rape and death threats to (primarily) women who disagree, then there would be much less need to be discerning.



Who is going to intervene? Such intervention is now considered to be child abuse.



That's the past. This is the now. Do a bit more research. Look up "peak trans". Hear the stories of those who have de-transitioned. Do a search for the undergarments some parents are getting for their "trans" infants. (Posting it here would be against the TOS.) It's all there.

I was where you were once. Not anymore.

I’m not going to address all of this. It is mostly rare or hyperbole.

Most women will be sexually assaulted, myself included. The distraction is trans women. The need is to address women not being seen or accepted as equal to men and giving all women a voice and getting the world to take that voice seriously.

When I read all this opinion pieces I heard women putting the blame on trans women’s movement what rightfully needs to be set firmly on the laps of the offending men.

 

[bekkilyn]

I’m not going to address all of this. It is mostly rare or hyperbole.

There was a time when I would have argued the same.

Most women will be sexually assaulted, myself included. The distraction is trans women. The need is to address women not being seen or accepted as equal to men and giving all women a voice and getting the world to take that voice seriously.

The trans radical movement doesn't give a flying flip about women's rights or women's voices, so good luck with that need ever getting addressed.

When I read all this opinion pieces I heard women putting the blame on trans women’s movement what rightfully needs to be set firmly on the laps of the offending men.

The trans radicals ARE the offending men.

(Note that not every trans person is a trans radical. Trans people who stand against this movement are abused, silenced, and cancelled too.)

 

[comana]

There was a time when I would have argued the same.



The trans radical movement doesn't give a flying flip about women's rights or women's voices, so good luck with that need ever getting addressed.



The trans radicals ARE the offending men.

(Note that not every trans person is a trans radical. Trans people who stand against this movement are abused, silenced, and cancelled too.)

Radical movements like these tend to scream loudly, but aside from the noise do they really have the teeth? I am skeptical. Why? Because the “anti” groups also scream loudly and cherry pick reports of those behaving badly to “highlight” how bad said movement is.

 

[bekkilyn]

Radical movements like these tend to scream loudly, but aside from the noise do they really have the teeth? I am skeptical. Why? Because the “anti” groups also scream loudly and cherry pick reports of those behaving badly to “highlight” how bad said movement is.

If all they did was scream and it didn't have actual real-world consequences....

Canada's oldest rape crisis center loses city funding because it bans trans 'women' - LifeSite

 

[bekkilyn]

 

[bekkilyn]

Ah the irony!

Vancouver opens facility for transgender persons only after pulling funds from women's crisis center for 'transphobia'

 

[comana]

If all they did was scream and it didn't have actual real-world consequences....

Canada's oldest rape crisis center loses city funding because it bans trans 'women' - LifeSite

Trans women are raped and also need shelter. Those men are criminals and need to face prosecution and justice for their crimes.

As I have stated before, women and trans women need to advocate for better legislation to address safety while weeding out opportunistic men. The answer dies not equate to banning trans women in need.

 

[comana]

This is just more hyperbole. Any patient can refuse a provider for any reason.

 

[Gregorikos]

Women’s struggles throughout the world is a worthy discussion but it does not need to happen at the expense of trans women.

women just need to continue to band together and fight for the respect we have a right to as equal humans to men. We do not need to throw trans women under the bus to do so.

What is it that makes a transwoman a woman, in your opinion?

 

[bekkilyn]

It beggars belief that a trans YouTube star, arrested for allegedly raping his own mother, will be jailed with women inmates