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I disagree because look at verse 2 it still teaches that those who are of God confess that Jesus came in the flesh. What this argument is, is simply a way to elevate the KJV above other translations when the KJV actually has added commentary embedded into it that was not in the majority of the older transcripts.

“By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭4:2‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

“This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭4:2‬ ‭NIV‬‬

I disagree. It is saying it in a positive sense in verse 2, but in verse 3 it eliminates this truth in the negative sense, and starts to say that one is of the spirit of antichrist if they do not admit that Jesus is come in the flesh (Which is what the Modern Translations eliminate). So nothing has changed. According to Modern Translations one can be of God if they admit the Incarnation or if they simply acknowledge Jesus. But according to Modern Translations they are not of the spirit of antichrist if they do not admit that Jesus is come in the flesh. Thus, Modern Translations fail to give out the proper test.
 
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Yes, a believer can be born again and die spiritually. The Bible alludes to this fact.

“These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;” (Jude 1:12).

In other words, there were certain types of believers who feasted among the other brethren who fed themselves in the communion of the Lord’s supper without the fear of God, and they are said to be twice dead, plucked by the roots.

In other words, these kind of believers were once dead spiritually before coming to Christ, and they died spiritually a second time by later justifying sin in some way. They then became plucked by the roots and they started to feed themselves without any fear before God.

Jude 1:4 warns that they are the ones who turn God’s grace into a license for immorality.
 
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We know that King Saul started out good with God and by his disobedience he did not end well with God. In fact, the Spirit of God departed from him and Saul later consulted a witch and he killed himself. Scripture says that mercy was taken away from Saul in 2 Samuel 7:15.
 
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As for being fruitful: Why would Jesus give us the parable of the talents if all true believers would just bear fruit and not be unprofitable servants? (See: Matthew 25:14–30). In my opinion, this parable would be a false scare tactic if all believers who genuinely were born again and had the Spirit will have the 100% guarantee of bearing fruit in their life.
 
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Is there scripture that says someone who has been born again and received the Holy Spirit, will not / can not bear fruit?

Ephesians 4 and 5. And the apostles were born again in John 15 even tho they had not received the Holy Spirit yet
 
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Us knowing who they are has nothing to do with what Jesus said in Jn 10:28

“And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.”

Verse 27 says that the kind of sheep here are the sheep that FOLLOW Jesus.
 
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Some have argued that the KJB cannot be trusted because of what was said in the 1611 KJB preface.

Well, first, the 1611 KJB went through seven purifications until it was finally purified with the 1900 circa. Cambridge Edition (See: Psalms 12:6 about how the Word of God is purified seven times). The preface of the KJB is not proof against God using men despite what they thought. For there are many examples in Scripture of God using men for His purposes and they were not even believers.

Anyways, the importance of having a correct Bible is important on correcting the unbiblical Eternal Security issue because if we do not have a final Word of authority, we can make the Bible say whatever we want it to say.
 
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1 John 5:7 has more older transcripts without the added content than with it.

This would be those Alexandria, Egyptian manuscripts your talking about (i.e. the Critical Text). Again, just Google the origin of Arianism (i.e. Anti-Trinitarianism) and you will see that it originates also from Alexandria, Egypt. Surely it is not a coincidence that the removal of the one and only verse on the Trinity (1 John 5:7) just so happens to be the birthplace that denies the Trinity. Big coincidence there. To me that smells fishy, but if you want to ignore things like that… be my guest.

Also, older does not always mean better. For surely there are pagan documents (like in the OT times) that predate certain NT Bible manuscripts. That does not make those pagan documents true just because they may predate a bible manuscript. Truth is determined by doing a fruits test.
 
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I disagree. It is saying it in a positive sense in verse 2, but in verse 3 it eliminates this truth in the negative sense, and starts to say that one is of the spirit of antichrist if they do not admit that Jesus is come in the flesh (Which is what the Modern Translations eliminate). So nothing has changed. According to Modern Translations one can be of God if they admit the Incarnation or if they simply acknowledge Jesus. But according to Modern Translations they are not of the spirit of antichrist if they do not admit that Jesus is come in the flesh. Thus, Modern Translations fail to give out the proper test.

But the question is did verse 3 eliminate that truth or was that truth added into it? If the added content wasn’t present in the earlier manuscripts then it makes more sense to say that these were added later rather than to say that they were omitted previously because if they were omitted previously then there would be no evidence of their omission to support adding them later. We see the same thing in The Lord’s Prayer. “For thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever and ever” is not included in the earlier manuscripts. It is quite disturbing that some saw fit to either add to or remove words from the original manuscripts but it just makes more sense to go with the older texts rather than the newer ones that appear to have added statements in them since we can’t see any evidence as to why these statements were added by looking at the older texts. I believe these were slight modifications in order to give more or better understanding to the messages of the original authors but if the original authors were inspired by God to write what they did then I guarantee what they wrote is sufficient without these added commentaries and opinions.
 
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This would be those Alexandria, Egyptian manuscripts your talking about (i.e. the Critical Text). Again, just Google the origin of Arianism (i.e. Anti-Trinitarianism) and you will see that it originates also from Alexandria, Egypt. Surely it is not a coincidence that the removal of the one and only verse on the Trinity (1 John 5:7) just so happens to be the birthplace that denies the Trinity. Big coincidence there. To me that smells fishy, but if you want to ignore things like that… be my guest.

Also, older does not always mean better. For surely there are pagan documents (like in the OT times) that predate certain NT Bible manuscripts. That does not make those pagan documents true just because they may predate a bible manuscript. Truth is determined by doing a fruits test.

But additional content to the scriptures must have a source to support it predating the copy. If the added content has no previous support then we have to assume that it did not exist previously.
 
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This would be those Alexandria, Egyptian manuscripts your talking about (i.e. the Critical Text). Again, just Google the origin of Arianism (i.e. Anti-Trinitarianism) and you will see that it originates also from Alexandria, Egypt. Surely it is not a coincidence that the removal of the one and only verse on the Trinity (1 John 5:7) just so happens to be the birthplace that denies the Trinity. Big coincidence there. To me that smells fishy, but if you want to ignore things like that… be my guest.

Also, older does not always mean better. For surely there are pagan documents (like in the OT times) that predate certain NT Bible manuscripts. That does not make those pagan documents true just because they may predate a bible manuscript. Truth is determined by doing a fruits test.

The KJV changes the word “you” to “us-ward” in 2 Peter 3:9 and many Calvinists use this translation error as evidence that God does not desire that all men be saved. The same Greek word is translated countless times throughout the KJV as “you” except for this one particular verse. I believe the reason for this translation error was to cater the verse to support reformed theology which is why I try to stay away from versions with added content.
 
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No one can cause us to be separated by God but ourself. If I’m holding a rabbit in my hand and I say that no one can snatch this rabbit from my hand I have not said that I cannot throw the rabbit away or that the rabbit cannot jump from my hand. John 10:28 only refers to a third party not the individual himself. He cuts off every branch IN ME that beareth not fruit. John 15:2. Anyone who doesn’t abide in Me is cast away to wither and cast into the fire to be burned. John 15:6.
They shall never perish is the promise !
 
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Doesn't change nothing, they shall never perish, they are His responsibility !

It does change things because one has to meet the condition of following Jesus in order to not be snatched out of His hand.
 
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The KJV changes the word “you” to “us-ward” in 2 Peter 3:9 and many Calvinists use this translation error as evidence that God does not desire that all men be saved. The same Greek word is translated countless times throughout the KJV as “you” except for this one particular verse. I believe the reason for this translation error was to cater the verse to support reformed theology which is why I try to stay away from versions with added content.

God's Word is not in error. Only the reader sees errors where none exists.

According to the “Defined King James Bible,” we see that word “us-ward” is the archaic form of “toward us.”

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The Greek word “hēmas” (ἡμᾶς) Strongs G2248 is never translated as “you” anywhere else in the Scriptures. It is translated always as “we,” “us,” etc.

Now, the Greek word “hymas” (ὑμᾶς) Strongs G5209 is translated as “you.”

So I don't see any Calvinist conspiracy going on where that was the only time they decided to change that word to fit their interpretation.

Also, Peter is not writing to unbelievers hoping they will get saved. Peter is writing to other believers. So it is appropriate that he uses words like us or towards us. Even in the neutered NIV translation we see the words “us” in 1 Peter 1:3, 1 Peter 2:12, 1 Peter 4:17, 2 Peter 1:3, 2 Peter 1:4.

Yes, Puritans (Calvinists) worked on the KJB, but king James was strongly against their footnotes in the Geneva bible and he double checked their work.

In fact, there are many verses in the King James bible that easily refutes Calvinism ten times over. Actually, the ESV (Modern Translation) is the Calvinist's Bible for today.

Is The ESV (English Standard Version) a Calvinist Bible?
 
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The believer has everlasting life. John 5:24: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
 
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Yet we who are in Christ have been given a new heart and the helper, The Holy Spirit who guides us. Consider the parable of the tax collector and the Pharisee. The tax collector who was grieved by his sin was justified by God because he humbled himself to Him. It was his repentant heart that was the reason he was justified (declared righteous) by God not his perfection in obedience brother.

If Luke 18:9-14 was the only passage in the Bible, you might be onto something, brother; But it is not the whole counsel of God's Word. Yes, we are initially and foundationally saved by God's grace. No doubt about it. If a believer genuinely messes up and or sins, they can confess of their sins to the Lord Jesus Christ, and be forgiven of them, but if one's mindset is that they will always be a slave to mortal sin in this life, they are just paying lip service and they are merely toying with sin and serving two masters. It's still a form of justifying sin with this kind of thinking because it makes room for serious sin in our lives when the Lord condemns sin and requires us to cut off grievous sin and to live holy as a part of the Sanctification Process (After we are saved by His grace).

The problem with the Pharisee in the Parable in the Tax Collector was not that he was in any kind of Sanctification Process (because such a thing did not exist yet for the average believer until Pentecost), but the issue was that he was trying to be saved by “Works Alone” without God's grace. The Pharisee was not humbling himself first in seeking forgiveness with the Lord like the Tax Collector did. This was not because God's Word here is teaching that it is impossible for believers to overcome mortal sin and so we should just pay empty lip service. That would be silly, for Jesus Himself said to two people to “sin no more” (John 5:14) (John 8:11). In fact, the whole point of why God said I desire mercy and not sacrifice was in the fact that the Jews had offered sacrifices but their hearts were not right with God in that they justified sin. Yes, they would do certain commands by God that were outward like the sacrifices, but they needed to clean the inside of the cup (or the inside of their heart with truly being broke up about their sin with the Lord Jesus Christ). For 2 Corinthians 7:10 says “For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of [i.e. not to be regretted]:” If you were to read 2 Corinthians 12, Paul says:

20 For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:
21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.”
(2 Corinthians 12:20-21).

In other words, Paul was going to rebuke them greatly if they did not forsake their wicked ways.
 
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