Why do SDA preach

[BobRyan]

I thought the point was that when it came to keeping the ten commandments being reiterated in the New Testament, keeping the sabbath is conspicuously missing.

Some people do imagine that - but in fact the Sabbath commandment is quoted from in part several times in the NT - the one not quoted at all is "Do not take God's name in vain" -- that is not found at all in the NT

 

[BobRyan]

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Matthew 5:33 basically says not to say "I swear to God".

A good example of not quoting "Do not take God's name in vain"

 

[Ceallaigh]

He never said "do not take God's Name in vain" but He did say "keep the commandments" and he did say "the Sabbath was MADE FOR Mankind" Mark 2:27

And James 2 "Walk as He walked" fits with Luke 4 stating that it was Jesus' custom to lead out in Sabbath worship. How many ways are you looking for to find a position in contradiction to Bible details?? (Throw away that shovel).

At least start with the Bible details so obvious that Bible scholars on BOTH sides of the Sabbath debate admit to them. Why make it so hard on yourself?

Could you put the snarky personal remarks aside and just discuss the the topic please?

If I were determined not to read much of the Bible and just wanted the easiest position - I would start with the part so easy that Bible scholars on both sides of a given debate freely admit to them. How does one NOT see that?

Jesus had a lot to say about the sabbath. But He didn't tell the people to keep it or to refrain from breaking it.

 

[BobRyan]

it's that neither Jesus nor the Apostles said to keep it or warned against breaking it.

which is true of "Do not take God's name in vain" but is not true of the Sabbath.

You statement is the real form of a strawman

In the NT We have not one "week day 1 is the LORD's day" but by contrast we have quotes directly from the Sabbath commandment several times as well as "Every Sabbath" Gospel preaching.

I think you're confusing me with Major1

Actually I am speaking to two things

1.What is NOT found in the NT ( you suggest keeping the Sabbath is not found) and I show that not only do we have Sabbath preaching "every Sabbath" in direct contradiction

2- but I also point out what really is not found - which is week-day-1 observance.

 

[Major1]

because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.” Genesis 26:5

What do you do with this text. you say the law was not added until Moses, Scripture says other wise. Now you have avoided answering this question 2 times. Please answer it. If you don't it will expose you for the fraud you are. You do not respect the scripture as you boastfully claim and you are not trying to obey God as you triumphantly pronounce.

Calling me a FRAUD because you do not agree with me is totally unacceptable!

Because you do not have the ability to correctly do the exegesis of Gen. 26:5 you try and blame me for your inability.

Shame on you.

Now I am going to say to you what I actually DID say again. The word SABBATH is not found in the Bible until Exodus 16. I realize that as a SDA advocate you want to believe that it is in Genesis 2....but it is NOT!

Why don't YOU post the Scripture where Abraham is told to obey the SABBATH Law?????

Genesis 2:2-3........
"And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.?

Where is the word SABBATH????

Your whole argument is based on your idea that Abraham obeyed God’s voice, charge, commandments, statutes and laws..............
but where in the Book of Genesis did God relate a charge, utter a commandment, issue a statute, or legislate a law that demanded that each 7th day of the week must be observed?

The Bible facts which You as an SDA do not want to accept is that Nowhere did He do so!

Now.....because I have chosen to disagree with your SDA teaching and quote the Bible to you......You call me a FRAUD!

Is that standard SDA teaching for you to follow when someone actually uses the Bible to disagree with you.????

 

[Ceallaigh]

Some people do imagine that - but in fact the Sabbath commandment is quoted from in part several times in the NT

Where?

- the one not quoted at all is "Do not take God's name in vain" -- that is not found at all in the NT

Matthew 5:34

 

[BobRyan]

He never said "do not take God's Name in vain" but He did say "keep the commandments" and he did say "the Sabbath was MADE FOR Mankind" Mark 2:27

And James 2 "Walk as He walked" fits with Luke 4 stating that it was Jesus' custom to lead out in Sabbath worship....

At least start with the Bible details so obvious that Bible scholars on BOTH sides of the Sabbath debate admit to them. Why make it so hard on yourself?

Could you put the snarky personal remarks aside and just discuss the the topic please?

Ok so then the response to those two points made?

Jesus had a lot to say about the sabbath. But He didn't tell the people to keep it or to refrain from breaking it.

Matt 5 Jesus condemned anyone that would accuse him of what you just said.
Jesus also never mentions "do not take God's name in vain" - ever.
Jesus said "The Sabbath was made FOR mankind" instead of -- ignore it.

Those do not add to "I don't care about the Sabbath"

 

[Ceallaigh]

A good example of not quoting "Do not take God's name in vain"

Why the sarcastic hostility, Bob?

 

[Ceallaigh]

which is true of "Do not take God's name in vain" but is not true of the Sabbath.

You statement is the real form of a strawman

In the NT We have not one "week day 1 is the LORD's day" but by contrast we have quotes directly from the Sabbath commandment several times as well as "Every Sabbath" Gospel preaching.




Actually I am speaking to two things

1.What is NOT found in the NT ( you suggest keeping the Sabbath is not found) and I show that not only do we have Sabbath preaching "every Sabbath" in direct contradiction

2- but I also point out what really is not found - which is week-day-1 observance.

Weekday 1 is an observance of the day of the resurrection, which is why came to be called the Lord's Day.

"Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance." John 20:1

 

[Major1]

I guess in your view God's only holy day and worship are words that don't belong together, but worship on a day God deemed for us to work does. That's why God gave us free will, He will never push God's Sabbath day on anyone. God wants us to want to obey Him, because it's how we express our love and Jesus would never want to force us to love Him or anyone else. God never lets go of us, we let go of God based on our choices.

Please understand. I am not your enemy. I am only posting Bible truths.

 

[Ceallaigh]

Please understand. I am not your enemy. I am only posting Bible truths.

I was notified this is you quoting my post, but I'm not following why you're saying this.

 

[Adventist Heretic]

Calling me a FRAUD because you do not agree with me is totally unacceptable!

I did not call you a Fraud. I said you would be exposed as a fraud if you did not answer the question directly., 2 times you avoided the question. you are the one coming in with theological guns blazing attacking others, telling them they are wrong and you are the only source of valid biblical interpretation. You give a lot of heat for no reason, no one is attacking you they are disagreeing with. so cool your jets, and play by the rules and just answer the questiions. You make a lot assumptions that are not valid.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Weekday 1 is an observance of the day of the resurrection.

"Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance." John 20:1

Which does not say the first day is holy or a commandment of God, but here is the same story repeated in Luke

Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment. Luke 23:56

 

[BobRyan]

Where?

Since you already dropped the point about Sabbath details so obvious that Bible scholars on both sides of the Sabbath debate admit to them I am wondering if you will care where the Exodus 20:11 part of the Sabbath commandment gets quoted. What do you think?

 

[BobRyan]

Matthew 5:34

A good example of a text that does not say "Do not take God's name in vain" -- in fact there are a lot of texts that don't say that.

 

[Ceallaigh]

I did not call you a Fraud. I said you would be exposed as a fraud if you did not answer the question directly., 2 times you avoided the question. you are the one coming in with theological guns blazing attacking others, telling them they are wrong and you are the only source of valid biblical interpretation. You give a lot of heat for no reason, no one is attacking you they are disagreeing with. so cool your jets, and play by the rules and just answer the questiions. You make a lot assumptions that are not valid.

If I'm following this right,

It was addressed in post #566

Excerpt:

Deuteronomy 5:2-3 says
"The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, with all those of us alive here today."

 

[Ceallaigh]

Since you already dropped the point about Sabbath details so obvious that Bible scholars on both sides of the Sabbath debate admit to them I am wondering if you will care where the Exodus 20:11 part of the Sabbath commandment gets quoted. What do you think?

You said, "Some people do imagine that - but in fact the Sabbath commandment is quoted from in part several times in the NT"

And I asked where? I asked this to get a better understanding of what the context of your statement is.

BTW, I'm not interested in verbal fisticuffs. I'm just calmly discussing a topic. I haven't been rude to you, so please don't be rude to me.

 

[BobRyan]

However......and the root of the whole discussion is that the Law was not given to the Church. The 10 Commandments were given to the children of Israel.

The TEN having "honor your father and mother as the first commandment with a promise" are still binding according to Paul in Eph 6:2 and known to Jeremiah and his readers as included in the Law of God "written on heart and mind" under the NEW Covenant Jer 31:31-34 so now wonder Christ and Paul both quote from them.

The Israelites were commanded to keep the Sabbath holy.

No wonder since "The Sabbath was made for mankind" according to Christ.
So then gentiles specifically singled out for Sabbath keeping in Is 56:6 and Gentiles hearing Sabbath preaching "Sabbath after Sabbath" in Acts 13, Acts 17, Acts 18 - etc.

However, no command for Christians to keep the Sabbath is found in the New Testament.

1. No "Do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7 command in the NT
2. "Sabbath was made FOR Mankind" Mark 2:27 in the NT
3. Sabbath commandment quoted from several times in the NT
4. Sabbath services -- in fact "Every Sabbath" gospel preaching Acts 18:4
5. "there REMAINS therefore a SABBATH rest for the people of God" Heb4 -- remains as it was in the days of David

Now.....YOU and every single SDA believers can observe and worship on the Sabbath!

And 100's of other Sabbath keeping groups as well.. so then "noted".

We can banter back and forth all day but the truth is that There is no command in the Bible to keep the Sabbath

1. "Remember the Sabbath day to KEEP It holy.. the 7th day is the Sabbath of the LORD" Ex 20:8-10
2. "There REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God" Heb 4 - as it was in the days of David.
3. "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND Come before Me to worship" for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth
4. Gentiles specifically singled out for Sabbath keeping (for not profaning the Sabbath) Is 56:6

nor was it practiced prior to the giving of the Law on Mount Sinai

No example of "Do not take God's name in vain" -- prior to the giving of the Law on Mount Sinai

. ALL Scripture verses merely document God’s resting from His work on the seventh day.

Lev 23:3 The Sabbath is a day of "holy convocation" of "sacred assembly"

At every point it is shown that your statements are in exact conflict with the text itself and in many of these cases it is also in conflict even with the majority of Bible scholars in almost all Christian denominations - on both sides of the Sabbath debate.

So the "you SDA... you SDA" references don't fly all that well either - in most of those examples you give.

 

[BobRyan]

You said, "Some people do imagine that - but in fact the Sabbath commandment is quoted from in part several times in the NT"

And I asked where? I asked this to get a better understanding of what the context of your statement is.

The context for my statement is that those quotes from the Sabbath commandment are found in the NT in places like the book of Revelation and the book of Acts.

My repeated question for you - that you are still not addressing, is whether you have looked at the implications of your post regarding the subject of Bible scholars on both sides of the Sabbath debate agreeing to certain incredibly obvious Bible details about the Sabbath.

 

[Ceallaigh]

The context for my statement is that those quotes from the Sabbath commandment are found in the NT in places like the book of Revelation and the book of Acts.

Would you please post them them and explain what you are getting at regarding them?

My repeated question for you - that you are still not addressing, is whether you have looked at the implications of your post regarding the subject of Bible scholars on both sides of the Sabbath debate agreeing to certain incredibly obvious Bible details about the Sabbath.

I honestly don't understand what you're talking about.