Purpose of the sabbath

[HARK!]

You are welcome...

We have within the Author of the Law.

He says - this is the way, walk ye in it.

He says - my sheep hear my voice and they follow me.

He also said - as for you, the anointing which you received from Him remains in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you remain in Him.

He also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

These are the words of YHWH...

Indeed, the law on paper brings curses. It's when we love the law and are obedient to it comes the ברכה.

(CLV) Jb 33:30
To restore his soul from the pit, To enlighten him with the light of the living.

(CLV) Ps 36:9
For with You is the fountain of life; In Your light shall we see light.

(CLV) Pr 6:23
For instruction is a lamp, and law is a light, And the reproofs of admonition are the way to life

(CLV) Dt 30:19
Today I call the heavens and the earth to witness against you: Life and death I have put before you, the blessing and the malediction. Now choose life that you may live, you and your seed,

(CLV) Ro 2:13
For not the listeners to law are just with God, but the doers of law shall be justified.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Do you agree that we have the Author of the Law within us - even the living presence of Jesus, giving us a direct ear to His living Word ?

 

[HARK!]

Actually no you have not addressed any question I have asked of you and you have not provided any scriptures. I asked you how can God's "seventh day" Sabbath of the 4th commandment be a "shadow law" when it points backwards as a memorial of creation and not forward to things to come *Colossians 2:17?

I did answer your question.

Again, honoring the Pesach was a memorial Moed given to Moses, which points to Yahshua liberating us from the ways of the world. Moses is a type of Yahshua. If Yahshua is leading us; we will remain obedient to his father's word. Yahshua's words are his father's words. In the beginning was the word.


If you can't understand my answer; then I'll let someone else water that seed.

Shalom.

 

[HARK!]

Do you agree that we have the Author of the Law within us - even the living presence of Jesus, giving us a direct ear to His living Word ?

Do you understand the difference between instruction and faithfulness?

If so, please show me where it is written that Yahshua is the author of the Torah.

Yahshua said that his words are his Father's words.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Do you understand the difference between instruction and faithfulness?

If so, please show me where it is written that Yahshua is the author of the Torah.

Yahshua said that his words are his Father's words.

Mmmm... are you denying the trinity?

Did Messiah not say "I and my Father are ONE ???

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I did answer your question.

Again, honoring the Pesach was a memorial Moed given to Moses, which points to Yahshua liberating us from the ways of the world. Moses is a type of Yahshua. If Yahshua is leading us; we will remain obedient to his father's word. Yahshua's words are his father's words. In the beginning was the word.


If you can't understand my answer; then I'll let someone else water that seed.

Shalom.

No you didn't we were talking about Gods' 4th commandment. I asked you questions based on the scriptures of Mark 2:27; Exodus 20:8-11 and Genesis 2:1-4 and asked you how can God's "seventh day" Sabbath of the 4th commandment be a "shadow law" when it points backwards as a memorial of creation and not forward to things to come *Colossians 2:17? You do know there were no "shadow laws" when the "seventh day" Sabbath of creation was made for all mankind right because there was no sin, no law and no plan of salvation because there was no law and no Moses? You avoided my questions to you. It is ok like I said earlier you do not have to answer them if you do not want to as your response says enough already. We will agree to disagree.

 

[HARK!]

Mmmm... are you denying the trinity?

Did Messiah not say "I and my Father are ONE ???

Not denying the trinity. Are you denying the trinity? Are you claiming that Yahshua is not distinct from YHWH?

Oneness Pentecostalism (also known as Apostolic, Jesus' Name Pentecostalism, or the Jesus Only movement) is a nontrinitarian movement within the Protestant Christian family of churches known as Pentecostalism. It derives its distinctive name from its teaching on the Godhead, which is popularly referred to as the "Oneness doctrine," a form of Modalistic Monarchianism.[1][2][3] This doctrine states that there is one God, a singular divine spirit, who manifests himself in many ways, including as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.[4] This stands in sharp contrast to the doctrine of three distinct and eternal persons posited by Trinitarian theology.[5]

Oneness Pentecostalism - Wikipedia

 

[Carl Emerson]

Not denying the trinity. Are you denying the trinity? Are you claiming that Yahshua is not distinct from YHWH?

Oneness Pentecostalism (also known as Apostolic, Jesus' Name Pentecostalism, or the Jesus Only movement) is a nontrinitarian movement within the Protestant Christian family of churches known as Pentecostalism. It derives its distinctive name from its teaching on the Godhead, which is popularly referred to as the "Oneness doctrine," a form of Modalistic Monarchianism.[1][2][3] This doctrine states that there is one God, a singular divine spirit, who manifests himself in many ways, including as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.[4] This stands in sharp contrast to the doctrine of three distinct and eternal persons posited by Trinitarian theology.[5]

Oneness Pentecostalism - Wikipedia

In the beginning was The Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

 

[HARK!]

In the beginning was The Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

You didn't answer my question.

A simple yes or no will do.

Do you believe that Yahshua is distinct from YHWH?

 

[Carl Emerson]

I prefer to quote YHWH's Word...

I thought you were saying that was how you test the spirit...

 

[klutedavid]

Yah said that he would write his law on our hearts. If you believe that YHWH will be writing a different law on our hearts, than the ones that were already given; then I would test that spirit. I test the spirits with the word of YHWH.

What exactly was written on our hearts?

Romans 5:5
And hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

 

[klutedavid]

You didn't answer my question.

A simple yes or no will do.

Do you believe that Yahshua is distinct from YHWH?

They are exactly the same identity.

Everything was handed over to Jesus.

Jesus is the Lord of heaven and earth.

Jesus is the alpha and the omega.

Everything holds together in Jesus.

Jesus was in the garden with Adam and Eve.

 

[guevaraj]

Now that was out of left field. traditions you say? Here are the relevant verses from that chapter in Acts. Acts 15 1 Some men came down from Judea and began teaching the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” 5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses.” 6 The apostles and the elders came together to look into this matter. The yoke is obviously the law. How did you get traditions from those verses? 10 Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?

Brother, your point of view contradicts Jesus!

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-20 NIV)​

Anticipating your point of view will also contradict Daniel. Judaism does not accept Jesus because He has not fulfilled "everything" that the prophets said about the messiah. Specifically, "the rock" that hits the statue of Nebuchadnezzar, destroys all earlier empires and establishes a kingdom that will "never" end.

In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands-- a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces. (Daniel 2:44-45a NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[klutedavid]

Brother, your point of view contradicts Jesus!

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-20 NIV)​

We were discussing Acts 15? Somehow you ended up quoting from the Gospel of Matthew.

Back to the verse again.

Acts 15:10
Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?

What is that yoke referring to?

Well it cannot be a tradition of the Jews, tradition is not mentioned in Acts 15.

It sure looks like your interpretation has crashed and burned.

The yoke cannot be anything other than the law.

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[guevaraj]

We were discussing Acts 15? Somehow you ended up quoting from the Gospel of Matthew. Back to the verse again. Acts 15:10 Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? What is that yoke referring to? Well it cannot be a tradition of the Jews, tradition is not mentioned in Acts 15. It sure looks like your interpretation has crashed and burned. The yoke cannot be anything other than the law.

Brother, your comment shows how you came to have a wrong point of view. We are not to interpret the word of God, but allow the Bible to interpret itself. The scriptures interpret themselves when you search for the correct interpretation by not contradicting the rest of the scriptures.

When Joseph came to them the next morning, he saw that they were dejected. So he asked Pharaoh’s officials who were in custody with him in his master’s house, “Why do you look so sad today?” “We both had dreams,” they answered, “but there is no one to interpret them.” Then Joseph said to them, “Do not interpretations belong to God? Tell me your dreams.” (Genesis 40:6-8 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[HIM]

The Written Law has served an important purpose but for the New Covenant believer, is eclipsed by the Law of the Spirit within.
Both remain, because the Spirit uses the Written Law to bring conviction to the unsaved.
The saved under the New Covenant have the indwelling Living Word of the author of the Law.
This is a much more superior line of communication and is specific to individual circumstances in ways the Written Law never was.

Yah said that he would write his law on our hearts. If you believe that YHWH will be writing a different law on our hearts, than the ones that were already given; then I would test that spirit. I test the spirits with the word of YHWH.

What exactly was written on our hearts?

Romans 5:5
And hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

So what Law, Word is in the heart through Christ?

The Engrafted Word which is the Law of Liberty. Which includes and is not limited to The Royal law (love thy neighbor) and the ten commandments, the whole Law, in which we will be judged by.

James explicitly states what laws are in those whom hear God. Follow along please

Let us not be tempted, drawn away by our own Lust, bringing forth sin unto death. For every good gift and perfect gift cometh down from the Father of lights, us. We are Begotten by the word of truth, receive with meekness the engrafted word, the PERFECT gift.

Being Begotten of the word. Be doers of the engrafted word not hearers only deceiving ourselves. For we are Begotten so don't forget who we are when Looking into a mirror at the perfect law of Liberty. Who we now are, the first fruits of His creatures. Begotten through the engrafted word and continue therein when we goeth our way.

Be a doer of the work and we will be blessed in the deeds. Being Begotten with the engrafted Word, The Royal Law, the Whole Law, the Law of Liberty in which we will be judged.

Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Jas 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Jas 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
Jas 1:19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
Jas 1:20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
Jas 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
Jas 1:24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
Jas 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
Jas 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Jas 2:1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
Jas 2:2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
Jas 2:3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
Jas 2:4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
Jas 2:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
Jas 2:6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?
Jas 2:7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

 

[HIM]

(CLV) Hb 3:18
Now to whom does He swear, not to be entering into His stopping (Shabbat), except to the stubborn?

Are we there yet?

Can you explain why YHWH's appointments, aside from Shabbat, will be honored in the Kingdom to come?

Not one iota of the Torah will pass until ALL is fulfilled.

The rest in verse 18 is Israel entering to the promised land. It is being paralleled to that of partaking of Christ. It is not Shabbat (Sabbath)
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 3:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
Heb 3:16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
Heb 3:17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
Heb 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
Heb 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.


Those whom believe have enter into the rest, the partaking of Christ.
Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

The works, the preparation for This rest which is the partaking of Christ which we who do believe have entered have been finished from the foundation of the world.

Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

The works, the preparation for This rest which is the partaking of Christ have been finished from the foundation of the world. FOR when He spake at the certain Place of the Seventh Day He said God did rest from all His works. This would and does include the works for the rest which is the partaking of Christ, the Gospel.

Heb 4:5 And in this again, If they shall enter into my rest.

In this again. In this again what? He speaks of the Seventh Day. For God did rest from all His works. And we will on the Seventh Day, we whom are partaking of Christ, the rest which we are to enter will also rest from our works because He spoke it.

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

There remaineth therefore a Sabbath Keeping for the people of God. Because He spoke for those to whom Have enter into His Rest, the partaking of Christ, the Gospel. For we who have entered into the partaking of Christ cease from our own works on the Seventh Day AS God did from His on the Seventh Day. The word as means it is a direct comparison. How did God cease from work? He stop working physically. So We stop physical work on the Seventh Day like HE did. Did God enter into a Spiritual Rest on the Seventh Day? NO He is always in this state. He stop working physically so we stop working physically as He did because we are already in the state of Spiritual Rest in the partaking of Christ, the true rest which is the Gospel.

Brother, that cannot be true because "Joshua" replaced Moses when Israel entered the promised land and the passage tells us that "Joshua" did not give Israel the true rest that we can enter as God rests every weekly Sabbath.

For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. (Hebrews 4:8 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

What can not be true. Jorge please reread the post.

 

[Ceallaigh]

Brother, your comment shows how you came to have a wrong point of view. We are not to interpret the word of God, but allow the Bible to interpret itself. The scriptures interpret themselves when you search for the correct interpretation by not contradicting the rest of the scriptures.

When Joseph came to them the next morning, he saw that they were dejected. So he asked Pharaoh’s officials who were in custody with him in his master’s house, “Why do you look so sad today?” “We both had dreams,” they answered, “but there is no one to interpret them.” Then Joseph said to them, “Do not interpretations belong to God? Tell me your dreams.” (Genesis 40:6-8 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Those dreams did not interpret themselves. Joseph interpreted them though the help of God. But Joseph didn't start out by saying "thus saith the Lord". He just said, "This is the interpretation of it".

 

[guevaraj]

What can not be true. Jorge please reread the post.

Brother, God doesn't always rest like He rested on the Eden-seventh-day-Sabbath. The next section shows that not everyone before David had entered God's rest as God rested on the Sabbath in Eden because of Israel's disobedience not allowing them to learn it from God when He was teaching the Sabbath with the manna. The invitation to enter God's true rest is from the time of David until the preset by searching the scriptures to obey God's true Sabbath, that God was not able to teach Israel from the time of Joshua until David because of their disobedience preventing them from learning it. To me it is talking about the Sabbath rest that we can all experience every week with God but are not because Judaism never has fully understood God's Sabbath in His word because of their disobedience when God was teaching His true Sabbath with the manna.

Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted: “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.” For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience. (Hebrews 4:6-11 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[HIM]

Brother, God doesn't always rest like He rested on the Eden-seventh-day-Sabbath.

Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted: “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.” For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience. (Hebrews 4:6-11 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Never said He did. Prove the points of the post wrong and we will recant. Posting your opinion without addressing the points of the post proves nothing except that you have differing opinion.