Is the Biden administration interfering with the election?

[iluvatar5150]

I don't think most people are idiots.

Why not?

 

[stevil]

Why not?

Because when people talk, they don't go to the nth degree to explain every little detail in what they are saying.
They speak commonly and are generally understood, in the right context.

When a weather person states that the temperatures in the region are at an all time high, very few people will be wondering what the temperatures were like when the dinosaurs walked the Earth, or in the times prior to Earth having an atmosphere, or in the days prior to life existing on Earth.

That's just ridiculous in the context of a weather report.

Perhaps if a scientist is talking about global warming, but even then given the context they might still just be talking about since the time that humans have been recording temperatures. (given that the global warming discussion is about the effect of humans and our fossil burning habbits on the planet).
If you had a scientist talking about the entire life of Earth. It's formation, the formation of the moon, the start of life, the various ages, the beginning of humanity, the beginning of the industrial age etc, then they would need to consider the temperatures of the Earth of it's entire life.

But in the context of a weather report?
I feel some people can get a bit extreme and silly with there objections. They totally miss the context of conversation.

 

[BPPLEE]

Because when people talk, they don't go to the nth degree to explain every little detail in what they are saying.
They speak commonly and are generally understood, in the right context.

When a weather person states that the temperatures in the region are at an all time high, very few people will be wondering what the temperatures were like when the dinosaurs walked the Earth, or in the times prior to Earth having an atmosphere, or in the days prior to life existing on Earth.

That's just ridiculous in the context of a weather report.

Perhaps if a scientist is talking about global warming, but even then given the context they might still just be talking about since the time that humans have been recording temperatures. (given that the global warming discussion is about the effect of humans and our fossil burning habbits on the planet).
If you had a scientist talking about the entire life of Earth. It's formation, the formation of the moon, the start of life, the various ages, the beginning of humanity, the beginning of the industrial age etc, then they would need to consider the temperatures of the Earth of it's entire life.

But in the context of a weather report?
I feel some people can get a bit extreme and silly with there objections. They totally miss the context of conversation.

And you totally missed the point,

 

[stevil]

And you totally missed the point,

Yeah, quite possibly. I remember asking you a few posts ago, what the point was of your post. But it seems you didn't clarify.

 

[Pommer]

If Gaia gets a “fever” it’ll likely burn off the “infection” good enough to survive quite well without disturbing much more than the species driving the current round of warming.

 

[Hans Blaster]

If Gaia gets a “fever” it’ll likely burn off the “infection” good enough to survive quite well without disturbing much more than the species driving the current round of warming.

Perhaps this is "Gaia"s way of dealing with Floridians.

 

[Pommer]

Perhaps this is "Gaia"s way of dealing with Floridians.

I heard a 3 meter rise in sea-level by 2100, that’ll take care of 2/3 of Florida

 

[eleos1954]

Earth Temperature Timeline

xkcd.com

When graphed the data clearly shows this is not a historical trend. There is no serious debate that humans are not responsible for recent increases.

over what time period? If the earth is millions of years old .... there isn't actual data for millions of years

According to science ...

Over the past million years, Earth's globally averaged surface temperature has risen and fallen by about 5˚C in ice-age cycles, roughly every 100,000 years or so

Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 800,000 years, there have been eight cycles of ice ages and warmer periods, with the end of the last ice age about 11,700 years ago marking the beginning of the modern climate era — and of human civilization.

So who is to say we are not just going through a warmer period (age) naturally? Going through a warmer cycle.

How much has the Earth warmed in the last 100 years?
about 1.0o F.

Are we in an ice age right now?

We are in an interglacial period right now. It began at the end of the last glacial period, about 10,000 years ago. Scientists are still working to understand what causes ice ages. One important factor is the amount of light Earth receives from the Sun. (evidentially they really don't understand ice ages)

How overdue are we for an ice age?

The last ice age, called the Wisconsin Glaciation, ended 18,000 years ago, and Earth is now in a warm interglacial. Warm periods can last about 15,000 years. All of which means, we are 1,000 to 3,000 years overdue for another ice age, which could be upon us.

so .... could very well be just a ice age

Over the last century, the average surface temperature of the Earth has increased by about 1.0o F. The eleven warmest years this century have all occurred since 1980, with 1995 the warmest on record.

So if one takes the first statement as true .... then overall we aren't outside of what is believed has happened in years past.

 

[Hans Blaster]

over what time period? If the earth is millions of years old .... there isn't actual data for millions of years

According to science ...

What follows from you is clearly some sort of interview, but the source of the interview and the person responding to the questions are not given. (There also seem to be a couple of your comments inserted.)

Over the past million years, Earth's globally averaged surface temperature has risen and fallen by about 5˚C in ice-age cycles, roughly every 100,000 years or so

Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 800,000 years, there have been eight cycles of ice ages and warmer periods, with the end of the last ice age about 11,700 years ago marking the beginning of the modern climate era — and of human civilization.

So who is to say we are not just going through a warmer period (age) naturally? Going through a warmer cycle.

Technically, the current ice age has lasted for 800,000, what is commonly called an 'ice age' is a glacial period. I won't worry about those definitions in the text below.

How much has the Earth warmed in the last 100 years?
about 1.0o F.

Are we in an ice age right now?

We are in an interglacial period right now. It began at the end of the last glacial period, about 10,000 years ago. Scientists are still working to understand what causes ice ages. One important factor is the amount of light Earth receives from the Sun. (evidentially they really don't understand ice ages)

Subtle, long-term changes in the orbital parameters are the main natural driver. That is well known.

How overdue are we for an ice age?

The last ice age, called the Wisconsin Glaciation, ended 18,000 years ago, and Earth is now in a warm interglacial. Warm periods can last about 15,000 years. All of which means, we are 1,000 to 3,000 years overdue for another ice age, which could be upon us.

You just quoted the correct duration of the current interglacial -- 11,700 yeras. Even if it could only last 15,000 years there would still be 3000 years left in the current interglacial. "Overdue" is nonsense. That's not how these things work.

so .... could very well be just a ice age

Over the last century, the average surface temperature of the Earth has increased by about 1.0o F. The eleven warmest years this century have all occurred since 1980, with 1995 the warmest on record.

So if one takes the first statement as true .... then overall we aren't outside of what is believed has happened in years past.

Our civilization doesn't exist in a climate like that of the last glacial period. It couldn't. That the temperature change by several degrees from those times 10,000+ years ago doesn't have anything to do with what we can and have done to the climate on very short periods (decades).

 

[eleos1954]

What follows from you is clearly some sort of interview, but the source of the interview and the person responding to the questions are not given. (There also seem to be a couple of your comments inserted.)

Technically, the current ice age has lasted for 800,000, what is commonly called an 'ice age' is a glacial period. I won't worry about those definitions in the text below.

Subtle, long-term changes in the orbital parameters are the main natural driver. That is well known.

You just quoted the correct duration of the current interglacial -- 11,700 yeras. Even if it could only last 15,000 years there would still be 3000 years left in the current interglacial. "Overdue" is nonsense. That's not how these things work.

Our civilization doesn't exist in a climate like that of the last glacial period. It couldn't. That the temperature change by several degrees from those times 10,000+ years ago doesn't have anything to do with what we can and have done to the climate on very short periods (decades).

Lots of different "scientific ideas" about it ... pick your poison (so to speak)

 

[Hans Blaster]

Lots of different "scientific ideas" about it ... pick your poison (so to speak)

Huh?