Eternal Security

[Servus]

To all:

We are told to work out our salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12).
We are told to fight the good fight of faith and lay hold on eternal life (1 Timothy 6:12).

We are told:

“...We are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end.” (Hebrews 3:13-14).

"Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life." (Jude 1:21).

"...be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." (Revelation 2:10).​

We are told to:

1. Continue in the grace of God (Acts of the Apostles 13:43).
   
   
2. Continue in the faith (Acts of the Apostles 14:22) (Colossians 1:23).
   
   
3. Continue in his goodness, otherwise we can be cut off (just like the Jews were cut off) (Romans 11:21-22).

Heed therefore the Scriptures and make the Lord the Lord of your life today.
Make the Lord known by obeying Him and not your own ways.
Draw near to God and He will draw near to you.

So I encourage all who may feel distant from God to seek Him today and to pick up your cross, to deny yourselves, and follow Jesus. Don’t follow yourself. Don’t follow your sin. Don’t follow some great spiritual leader. Follow Jesus instead. He is the way, the truth, and the life and we can only do that through His Word. For there is no Eternal Security. Our only security is only in trusting in Christ and in obeying Him (according to the Holy Scriptures).

May you all be blessed in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Sincerely,

BL. Highlighter.

We are also told:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. John 10:28-29

Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ Romans 5:1

What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. 37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:31-39

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. Ephesians 1:13-14

That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us: 19 Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil; 20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. Hebrews 6:18-20

Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. Hebrews 7:25

 

[Servus]

I think salvation is a two way street between us persevering and God holding onto us. And I think the Holy Spirit helps us to persevere. I know He has certainly helped me to. Even though I have experienced periods of complacency and laziness, the Holy Spirit has always kept that from going too far and only allowed it to go on for so long, before rekindling the fire. Now that I'm approaching 60 as a lifelong Christian, I believe I'm far enough along in my walk with the Lord to remain spiritually mature and to stay strong. He promised to never leave nor forsake me, and He has kept that promise.

 

[BNR32FAN]

To those who have ears to hear:

People who hold to the “older is better” excuse when it comes to choosing which biblical manuscripts are better sounds more like blind faith and or “Historical Science,” vs. employing “Observational Science” (Like by doing a fruits test by comparing the KJB vs. the Modern Translations in an unbiased way).

Let’s see.

Modern Translations attack the one only verse that teaches the Trinity point blank.
Modern Translations attack the Incarnation which is a test to see if one is of God or not.
Modern Translations try to attack our Lord by the devil trying to be like the most High (i.e. the devil tries to put his name in place of God’s name, etc.).
Modern Translations try to attack the one and only way way to cast out persistent demons (Which is by fasting).
Modern Translations try to attack that you should study to shew yourself approved unto God.
Modern Translations try to attack the inerrancy of Scripture and the preservation of Scripture.

The list goes on and on.

This is not true for all new translations. The KJV simply has added commentary to the words that were originally written by the authors of the New Testament. Personally I prefer to read what the original authors wrote instead of what a translator thought they were trying to say.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Jeremiah 17:9 says, “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it.” Hebrews 3 warns, “But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.” (Hebrews 3:13). “Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.” (Hebrews 3:10). Sin can harden our hearts to a point whereby we can depart from the living God. “Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.” Sin is like a cancer or a disease that must be completely eradicated from our lives (Important Note: For the purpose of not violating the rules in this particular thread, I am referring here to mortal sin or grievous sin that God clearly condemns within His Word and not non-mortal sin).

We must fight the good fight and lay hold on eternal life (1 Timothy 6:12). What fight? Ephesians 6 tells us to put on the whole armor of God so as to be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. One important piece of armor that many do not fight with is the breastplate of righteousness. We need to have it. For without holiness, no man shall see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14). This would even include me. If I falter, and do not stay true and strong to the Lord, I can slip down the wrong path and justify sin like all the rest. But I don’t want that. I want the Lord Jesus and His good ways. So we must fight. We need to deny ourselves and pick up our cross and follow Jesus.

Yet we who are in Christ have been given a new heart and the helper, The Holy Spirit who guides us. Consider the parable of the tax collector and the Pharisee. The tax collector who was grieved by his sin was justified by God because he humbled himself to Him. It was his repentant heart that was the reason he was justified (declared righteous) by God not his perfection in obedience brother.

 

[fhansen]

What you basically said before was, we have to make sure we are producing enough good fruit by keeping track of how many good deeds we do. And I asked you how many good deeds per month does that come to? Do we have to do one or more of each thing you listed per month?

There's no quota system that I know of. There's only the understanding that we'll 'know them by their fruit'. And the bible lists bad fruit that keeps us from the presence of God. Should no change-towards righteousness-be expected of a believer?

God judges by the heart while man, necessarily, judges by appearances. This is because we cannot see the inside of the heart-even of our own with perfect acuity. So bad fruit or no fruit or good fruit serve as guides, while not totally perfect ones, telling us where the heart is. Either way, we can talk about our faith all day long but if that faith hasn't effected real, positive, change in us then at the end of the day we haven't taken seriously the treasure, the relationship with God, that faith is meant to foster.

 

[Servus]

This is not true for all new translations. The KJV simply has added commentary to the words that were originally written by the authors of the New Testament. Personally I prefer to read what the original authors wrote instead of what a translator thought they were trying to say.

One of my favorite illustrations of how God judges us.

 

[Servus]

There's no quota system that I know of. There's only the understanding that we'll know them by their fruit. And the bible lists bad fruit that keeps us from the presence of God. Should no change-towards righteousness-be expected of a believer?

God judges by the heart while man, necessarily, judges by appearances. This is because we cannot see the inside of the heart-even of our own with perfect acuity. So bad fruit or no fruit or good fruit serve as guides, while not totally perfect ones, telling us where the heart is.

I remember hearing or reading about how someone went looking for George Washington, and found him in a room alone on his knees praying. And he said to someone else that's how he knew Washington was a man of God. I do believe that we certainly are obligated to act like a Christian. Otherwise how could we be any kind of a witness?

What bothers me, is the idea that one must do this and that to be saved. I'm sure there are those who have a literal check list of things they must do throughout the month to ensure themselves of their salvation.

One thing I like about the idea of OSAS (which I'm not a proponent of) is that if true, then everything I do for God is strictly out of love for Him. There's nothing in it for me so to speak.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Modern Translations attack the one only verse that teaches the Trinity point blank.
Modern Translations attack the Incarnation which is a test to see if one is of God or not.
Modern Translations try to attack our Lord by the devil trying to be like the most High (i.e. the devil tries to put his name in place of God’s name, etc.).
Modern Translations try to attack the one and only way way to cast out persistent demons (Which is by fasting).
Modern Translations try to attack that you should study to shew yourself approved unto God.
Modern Translations try to attack the inerrancy of Scripture and the preservation of Scripture.

The list goes on and on.

I’m just guessing here but I’m assuming that your referring to John 1:18 when you say that newer versions attack the Trinity. This verse doesn’t attack the Trinity at all but confirms Christ’s deity actually supporting the Trinity. Jehovah’s Witness use this very verse to support their claim that Jesus is not God but is the Son of God. I’m not sure what exact verses your referring to on these other topics.

 

[fhansen]

I remember hearing or reading about how someone went looking for George Washington, and found him in a room alone on his knees praying. And he said to someone else that's how he knew Washington was a man of God. I do believe that we certainly are obligated to act like a Christian. Otherwise how could we be any kind of a witness?

What bothers me, is the idea that one must do this and that to be saved. I'm sure there are those who have a literal check list of things they must do throughout the month to ensure themselves of their salvation.

One thing I like about the idea of OSAS (which I'm not a proponent of) is that if true, then everything I do for God is strictly out of love for Him. There's nothing in it for me so to speak.

Man is, simply, not without obligation. Every day we observe man's failure to fulfill that obligation in this world, where unrighteousness (sin) so often has its way. This should tell us that sumthin' ain't right here.

To sum up Christianity most concisely man is obligated to love-and love would happen to preclude the evil that we all know and suffer from to one degree or another in this world. But to the extent that God has patiently accomplished that work in us, His purpose since Eden, we obey Him of our own will, and not out of the sense of obligation. If it's done purely out of obligation, then its not love.

And yet, when we see the fruits of our failure to love, we should be chastised enough to know that we're not yet perfected in that love, and noT yet totally "sold out" to God, not yet where He would want us according to His purposes and will. I think we already know this intuitively, but, if it quacks like a duck...etc, it probably is one.

 

[Brightfame52]

Scriptural proof for Eternal Security of the Believer in Christ.

The believer has eternal life . John 10:28: “And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.”

 

[fhansen]

Scriptural proof for Eternal Security of the Believer in Christ.

The believer has eternal life . John 10:28: “And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.”

Now, if we could just get our hands on that Book of Life so we'll know with absolute certainty who "they" are, then...we wouldn't need to try to predict who perseveres and who does not. I'd rather just let God be the judge. He's gifted us with whatever we need to make it.

 

[Servus]

Man is, simply, not without obligation. Every day we observe man's failure to fulfill that obligation in this world, where unrighteousness (sin) so often has its way. This should tell us that sumthin' ain't right here.

To sum up Christianity most concisely man is obligated to love-and love would happen to preclude the evil that we all know and suffer from to one degree or another in this world. But to the extent that God has patiently accomplished that work in us, His purpose since Eden, we obey Him of our own will, and not out of the sense of obligation. If it's done purely out of obligation, then its not love.

And yet, when we see the fruits of our failure to love, we should be chastised enough to know that we're not yet perfected in that love, and noT yet totally "sold out" to God, not yet where He would want us according to His purposes and will. I think we already know this intuitively, but, if it quacks like a duck...etc, it probably is one.

It seems like most of your posts are a sermon about obligation as if no one else understands anything about it. Personally to me obligation sounds like something one does because they have to, rather than because they want to. I think doing what God wants is something we should enjoy and derive pleasure and a sense of purpose and accomplishment from.

 

[Servus]

Now, if we could just get our hands on that Book of Life so we'll know with absolute certainty who "they" are, then...we wouldn't need to try to predict who perseveres and who does not. I'd rather just let God be the judge. He's gifted us with whatever we need to make it.

Try reading John 10:28 like this: “And I give unto you eternal life; and you shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck you out of my hand.”

 

[Bible Highlighter]

This is not true for all new translations. The KJV simply has added commentary to the words that were originally written by the authors of the New Testament. Personally I prefer to read what the original authors wrote instead of what a translator thought they were trying to say.

The problem is that we rely upon others in some way when we look at the original languages.
There are also two major lines of manuscripts primarily in use today via by which view you hold on the KJB vs. Modern Translation issue. Nobody can truly know what Koine Greek says without an apostle Paul around to confirm their findings. Nobody can truly know what Biblical Hebrew says without Moses around to correct them. We can only make educated guesses. But what we can do is simply look for the true book of the Lord by doing a fruits test and then trust it.

I’m just guessing here but I’m assuming that your referring to John 1:18 when you say that newer versions attack the Trinity. This verse doesn’t attack the Trinity at all but confirms Christ’s deity actually supporting the Trinity. Jehovah’s Witness use this very verse to support their claim that Jesus is not God but is the Son of God.

I am actually referring to 1 John 5:7 KJB (The comes from the Textus Receptus manuscripts) which is removed from most Modern Translations (that come from the Critical Text or Alexandria, Egypt manuscripts).

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” (1 John 5:7 KJB).

Is 1 John 5:7 KJB supposed to be in your Bible? I believe it is because it can be traced back through history. 1 John 5:7 KJB is the only verse that teaches the Trinity point blank. If you were stranded on a remote island and you knew nothing of Christianity and all you had was a King James Bible, your chances of believing in the Trinity would be highly successful. But if you had an NIV wash up on shore instead, you most likely would not understand the Trinity by reading the Bible because no verse in the NIV says there are three and yet they are one.

I’m not sure what exact verses your referring to on these other topics.

Modern Translations attack the Incarnation which is a test to see if one is of God or not. This is found in 1 John 4:3. If you were to look at the KJB it says, “…every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist,…” (1 John 4:3).

To confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is to acknowledge the Incarnation of Jesus Christ. This is a part of one of the tests to see if somebody is of God or not. The spirit of antichrist denies the Incarnation of Jesus Christ. In the NIV, 1 John 4:3 simply says to acknowledge Jesus as a part of the test to see if a person is of God. The 1 John 4:3 says to confess Jesus only as a part of the test if a person is of God. Both the NIV, and ESV and many other Modern translations fail to have the proper test. It’s obvious that the correct test is the one in the King James Bible because it is an acceptance of the Incarnation (i.e. that Jesus who is God came into the flesh of human beings).

As for the devil’s name inappropriately being in Modern Translations: This would be Revelation 13:1, Daniel 3:25, Isaiah 14:12.

I explain these verses in how they are a problem in Modern Translations in this post here in another thread.

Modern Translations remove the words of Jesus on fasting so as to cast out persistent devils in Matthew 17:21. Just go to Biblehub.com or Biblegateway.com to compare the translations. I can personally testify that this works. So obviously it is a method that the devil does not want believers to know about or it is something he wants believers to doubt such words as being true so as hinder in helping them.

Modern Translations attack that we are to study to show ourselves approved in 2 Timothy 2:15. This verse is altered in Modern Translations to say something else instead. So you do not get the command that tells you to study God’s Holy Word (the Bible). This is why we see an increase of those who think the Bible is not really necessary or not as important.

Modern Translations attack the preservation of Scripture in Psalms 12:6-7. In the King James Bible it says:

“The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” (Psalms 12:6-7).

Here we see God preserves His Words from this generation forever.
But in Modern Translations it talks about preserving His people, or the needy, etc.

Modern Translations are not inerrant.

What does the KJB vs. Modern Translation issue have to do with the unbiblical doctrine of Eternal Security? Because many verses on holiness and salvation are watered down in Modern Translations, too. One big one would be Romans 8:1.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The problem is that we rely upon others in some way when we look at the original languages.
There are also two major lines of manuscripts primarily in use today via by which view you hold on the KJB vs. Modern Translation issue. Nobody can truly know what Koine Greek says without an apostle Paul around to confirm their findings. Nobody can truly know what Biblical Hebrew says without Moses around to correct them. We can only make educated guesses. But what we can do is simply look for the true book of the Lord by doing a fruits test and then trust it.



I am actually referring to 1 John 5:7 KJB (The comes from the Textus Receptus manuscripts) which is removed from most Modern Translations (that come from the Critical Text or Alexandria, Egypt manuscripts).

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” (1 John 5:7 KJB).

Is 1 John 5:7 KJB supposed to be in your Bible? I believe it is because it can be traced back through history. 1 John 5:7 KJB is the only verse that teaches the Trinity point blank. If you were stranded on a remote island and you knew nothing of Christianity and all you had was a King James Bible, your chances of believing in the Trinity would be highly successful. But if you had an NIV wash up on shore instead, you most likely would not understand the Trinity by reading the Bible because no verse in the NIV says there are three and yet they are one.



Modern Translations attack the Incarnation which is a test to see if one is of God or not. This is found in 1 John 4:3. If you were to look at the KJB it says, “…every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist,…” (1 John 4:3).

To confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is to acknowledge the Incarnation of Jesus Christ. This is a part of one of the tests to see if somebody is of God or not. The spirit of antichrist denies the Incarnation of Jesus Christ. In the NIV, 1 John 4:3 simply says to acknowledge Jesus as a part of the test to see if a person is of God. The 1 John 4:3 says to confess Jesus only as a part of the test if a person is of God. Both the NIV, and ESV and many other Modern translations fail to have the proper test. It’s obvious that the correct test is the one in the King James Bible because it is an acceptance of the Incarnation (i.e. that Jesus who is God came into the flesh of human beings).

As for the devil’s name inappropriately being in Modern Translations: This would be Revelation 13:1, Daniel 3:25, Isaiah 14:12.

I explain these verses in how they are a problem in Modern Translations in this post here in another thread.

Modern Translations remove the words of Jesus on fasting so as to cast out persistent devils in Matthew 17:21. Just go to Biblehub.com or Biblegateway.com to compare the translations. I can personally testify that this works. So obviously it is a method that the devil does not want believers to know about or it is something he wants believers to doubt such words as being true so as hinder in helping them.

Modern Translations attack that we are to study to show ourselves approved in 2 Timothy 2:15. This verse is altered in Modern Translations to say something else instead. So you do not get the command that tells you to study God’s Holy Word (the Bible). This is why we see an increase of those who think the Bible is not really necessary or not as important.

Modern Translations attack the preservation of Scripture in Psalms 12:6-7. In the King James Bible it says:

“The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” (Psalms 12:6-7).

Here we see God preserves His Words from this generation forever.
But in Modern Translations it talks about preserving His people, or the needy, etc.

Modern Translations are not inerrant.

What does the KJB vs. Modern Translation issue have to do with the unbiblical doctrine of Eternal Security? Because many verses on holiness and salvation are watered down in Modern Translations, too. One big one would be Romans 8:1.

1 John 5:7 has more older transcripts without the added content than with it.

 

[Servus]

The problem is that we rely upon others in some way when we look at the original languages.
There are also two major lines of manuscripts primarily in use today via by which view you hold on the KJB vs. Modern Translation issue. Nobody can truly know what Koine Greek says without an apostle Paul around to confirm their findings. Nobody can truly know what Biblical Hebrew says without Moses around to correct them. We can only make educated guesses. But what we can do is simply look for the true book of the Lord by doing a fruits test and then trust it.

The thing is that applies to all translations, including the KJV.

When the King James Version of the Bible came off the press of Robert Barker in 1611, it contained an eleven-page preface titled “The Translators to the Reader.” This preface is primarily a defense of the new translation, but it also provides important information about the translators’ views on the subject of Bible translation. It is an embarrassment (or should be) to King James-only advocates because it contains statements from the translators that are in direct opposition to the KJV-only position. It is most unfortunate that this preface is no longer included in modern copies of the KJV.

The Embarrassing Preface to the King James Version - Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary

 

[Brightfame52]

Now, if we could just get our hands on that Book of Life so we'll know with absolute certainty who "they" are, then...we wouldn't need to try to predict who perseveres and who does not. I'd rather just let God be the judge. He's gifted us with whatever we need to make it.

Us knowing who they are has nothing to do with what Jesus said in Jn 10:28

“And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.”

 

[BNR32FAN]

Modern Translations attack the Incarnation which is a test to see if one is of God or not. This is found in 1 John 4:3. If you were to look at the KJB it says, “…every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist,…” (1 John 4:3).

To confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is to acknowledge the Incarnation of Jesus Christ. This is a part of one of the tests to see if somebody is of God or not. The spirit of antichrist denies the Incarnation of Jesus Christ. In the NIV, 1 John 4:3 simply says to acknowledge Jesus as a part of the test to see if a person is of God. The 1 John 4:3 says to confess Jesus only as a part of the test if a person is of God. Both the NIV, and ESV and many other Modern translations fail to have the proper test. It’s obvious that the correct test is the one in the King James Bible because it is an acceptance of the Incarnation (i.e. that Jesus who is God came into the flesh of human beings).

I disagree because look at verse 2 it still teaches that those who are of God confess that Jesus came in the flesh. What this argument is, is simply a way to elevate the KJV above other translations when the KJV actually has added commentary embedded into it that was not in the majority of the older transcripts.

“By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭4:2‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

“This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭4:2‬ ‭NIV‬‬

 

[BNR32FAN]

Us knowing who they are has nothing to do with what Jesus said in Jn 10:28

“And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.”

No one can cause us to be separated by God but ourself. If I’m holding a rabbit in my hand and I say that no one can snatch this rabbit from my hand I have not said that I cannot throw the rabbit away or that the rabbit cannot jump from my hand. John 10:28 only refers to a third party not the individual himself. He cuts off every branch IN ME that beareth not fruit. John 15:2. Anyone who doesn’t abide in Me is cast away to wither and cast into the fire to be burned. John 15:6.

 

[Servus]

No one can cause us to be separated by God but ourself. If I’m holding a rabbit in my hand and I say that no one can snatch this rabbit from my hand I have not said that I cannot throw the rabbit away or that the rabbit cannot jump from my hand. John 10:28 only refers to a third party not the individual himself. He cuts off every branch IN ME that beareth not fruit. John 15:2. Anyone who doesn’t abide in Me is cast away to wither and cast into the fire to be burned. John 15:6.

Is there scripture that says someone who has been born again and received the Holy Spirit, will not / can not bear fruit?