THE LORD'S DAY IS NOT SUNDAY!

[Root of Jesse]

Is this not correct? Is the Catholic version of God's Ten not correct on the left?
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Well, you're comparing a Bible (yet not a Bible...) to the Catechism, so it is correct. But the Bible holds the commandments, and they haven't changed. But they are not numbered in the Bible, are they?
So our numbering system, which came long before your numbering system, is different.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Well, you're comparing a Bible (yet not a Bible...) to the Catechism, so it is correct. But the Bible holds the commandments, and they haven't changed. But they are not numbered in the Bible, are they?
So our numbering system, which came long before your numbering system, is different.

It's not just the numbering that is different. No one should be tampering with God's laws period. God wrote them only God can change them.

 

[Root of Jesse]

The Catholic church did not write the New Testament.

No, the apostles and disciples wrote it. But the Catholic Church defined what was, and wasn't the New Testament.

Some priests did translate some of the canons with guidance of the Holy Spirit. If Sunday was a day God wanted to be in the New Testament as His new holy day there would be scripture stating this. As of yet, no one has provided scripture that the 4th commandment is deleted from God's covenant of Ten Commandments and there is a new holy day to worship Jesus. This change did occur by the Roman Catholic church, but they admit freely it did not come from scriptures.

I must also comment, your wording of the Commandments is not the wording that's in the Bible...

The last thing you might want to remember is that we know that the Word of God isn't Scripture alone. It doesn't even claim, itself, to be the only word of God.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Why would I want to do that when on the New Earth the Sabbath day will continue to be God's chosen day of worship. Isaiah 66:23. Plus there is no where in scripture that God tells us to keep holy or worship Him on the first day. He said that is a day to do our work and labor Exodus 20:9

Ignoring Revelation which says they were in the Spirit on the Lord's Day (Sunday)...

 

[Root of Jesse]

There is a lot more to the story on the history of the canons and the Catholic church's involvement but we are way off topic.

Credit for the scriptures goes to the Holy Spirit since it is God's Word.

Yeah, the Holy Spirit leading the Church to discern what was, and what wasn't, God's Word.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Ignoring Revelation which says they were in the Spirit on the Lord's Day (Sunday)...

Which does not say the first day

God defined the day that is sacred to Him very clearly and He said there is only one day, not two. God never said this about the first day.

Exodus 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God
Isaiah 5:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight, The holy day of the Lord honorable,
Mark 2:28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

God said this about the first six day which includes Sunday Exodus 20:9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,

 

[Root of Jesse]

I know they did not have Bibles, it's called the dark ages and the Catholic church was part of the reason. We are getting very off topic perhaps another thread on the history and dark ages era?

The Holy Spirit is not going to go against a commandment of God. The Holy Spirit is to help us obey, not disobey. John 14:15, Acts 5:32

Tell me, how would they have printed the Bible back in the "Dark Ages"? And who would be there to read it, considering how the world was mostly illiterate?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Yeah, the Holy Spirit leading the Church to discern what was, and what wasn't, God's Word.

No, no, no. God said His Word is pure and not to change one Word, ESPECIALLY A COMMANDMENT OF GOD that God PERSONALLY wrote.

This is what God tells happens if we change any of His Words:

Proverbs 30: 5 Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
6 Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

We are given the Holy Spirit to help us obey God's commandment John 14:15-18, Acts 5:32.

The Catholic church is not above God, they have no business tweaking the Words of our Savior. The pope cannot save, only Jesus our Creator and Redeemer.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Which does not say the first day

God defined the day that is sacred to Him very clearly and He said there is only one day, not two. God never said this about the first day.

Exodus 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God
Isaiah 5:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight, The holy day of the Lord honorable,
Mark 2:28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

God said this about the first six day which includes Sunday Exodus 20:9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,

Yes, the seventh day, God "rested" from his labor. It doesn't say anything about worship. It says don't do work.
We worship the Lord on His Day, the day of the sun.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Tell me, how would they have printed the Bible back in the "Dark Ages"? And who would be there to read it, considering how the world was mostly illiterate?

Jesus told us to spread the Word not confiscate Bibles and persecute Christians. The Catholic church was trying to control the narrative but God's Word prevailed and it will again in the end. The pure Word of God and God's true holy Sabbath day that started from Creation Genesis 2:1-3 and continues for eternity as promised by our Savior Isaiah 66:23 will once again soon prevail.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Yes, the seventh day, God "rested" from his labor. It doesn't say anything about worship. It says don't do work.
We worship the Lord on His Day, the day of the sun.

You're splitting hairs. The commandment is to Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy. Exodus 20:8. Sunday is not a day God made holy, blessed, sanctified or is called the holy day of the Lord. This is only said about the seventh day Sabbath. Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13

 

[Root of Jesse]

No, no, no. God said His Word is pure and not to change one Word, ESPECIALLY A COMMANDMENT OF GOD that God PERSONALLY wrote.

This is what God tells happens if we change any of His Words:

Proverbs 30: 5 Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
6 Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

We are given the Holy Spirit to help us obey God's commandment John 14:15-18, Acts 5:32.

The Catholic church is not above God, they have no business tweaking the Words of our Savior. The pope cannot save, only Jesus our Creator and Redeemer.

So, it doesn't say not to change one word. It says do not add to His words.
Who is saying the Catholic Church is above God? Who is tweaking anything? Who says the Pope can save? Where is this malarky coming from? But from your excerpt, you are tweaking the words of the Commandments.
But before the canon of the Bible was decided, there was no New Testament. It was fragmented until the Church put it together. And for some reason, the apostles kept the Sabbath and worshiped the Lord on Sunday. We know this from the same sources which gave us the canon of Scripture.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So, it doesn't say not to change one word. It says do not add to His words.
Who is saying the Catholic Church is above God? Who is tweaking anything? Who says the Pope can save? Where is this malarky coming from? But from your excerpt, you are tweaking the words of the Commandments.
But before the canon of the Bible was decided, there was no New Testament. It was fragmented until the Church put it together. And for some reason, the apostles kept the Sabbath and worshiped the Lord on Sunday. We know this from the same sources which gave us the canon of Scripture.

You're spitting hairs again. When the Roman Catholic church transferred the holy day of the Lord thy God from Saturday to Sunday that is adding to His Word.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Jesus told us to spread the Word not confiscate Bibles and persecute Christians. The Catholic church was trying to control the narrative but God's Word prevailed and it will again in the end. The pure Word of God and God's true holy Sabbath day that started from Creation Genesis 2:1-3 and continues for eternity as promised by our Savior Isaiah 66:23 will once again soon prevail.

Prove that the Catholic Church confiscated Bibles and persecuted Christians. How do you persecute Christians when you, yourself, are the only Christians of the time?

 

[Root of Jesse]

You're splitting hairs. The commandment is to Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy. Exodus 20:8. Sunday is not a day God made holy, blessed, sanctified or is called the holy day of the Lord. This is only said about the seventh day Sabbath. Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13

So the question is not whether you keep it holy, but how you keep it holy. I see. We believe Jesus made Sunday holy by His resurrection.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So, it doesn't say not to change one word. It says do not add to His words.
Who is saying the Catholic Church is above God? Who is tweaking anything? Who says the Pope can save? Where is this malarky coming from? But from your excerpt, you are tweaking the words of the Commandments.
But before the canon of the Bible was decided, there was no New Testament. It was fragmented until the Church put it together. And for some reason, the apostles kept the Sabbath and worshiped the Lord on Sunday. We know this from the same sources which gave us the canon of Scripture.

No, there is no scripture stating the Apostles went to church on the first day. Nothing. Just like the statues that were once pegan gods did not all of the sudden become the Apostle Paul or John.

 

[Root of Jesse]

You're spitting hairs again. When the Roman Catholic church transferred the holy day of the Lord thy God from Saturday to Sunday that is adding to His Word.

Who transferred anything? Only the apostles could have done that. You believe the apostles to be God's chosen, don't you?

 

[Root of Jesse]

No, there is no scripture stating the Apostles went to church on the first day. Nothing. Just like the statues that were once pegan gods not all of the sudden the Apostle Paul or John.

I didn't say they went to church. I said they worshiped Jesus. He entered the upper room on Sunday. He appeared to the disciples on the road to Emmaus on Sunday. He returned for Thomas to believe in Him on Sunday. The apostles also observed the Sabbath, we're also told.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Who transferred anything? Only the apostles could have done that. You believe the apostles to be God's chosen, don't you?

Where is the scripture that says the Apostles transferred God's holy day? There is none. We show the apostles telling us we ought to obey God over man Acts 5:29, Paul telling us to obey the commandments of God which includes the 4th commandment 1 Cor 7:19 and going to Temple like Jesus on the Sabbath as it was their custom. Luke 4:16, Acts 18:4.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I didn't say they went to church. I said they worshiped Jesus. He entered the upper room on Sunday. He appeared to the disciples on the road to Emmaus on Sunday. He returned for Thomas to believe in Him on Sunday. The apostles also observed the Sabbath, we're also told.

There are 8 verses in the entire bible regarding the first day and none of them say the Sabbath commandment is deleted and now there is a new holy day. This is a tradition of man and not a commandment of God and Jesus warned us about this very thing. Matthew 15:3-9