Your comments in pink above are shamelessly false. Peter's judgment is based on these facts below.Brother, that is because the Holy Spirit grows you slowly to obey the law as James allowed the Holy Spirit to grow "Gentiles who are turning to God" slowly as they listen to the law of Moses each Sabbath.
“It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.” (Acts 15:19-21 NIV)
LOL, You appear to as pushing the law down our throats.Are you ready in your growth with the Holy Spirit to accept God's call to keep the Sabbath in Hebrews 4, so that no one will "perish" by following Israel's example of disobedience? The key to unlocking the message of Hebrews 4 is to separate what it says about each “rest” in comparison. The "rest" that God did not allow them to enter is a saving relationship with God through faith that obeys. This "rest" is compared to the weekly "rest" on Sabbath. Since many biblical characters have saved “rest” before the time of David and after the time of Joshua, the “rest” that was not present in Israel is the "rest" of God’s Sabbath. The comparison tells us that God wants us to keep His weekly Sabbath "rest". It tells us that Israel has not obeyed God's true Sabbath "rest" even until the time of David. This means that Judaism has a Sabbath tradition that is not God's true weekly Sabbath "rest". We can show God that we have a faith that obeys by finding God's true biblical Sabbath "rest".
God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted: “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.” For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works," just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience. (Hebrews 4:7-11 NIV)
United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
Brother, I did not write Hebrews 4! God wrote Hebrews 4 through Paul, your favorite author. I just unlocked Hebrews 4 for you. There is no escape from the written word of God in Hebrews 4 through Paul.LOL, You appear to be as a Pharisee, by pushing the law down our throats.
UNDER THE LAW! (clicky)
UNDER THE LAW!
"Under the law"
Paul is the only one in the Bible who uses this phrase.
It's found 11 times in his writings.
Romans 3:19
(CLV) Ro 3:19
Now we are aware that, whatever the law is saying, it is speaking to those under the law, that every mouth may be barred, and the entire world may become subject to the just verdict of God,
Let's look at this very carefully. The law speaks to those under the law.
The law speaks so that every mouth in the entire world may become subject to YHWH's judgement.
As all are subject to YHWH's verdict; it appears that we have two groups here. One group is already subject to YHWH's judgement. The other would not be subject to YHWH's judgement in absence of his Torah.
The preceding verse serves to further define the behavior of those who are under the law:
(CLV) Ro 3:18
There is not fear of God in front of their eyes.
Why would we fear our loving Abba?
(CLV) Ex 20:20
Then Moses said to the people: Do not fear, for in order to probe you the One, Elohim has come, and in order that the fear of Him should come over your faces, that you may not sin.
What is sin?
(CLV) 1Jn 3:4
Everyone who is doing sin is doing lawlessness also, and sin is lawlessness.
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(CLV) Ro 6:14
For Sin shall not be lording it over you, for you are not under law, but under grace.
Which law?
Paul mentions at least 8 of them in this letter:
The Law of Faith (Ch 3)
A Different Law (Ch 7)
The Law of My Mind (Ch 7)
The Law of Sin (Sin's Law) (Ch 7)
God's Law (Ch 7)
The Spirit's Law of Life (Ch 8)
The Law of Sin and Death (Ch 8)
The Law of Righteousness (Ch 9)
I suppose that if sin is lording over you; then you are under The Law of Sin.
(CLV) Ro 6:15
What then? Should we be sinning, seeing that we are not under law, but under grace? May it not be coming to that!
Paul is telling us in no uncertain terms that we may not sin.
What is sin?
(CLV) 1Jn 3:4
Everyone who is doing sin is doing lawlessness also, and sin is lawlessness.
(CLV) Ro 7:7
What, then, shall we declare? That the law is sin? May it not be coming to that! But sin I knew not except through law. For besides, I had not been aware of coveting except the law said, "You shall not be coveting."
Surely The Law of Sin doesn't prohibit coveting.
I would like to put this Heb 4 thing to REST. The 4th chapter of Hebrews is not telling us to keep the Sabbath. It was telling Jews that they had not entered God's Rest. God's Rest could not have been keeping the 7th day Sabbath, why, because the Jews were already doing that. They had been observing Sabbath since before Sinai. Yet verse 5 tells us they had never entered God's Rest. They rested every seven days as instructed yet they never entered God's Rest. So, we can rule out your reasoning that chapter 4 is referring to observing the 7th day. The chapter is not about keeping Sabbath Jorge, so please stop using it to try to prove it is telling us we have to observe it.Brother, I did not write Hebrews 4! God wrote Hebrews 4 through Paul, your favorite author. I just unlocked Hebrews 4 for you. There is no escape from the written word of God in Hebrews 4 through Paul.
The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law. (Deuteronomy 29:29 NIV)
United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
Amen! The Sabbath "sabbatismos" (used nowhere else in the Bible) rest in Hebrews 4 is in regards to our perpetual rest that is to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in CONTRAST to the weekly Sabbath day under the Law.I would like to put this Heb 4 thing to REST. The 4th chapter of Hebrews is not telling us to keep the Sabbath. It was telling Jews that they had not entered God's Rest. God's Rest could not have been keeping the 7th day Sabbath, why, because the Jews were already doing that. They had been observing Sabbath since before Sinai. Yet verse 5 tells us they had never entered God's Rest. They rested every seven days as instructed yet they never entered God's Rest. So, we can rule out your reasoning that chapter 4 is referring to observing the 7th day. The chapter is not about keeping Sabbath Jorge, so please stop using it to try to prove it is telling us we have to observe it.
First of all Jorge, your comments on Act 15 above is what I'm trying to address with you.Brother, I did not write Hebrews 4! God wrote Hebrews 4 through Paul, your favorite author. I just unlocked Hebrews 4 for you. There is no escape from the written word of God in Hebrews 4 through Paul.
Brother, I agree they weren't keeping God’s “rest”, but what “rest” were they not keeping? The passage may speak of two possible “rest”s listed below: One of these they had and not the other!I would like to put this Heb 4 thing to REST. The 4th chapter of Hebrews is not telling us to keep the Sabbath. It was telling Jews that they had not entered God's Rest.
Scholars have questioned your assumption that Israel kept God’s "rest" day! That's the issue in the following scholarly paper that lists evidence from both sides: “https://www.andrews.edu/library/car/cardigital/Periodicals/AUSS/2008/2008-2/2008-2-03.pdf”. The "rest" they did not have cannot be saving "rest" because many prophets found in the Bible had a saving "rest" during the time when it says Israel did not have God's "rest" day! The only conclusion is that it refers to the true weekly Sabbath "rest" of God, as the scholars have argued in the paper already mentioned.God's Rest could not have been keeping the 7th day Sabbath, why, because the Jews were already doing that. They had been observing Sabbath since before Sinai. Yet verse 5 tells us they had never entered God's Rest. They rested every seven days as instructed yet they never entered God's Rest. So, we can rule out your reasoning that chapter 4 is referring to observing the 7th day.
The chapter is not about keeping Sabbath Jorge, so please stop using it to try to prove it is telling us we have to observe it.
Brothers, the "rest" that we must keep is one that Israel did not have when they could have. They, like us, had a saving "rest": the Bible is full of prophets who had a saving “rest” during the time mentioned. When God says that there remains a Sabbath "rest" for the people of God that Israel could have kept, but did not, God cannot be talking about not having a saving “rest” because many biblical prophets did. God must be talking about the true "rest" of God’s Sabbath, which is the issue in the scholarly paper above.Amen! The Sabbath "sabbatismos" (used nowhere else in the Bible) rest in Hebrews 4 is in regards to our perpetual rest that is to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in CONTRAST to the weekly Sabbath day under the Law.
Brother, the issue was whether they would allow the Holy Spirit to grow "Gentiles who are turning to God" slowly as they listen to the law every Sabbath or if they pressure them to immediately obey the law to make them citizens of Israel faster.First of all Jorge, your comments on Act 15 above is what I'm trying to address with you. What was the reason for the Jerusalem council Jorge?
James assumed there was no need to push their growth when they are exposed to the law every Sabbath and would benefit from it over time.Was it the law of Moses or the Gospel of Jesus Christ the Gentiles was there to hear?
James felt that they should not pressure their growth, since the "Gentiles who are turning to God" hear the law every Sabbath. A recent example of how the Holy Spirit slowly makes us grow is found in Hebrews 4. No one has understood it until now! Now, exposed is everyone to more evidence from Hebrews 4 to know that God wants us to keep the Sabbath. What will you do with this test to obey the Sabbath "rest" as Jesus' return draws near?Was the conclusion of the matter to teach them the law of Moses?
Brother, the issue was whether they would allow the Holy Spirit to grow "Gentiles who are turning to God" slowly as they listen to the law every Sabbath or if they pressure them to immediately obey the law to make them citizens of Israel faster.
remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ... Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household (Ephesians 2:12,13,19 NIV)
All I can say is wow because what James 'felt' or 'assumed' is not written anywhere.James assumed there was no need to push their growth when they are exposed to the law every Sabbath and would benefit from it over time.
“It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.” (Acts 15:19-21 NIV)James felt that they should not pressure their growth, since the "Gentiles who are turning to God" hear the law every Sabbath. A recent example of how the Holy Spirit slowly makes us grow is found in Hebrews 4. No one has understood it until now! Now, exposed is everyone to more evidence from Hebrews 4 to know that God wants us to keep the Sabbath. What will you do with this test to obey the Sabbath "rest" as Jesus' return draws near?
God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted: “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.” For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works," just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience. (Hebrews 4:7-11 NIV)
United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
Brother, why does the Gospel of Jesus save you, to do what? Jesus died so we can do the good things He planned for us "long ago", before sin entered the human family.So it should be clear to all that it's the gospel of Jesus Christ that saves, not the law.
Brother, I did not write Hebrews 4! God wrote Hebrews 4 through Paul, your favorite author. I just unlocked Hebrews 4 for you. There is no escape from the written word of God in Hebrews 4 through Paul.
True. you didn't write it but you're not interpreting it correctly. I cant tell if you're doing that on purpose or not.The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law. (Deuteronomy 29:29 NIV)
United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
Brother, let's take a closer look! My detailed comments will only get better with more time.True. you didn't write it but you're not interpreting it correctly. I cant tell if you're doing that on purpose or not. Let's take a look Jorge. The blue letters are the biblical truth we cant reject. The black letters are my ignorant comments which are disputable. Feel free to discuss, but stay in context with the lesson being taught...please, thx.