THE LORD'S DAY IS NOT SUNDAY!

[1an]

Here it is for context

James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

This is a direct quote from the Ten Commandments.

Seeing as it is impossible to keep the whole law, then we are all dead in trespasses and sin. CONDEMNED
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[1an]

The difference regarding Sabbath worship and Sunday worship, keeping the Sabbath holy is a commandment of God. Exodus 20:8-11 and its the only day in the entire Bible where God tells us it is the holy day of the Lord Isaiah 58:13. Sunday worship is not a commandment of God, God tells us to do all our work on day 1-6 but to set apart the seventh day to keep holy. Jesus warned us to keep the commandments of God over traditions of men Matthew 15:3-9 and the whole point is following our Savior who also kept the Sabbath Luke 4:16 so this one seems really easy to me.

The difference is that Christians worship Jesus on the LORD'S DAY, Jesus is LORD, while others worship the god of the scribes and Pharisees on their Sabbath. If you do not know who the god of the scribes and Pharisees is, read John 8:44.
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[Servus]

Here it is for context

James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

This is a direct quote from the Ten Commandments.

Here it is for context

James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

The ten commandments are a part of the law, not the whole law.

 

[Lost4words]

You need to read the whole passage for context. This is not saying to obey traditions over commandments of God. Sunday worship was never a tradition or taught in scripture nor is it a commandment of God.

1 Thes 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.

Jesus on the other hand said very specifically to not obey traditions over commandments of God which is considered worshipping in vain according to Jesus. Mat 15:3-9

3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

Jesus was on about the traditions of the Jews my friend.

The Bible was not compiled until the 4th century (by the Catholic church).

People relied on Sacred Tradition. Oral teaching / preaching. Handed down.

God bless you

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You are mistaken.

-CryptoLutheran

Is this not correct? Is the Catholic version of God's Ten not correct on the left?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Jesus was on about the traditions of the Jews my friend.

The Bible was not compiled until the 4th century (by the Catholic church).

People relied on Sacred Tradition. Oral teaching / preaching. Handed down.

God bless you

The Catholic church did not write the New Testament. Some priests did translate some of the canons with guidance of the Holy Spirit. If Sunday was a day God wanted to be in the New Testament as His new holy day there would be scripture stating this. As of yet, no one has provided scripture that the 4th commandment is deleted from God's covenant of Ten Commandments and there is a new holy day to worship Jesus. This change did occur by the Roman Catholic church, but they admit freely it did not come from scriptures.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The difference is that Christians worship Jesus on the LORD'S DAY, Jesus is LORD, while others worship the god of the scribes and Pharisees on their Sabbath. If you do not know who the god of the scribes and Pharisees is, read John 8:44.
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God only has one holy day in the bible and He did not separate His holy day from Jews and Gentiles. God's holy day started from Creation before any Jews Genesis 2:1-3 and we are told all flesh will worship Him from one Sabbath to another Isaiah 66:23 not just Jews and Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 so you are mistaken here.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You can keep the Sabbath holy and worship God on Sunday.

Why would I want to do that when on the New Earth the Sabbath day will continue to be God's chosen day of worship. Isaiah 66:23. Plus there is no where in scripture that God tells us to keep holy or worship Him on the first day. He said that is a day to do our work and labor Exodus 20:9

 

[Lost4words]

The Catholic church did not write the New Testament. Some priests did translate some of the canons with guidance of the Holy Spirit. If Sunday was a day God wanted to be in the New Testament as His new holy day there would be scripture stating this. As of yet, no one has provided scripture that the 4th commandment is deleted from God's covenant of Ten Commandments and there is a new holy day to worship Jesus. This change did occur by the Roman Catholic church, but they admit freely it did not come from scriptures.

I didnt say the church wrote the NT. They helped compile all the books into the Bible.

For the first 350 years or more, the Bible as it stands today, did not exist.

People were taught / preached to, orally via Sacred Tradition handed down. You cant hide from that fact.

Sola Scriptural never existed then! It wasnt invented until the 16th century!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I didnt say the church wrote the NT. They helped compile all the books into the Bible.

For the first 350 years or more, the Bible as it stands today, did not exist.

People were taught / preached to, orally via Sacred Tradition handed down. You cant hide from that fact.

Sola Scriptural never existed then! It wasnt invented until the 16th century!

There is a lot more to the story on the history of the canons and the Catholic church's involvement but we are way off topic.

Credit for the scriptures goes to the Holy Spirit since it is God's Word.

 

[Lost4words]

There is a lot more to the story on the history of the canons and the Catholic church's involvement but we are way off topic.

Credit for the scriptures goes to the Holy Spirit since it is God's Word.

Like i said, the first 350 plus years of Christianity did NOT have a Bible my friend!

What was taught / preached was via Sacred Tradition, through the Holy Spirit orally.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Like i said, the first 350 plus years of Christianity did NOT have a Bible my friend!

What was taught / preached was via Sacred Tradition, through the Holy Spirit orally.

I know they did not have Bibles, it's called the dark ages and the Catholic church was part of the reason. We are getting very off topic perhaps another thread on the history and dark ages era?

The Holy Spirit is not going to go against a commandment of God. The Holy Spirit is to help us obey, not disobey. John 14:15, Acts 5:32

 

[timothyu]

They helped compile all the books into the Bible

That is called controlling the narrative to fit the system. Still in use today.

 

[Lost4words]

I know they did not have Bibles, it's called the dark ages and the Catholic church was part of the reason. We are getting very off topic perhaps another thread on the history and dark ages era?

The Holy Spirit is not going to go against a commandment of God. The Holy Spirit is to help us obey, not disobey. John 14:15, Acts 5:32

Yes, the Holy Spirit is in union with the Father and the Son. It worked through those that preached in the early church when no Bible was available.

The Lords day, indeed was on a Sunday. It was in practice hundreds of years before the Bible was in print / use.

Sola scriptural was but a dream then. One couldnt claim what you claim today! How could you! There was no Bible as we know it today.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Goodness, so much to catch up on. I will try and catch up as I can.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I worry about those who have little regard for the conquering of sin and death by Jesus Christ. It is certainly worthy of remembering and celebration. But back to Revelation 1:10, It was on the Lord's Day, that is, the first day of the week, the day of Christ's resurrection, when Christ appeared to His disciples and the Spirit descended at Pentecost. The disciples gathered to break bread on the Lord's Day, and Paul instructed the Corinthians to take a collection on the first day when they were all gathered together.

I do not know of anyone here that has little regard for the conquering of sin and death by our Lord Jesus Christ who nailed it to the cross and no one has said anywhere that it is not worthy of celebrating. What we should worry about though according to the scriptures are those who continue in a life of known unrepentant sin according to the scriptures and those who reject the gift of God's dear son by counting the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing despite to the Spirit of God's grace. For these there is no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking forward to of judgement to come *Hebrews 10:26-31.

 

[timothyu]

Yes, the Holy Spirit is in union with the Father and the Son. It worked through those that preached in the early church when no Bible was available.

A shepherd

Was Paul ever receive the Holy Spirit ?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The New Covenant breaks with the Old Covenant that was given to the Jews and which everyone breaks big time. So as nobody can keep it in its entirety, those who are bound by it are eternally lost.
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True what is the new covenant *Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24:27; repeated in Hebrews 8:10-12?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Allow me to give you an illustration of the error you are making in your interpretation of Rev 1:10 in the OP, which you keep repeating ad nauseum.
Imaging a little old lady who has never used the Internet comes to me and asks me what the term 'social media' means. Now although I know full well what the term really means, I tell her "The word 'social' means meeting with people, and the word 'media' includes newspapers. So social media means meeting people via newspapers, ie the dating column." I'm sure you would agree I was being very dishonest in my explanation. Well that is the same kind of dishonest logic you are using in your interpretation of Rev 1:10 to come up with your meaning of the "Lord's day". We know from the historical evidence that term "the Lord's Day" was commonly used as a reference to Sunday by Christians at the time John wrote Revelation. Yet you are wilfully ignoring that fact, and instead choosing the split the term into two and then forcing each word into other unrelated scriptures pertaining to the sabbath, in order to come up with the idea that the Lords day = the sabbath. An interpretation that not a single respected commentator agrees with.

Sorry but I respectfully disagree but allow me to explain why I do not agree with you here. I have only provided the Greek word meaning of κυριακός ἡμέρα (the Lords day) which means the day belonging to the Lord and then provided scripture to show Jesus claiming that he is the Lord of the Sabbath day in Matthew 12:1-8 while also showing from both the old and new testament scriptures from *Matthew 12:8; Mark 2:28; Luke 6:5; Isaiah 58:13; Exodus 31:12-18; Leviticus 19:30; Ezekiel 20:12; Deuteronomy 5:15; Leviticus 23:3; Exodus 31:15; Exodus 20:10 that the day Jesus and God claim ownership of is the Sabbath day. The OP them shows that from scripture there is no link (which you have now agreed) to "the Lords day" being Sunday. The challenged anyone to show from the scriptures alone that Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day". So far no one is up to the challenge because there is no scripture that says anywhere in the bible that "the Lords day is Sunday or the first day of the week.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The Christian is not under law, but under grace..

As posted earlier no one is "under the law" according to the scriptures in Romans 3:19-20 unless they stand before God guilty of breaking the law. Grace is not a salience to sin which is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments in Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and James 2:10-11 and not believing and following God's Word *Romans 14:23. According to the scriptures we are saved by Grace through faith but faith does not abolish Gods' law according to Paul in Romans 3:31 it establishes Gods' law according to Gods' new covenant promise in all those who believe and follow God's Word (Romans 8:1-4; Romans 3:31; Hebrews 8:10-12; Romans 13:8-10; 1 John 3:6-9) Grace therefore according to the scriptures is for obedience to the faith *Romans 1:5.