New Terrorist Threat from right-wing extremists

[The Barbarian]

• • Domestic extremist groups could use new COVID-19 restrictions as an excuse to launch violent attacks, according to the Department of Homeland Security.
  • Pandemic-related social stressors drove several plots by domestic extremists and may have a hand in even more violence this year, the DHS reported.
  • Earlier this year, intelligence agencies warned that politically motivated extremists would be the biggest national threat.
  Fueled by the US Capitol siege, violent extremists with 'political grievances' will likely pose the 'greatest domestic terrorism threats in 2021,' intelligence report says

Might be a rough few months ahead.

 

[Albion]

Domestic extremist groups could use new COVID-19 restrictions as an excuse to launch violent attacks, according to the Department of Homeland Security.

• • Pandemic-related social stressors drove several plots by domestic extremists and may have a hand in even more violence this year, the DHS reported.

• • [*]Earlier this year, intelligence agencies warned that politically motivated extremists would be the biggest national threat.

• Anything's possible. That's all the above is willing to say (if you noticed).
  
  

  Fueled by the US Capitol siege, violent extremists with 'political grievances' will likely pose the 'greatest domestic terrorism threats in 2021,' intelligence report says

Well, yes, some violent extremists with political grievances are likely to do what they have been doing in such places as Portland, Seattle, Charlottesville, New York, and other American cities for the past few years. That's a really safe prediction.

 

[pescador]

• Anything's possible. That's all the above is willing to say (if you noticed).
  

Well, yes, some violent extremists with political grievances are likely to do what they have been doing in such places as Portland, Seattle, Charlottesville, New York, and other American cities for the past few years. That's a really safe prediction.

Well, until US society begins to change for the better, with more tolerance of differences and fairer resolution of problems, there will continue to be protests. The First Amendment guarantees freedoms concerning religion, expression, assembly, and the right to petition. It guarantees freedom of expression by prohibiting Congress from restricting the press or the rights of individuals to speak freely.

The problem stems from others denying those rights, sometimes violently.

 

[The Barbarian]

Anything's possible. That's all the above is willing to say (if you noticed

No, that's not what the report said. It's pointing out that election disinformation, and the Capitol insurgency is fueling resentment among domestic terrorist groups, and they are likely to act on it.

Well, yes, some violent extremists with political grievances are likely to do what they have been doing in such places as Portland, Seattle, Charlottesville, New York, and other American cities for the past few years. That's a really safe prediction.

Regrettably so. But the key is, intelligence from FBI sources links those white supremacist groups and other far-right groups to activity that is likely to predict more of the sort of things we saw in those cities. The end of the BLM protests gives them less opportunity and less cover to incite riots and attack government buildings, but an action like that of Trump supporters on Jan. 6, is very possible in the coming months.

 

[Subdood]

Any imagined threat from "far-right extremists" pales in comparison to the very real danger and damage we have been and are experiencing right now from the far left extremists running our government, bureaucracy, and school system.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

From the article;

When reached for comment, the FBI told Insider it does not comment on specific intelligence reports, but that it is "focused on identifying, investigating, and disrupting individuals that are inciting violence and engaging in criminal activity."

"Our focus is not on peaceful protesters, but on those threatening their safety and the safety of other citizens with violence and destruction of property," the statement said.

Sounds life fear mongering for political purposes.

BTW, the same FBI missed the terrorist threat on 9/11.

 

[dqhall]

• • Domestic extremist groups could use new COVID-19 restrictions as an excuse to launch violent attacks, according to the Department of Homeland Security.
  • Pandemic-related social stressors drove several plots by domestic extremists and may have a hand in even more violence this year, the DHS reported.
  • Earlier this year, intelligence agencies warned that politically motivated extremists would be the biggest national threat.
  Fueled by the US Capitol siege, violent extremists with 'political grievances' will likely pose the 'greatest domestic terrorism threats in 2021,' intelligence report says

Might be a rough few months ahead.

There are threats from the left and the right. Cities were burning and the Capitol Bldg. was attacked.

 

[Albion]

There are threats from the left and the right. Cities were burning and the Capitol Bldg. was attacked.

Over 30 major cities experienced the violence launched by Antifa and BLM and other leftist groups. Part of Portland even "seceded" from Oregon under the occupation of those rioters. Government buildings, including police stations, were attacked, a billion dollars in damage occurred, and there were many injuries.

And then, on January 6, a gang of people of diverse political leanings entered the Capitol Building and broke windows and scattered paper. Some people even sat in chairs without permission! Many of the people were ushered into the building by the guards! And no one was killed by the invaders, although an unarmed woman was murdered by a guard for no apparent reason.

To try to equate this event to the summer of destruction described above is useless, since the majority of Americans can and do know the difference.

 

[iarwain]

And no one was killed by the invaders, although an unarmed woman was murdered by a guard for no apparent reason.

It makes no sense that people will riot over Michael Brown and Jacob Blake, but be perfectly okay with Ashli Babbitt being shot, or even celebrate it. And the same people condoning the previous riots are the same people crying the loudest about the Capitol Riot.

 

[The Barbarian]

There are threats from the left and the right.

There just weren't as many terrorists on the left. And they weren't killing police, firing into police stations, and trying to incite riots at peaceful demonstrations.

Cities were burning

What city had even one-half of one percent of it's area burned? Sounds a little hysterical to me. The right-wing "accelerationists" burning buildings and vandalizing property never managed to incite large-scale vandalism. Nor did their killings of police officer induced others to copy them.

and the Capitol Bldg. was attacked.

People tried to blame that on leftists, too. Didn't work then, either.

 

[The Barbarian]

It makes no sense that people will riot over Michael Brown and Jacob Blake, but be perfectly okay with Ashli Babbitt being shot

I suppose it's because people think there's a difference between a criminal killing a helpless, handcuffed and unresisting victim, and a police officer shooting a felon breaking into the US Capitol with a mob.

Go figure.

And the same people condoning the previous riots are the same people crying the loudest about the Capitol Riot.

I don't see that. In fact, most Americans were just as angry about the right wing extremists who murdered those police officers, and the proud boys who attacked police headquarters and burned builidings, and the Antifa rioters in Seattle and Portland, as they were at the Trump-led insurrectionists who attacked our Capitol.

 

[The Barbarian]

Any imagined threat from "far-right extremists"

They've murdered police officers, burned police stations, vandalized and burned buildings, often in an attempt to blame BLM and other peaceful protestors.

pales in comparison to the very real danger and damage we have been and are experiencing right now from the far left extremists running our government, bureaucracy, and school system.

You've been misled about that. The Supreme Court is the most conservative court in recent history. The Senate is just barely democrat, often unable to do anything. And a moderate democrat is president.

And if you haven't noticed, schools are operated by locally-elected boards. You're beef isn't only with liberals; it's with most Americans.

 

[Subdood]

They've murdered police officers, burned police stations, vandalized and burned buildings, often in an attempt to blame BLM and other peaceful protestors.

You've been misled about that. The Supreme Court is the most conservative court in recent history. The Senate is just barely democrat, often unable to do anything. And a moderate democrat is president.

And if you haven't noticed, schools are operated by locally-elected boards. You're beef isn't only with liberals; it's with most Americans.

Yeah, I seen these bumper stickers too. Fortunately traffic in my area isn't that bad that my exposure to them lasts for more than a stoplight or two.

Maybe consider taking public transportation? Talking to others can be a healthy way to expand one's worldview.

 

[iarwain]

I suppose it's because people think there's a difference between a criminal killing a helpless, handcuffed and unresisting victim, and a police officer shooting a felon breaking into the US Capitol with a mob..

A criminal killing a helpless, handcuffed, unresisting victim? What are you on about? You're certainly not talking about the two examples I gave (Brown and Blake).

Since you're so fine with Babbitt being killed, why not just open fire on the whole crowd? I bet you'd be just fine with that too. Doesn't matter if they're unarmed. If Babbitt had been black and Democrat, I'm sure CNN would never let you hear the end of it. But since she was a right winger, she deserves to be killed in cold blood. That message is loud and clear.

 

[The Barbarian]

They've murdered police officers, burned police stations, vandalized and burned buildings, often in an attempt to blame BLM and other peaceful protestors.

You've been misled about that. The Supreme Court is the most conservative court in recent history. The Senate is just barely democrat, often unable to do anything. And a moderate democrat is president.

And if you haven't noticed, schools are operated by locally-elected boards. You're beef isn't only with liberals; it's with most Americans.

Yeah, I seen these bumper stickers too.

If you have, one of us has. Seems like a lot of stuff for one bumper sticker. But for some people, anything more than can be written on a bumper sticker is too much information. If you were unaware that local voters control school boards, maybe you should have been reading more than bumper stickers.

Maybe consider taking public transportation?

Fortunately, we have a good light rail system that goes to a lot of places I like to go. But not everything. My impression is that you probably won't get what you need reading posters on public transportation, either.

Talking to others can be a healthy way to expand one's worldview.

So you've had some problems getting out? That might be it. But my guess is that the major problem is that you don't get to talk much to people who don't share all your assumptions. And that can be an impediment to understanding some of the realities I mentioned.

 

[The Barbarian]

A criminal killing a helpless, handcuffed, unresisting victim? What are you on about? You're certainly not talking about the two examples I gave (Brown and Blake).

Michael Brown was just the fuse that ignited the outcry. It had more to do with the abiding corruption in that community in which town officials had become addicted to fining black citizens for profit. The troubles there ended after a justice department investigation that put an end to most of that, and removed the source of discontent.

The Justice Department announced the findings of its two civil rights investigations related to Ferguson, Missouri, today. The Justice Department found that the Ferguson Police Department (FPD) engaged in a pattern or practice of conduct that violates the First, Fourth, and 14th Amendments of the Constitution. The Justice Department also announced that the evidence examined in its independent, federal investigation into the fatal shooting of Michael Brown does not support federal civil rights charges against Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson.
...
“Our investigation showed that Ferguson police officers routinely violate the Fourth Amendment in stopping people without reasonable suspicion, arresting them without probable cause, and using unreasonable force against them. Now that our investigation has reached its conclusion, it is time for Ferguson’s leaders to take immediate, wholesale and structural corrective action.
Justice Department Announces Findings of Two Civil Rights Investigations in Ferguson, Missouri

Since you're so fine with Babbitt being killed

You like to make up things about people, don't you? It's not an attractive habit. Try to do better.

why not just open fire on the whole crowd?

They were almost entirely violent screaming white people. If it had been a mob of screaming, violent black people, it likely would have been the case. What went on in Ferguson, Mo. was not unique.

My point is that if one is part of a mob violently breaking into a government building, it's hardly a surprise that one might get shot in the attempt. You were just fine with Michael Brown being shot for less.

Doesn't matter if they're unarmed.

It didn't for Michael Brown. But that wasn't the case for the Trump supporters who broke into the Capitol and assulted police officers:

But a wide array of lethal weapons — including a firearm — were found on protesters at the Capitol.
Those weapons included baseball bats, chemical sprays, a captured police officer’s riot shield, a crowbar, fire extinguishers and a metal flagpole.
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Before and after the storming of the Capitol, NBC News reported, police seized a dozen firearms, including an assault rifle, and thousands of rounds of ammunition from seven people attending the rally for President Donald Trump in Washington, D.C. Other weapons included a crossbow, a stun gun and 11 Molotov cocktails.
Capitol Protesters Were Armed With Variety of Weapons - FactCheck.org

If Babbitt had been black and Democrat,

She wouldn't have been doing that kind of thing. This was a far-right, Trump-ordered insurrection,with few, if any black people involved.

But since she was a right winger, she deserves to be killed in cold blood.

If one takes part in a violent mob that is destroying property and attacking police, it's hard to have a lot of sympathy if one gets shot in the process. It would have been better if she wasn't killed. It would have been better if the insurrection hadn't caused the deaths of a number of police officers. The difference is, she chose to break the law, and they were merely doing their duty.

I get it. To you there's a huge difference between a cop shooting a black person and a cop shooting a white person. Both of those criminals assaulted police officers, which any reasonable person would realize is likely to get one's self shot. It's true that Babbitt committed a few other misdemeanors and felonies in the process, but these others probably wouldn't further justify shooting at her. To me the key difference was that the mob Babbitt had joined was armed and actually harming police officers, and Brown wasn't.

 

[BeyondET]

The article mentions Qanon what group is that?

 

[The Barbarian]

And then, on January 6, a gang of people of diverse political leanings

That story fell apart as police started identifying them and arresting them. All Trump people, many of whom admitted that Trump ordered them to do it.

entered the Capitol Building and broke windows and scattered paper. Some people even sat in chairs without permission!

Well, let's take a look...

No, that looks more like Trump supporters beating a fallen police officer.

Many of the people were ushered into the building by the guards!

Police say no one did that. Let's see what you've got. Checkable sources.

To try to equate this event to the summer of destruction described above is useless, since the majority of Americans can and do know the difference.

They do know the difference. At least a strong majority of them do:

A majority of Americans think that when supporters of former President Donald Trump stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 as lawmakers voted to certify President Biden's election win, it was an attack on democracy, according to a new Quinnipiac University poll released Thursday.

Of the respondents, 55 percent said it was an "attack on democracy that should never be forgotten," while 39 percent said "too much is being made of" the riot and it's "time to move on."
Poll: Majority of Americans believe Jan. 6 Capitol riot was an attack on democracy

The people killing police, burning police stations, and otherwise trying to incite riots, are starting to be tried and sentences for their crimes. So far, mostly white supremacists. Would you like me to show you?

 

[The Barbarian]

The article mentions Qanon what group is that?

Probably a typo for QAnon. You know, "Trump will be reinstated on Aug. 13", "a gang of international child molesters have a dungeon in the basement of a pizzeria", "Jewish space lasers", etc. Those guys.

 

[iarwain]

To you there's a huge difference between a cop shooting a black person and a cop shooting a white person.

Not my point at all. I'm saying you can't be fine with police shooting an unarmed white person who has not committed any violent act as far as we know, while complaining about police shooting a black person who is resisting arrest and using a deadly weapon, without coming off as hypocritical.