Vaccination injury testimony from many individuals

[Aldebaran]

Christians used to be known for helping the sick, now they are known for denying there is any plague in the first place.

Quote someone here saying that.

 

[Aldebaran]

Yeah, just like what happened with Small Pox.

Oh, wait.

You're right. It didn't happen with smallpox. And there are no variants of Covid either.

Oh, wait.

 

[Aldebaran]

That's a harsh, inappropriately moralistic and counterproductive view of the situation, since peoples "bad choices" inevitably arise from factors at large in the societies in which they live. People generally do the best they can given the circumstances of their lives.

Such as smoking, excessive drinking, doing drugs, engaging in riots....that sort of thing? Blaming society for what people do and giving the people a pass for all those things, and yet shaming those who make the decision to not get injected with an experimental substance is quite a contradiction.

 

[Sodafox]

If your talking abut me I am not even close to 65 and don't worry your already extremely selfish to the point of not caring about others so your fine there

I didn't realize respecting people's right to choose was selfish.

 

[o_mlly]

You are applying statistics improperly. We are talking about the statistics of infected people. You are conflating that with statistics for everyone. And that is at 1.8% right now in the U.S.. The reason that we do not have Spanish Flu levels of deaths is due to the lockdown. If we were as unprepared as they were the number would have been far worse in the U.S.

No, you are quoting statistics incorrectly. If you meant the mortality rate of confirmed infections then you should have written so. And you claim generalities w/o any statistical evidence, ie., "countless people that died of it and were not reported", "In the U.S. at least it is likely to be half of the official number".

Statistics can be hard to understand when presented incorrectly.

Read up on the Spanish Flu -- the lock-downs were symmetrical to the Covid-19 lock-downs.

 

[expos4ever]

....and don't forget ever year get the flu shot too and if you don't sign onto just everything being dished out you're just not a good citizen selfish person that you are!

Yup. What's your point?

Do the terms like "selfish" have no meaning? It seems to me that refusing the vaccination is the dictionary definition of "selfish".

 

[expos4ever]

I just hope when I'm 65+ I'm not so selfish as to encourage young people to do something with a non-zero chance to harm them (and shame those who don't) in order to protect me.

What a complete distortion! Again, to be fair, distortion and outright falsehoods are really the arrows in the quiver of the anti-vaxxer, so perhaps I should not be surprised.

Here is how you are distorting the truth, although it should be obvious. The risk to the young person is miniscule, the risk to the oldster, much higher.

Only a heartless narcissist would advocate eschewing the vaccine in the situation I have characterized in the preceding para.

And that is, of course, precisely the situation with Covid.

 

[Aldebaran]

Yup. What's your point?

Do the terms like "selfish" have no meaning? It seems to me that refusing the vaccination is the dictionary definition of "selfish".

So is venting hatred against people who don't get a shot just because you believe their getting a shot is what's best for you.

 

[Sodafox]

The fact that it is relatively new technology does not make it bad or good in and of itself. Ten years is a tremendous amount of time in medical technology. Perhaps you should consider reading more of your own source...

Unfortunately, governments the world over have been unable to stave off the waves of lies and misinformation about crucial things like public health and medicine. Some cannot because of the limitations placed on them by their political constitutions. Others cannot because they’re locked in an arms race with the technology that amplifies misinformation to global audiences. And then there are the social media companies that walk the fine line between allowing their users to have freedom of expression and not allowing them to spread dangerous rumors.

It took 100 years for us to realize asbestos was harmful to humans. I'd prefer to give 20-30 years of testing before I'll trust something like this.

Don't get me wrong. I hope it's safe. But I wouldn't be surprised in 15-20 years to see a lawyer doing one of those "were you prescribed xyz? If you have abc symptoms you may be entitled to a lawsuit" commercials for the mrna vaccines.

 

[FireDragon76]

But you know right well that some people aren't doing the best they can and you know they can do better. No need therefore to talk about what people generally do. The other persons point made is still valid.

No, I don't know that, and I don't presume to judge people I don't personally know. Judging people with incomplete information is immoral and wrong, it's a kind of dishonesty.

 

[FireDragon76]

Agreed, it is quite a sad affair. I can understand atheist and pagans not helping the sick and not caring but Christians is a new one. That is why I postulated the theory that most are just pretend and don't really mean anything by being "Christian". It gets you in certain clubs and if anyone challenges them to being "Christian" they bristle but when they have to give or help other the response "absolutely not because it may require something of me". More goats pretending to be sheep .

Oh absolutely. This started at least with Constantine making Christianity a state religion for his empire rather than a private mystery religion. Suddenly everybody had to be Christian to be socially respectable.

It's quite depressing to think how many "Christians" hate others. Thank you all who care about others enough to be smart and get vaccinated. I am going to try to leave this thread now.

Salt that's lost its saltiness.

 

[FireDragon76]

Such as smoking, excessive drinking, doing drugs, engaging in riots....that sort of thing? Blaming society for what people do and giving the people a pass for all those things, and yet shaming those who make the decision to not get injected with an experimental substance is quite a contradiction.

I was thinking more of something like diabetes or obesity, a risk factor for severe COVID-19, which has complicated causes in most cases, and isn't even fully understood (the scientific evidence now seems to be that it isn't simply a matter of consuming excess calories).

 

[FireDragon76]

Quote someone here saying that.

I don't have to quote. Your attitude speaks volumes on its own.

 

[FireDragon76]

Why so? The idea was put forth by the other that YES people who didn't take care of their bodies became more prone to get the virus with serious problems. So why wouldn't their poor life styles end up being a threat to you? If you're going to show mercy to one group why not another, that is if both have made poor lifestyle choices.

It's clear you aren't understand the issue, you're trying to turn this into a morality tale instead of focusing on scientific evidence about how viruses are transmitted.

 

[FireDragon76]

So at what point do you say enough is enough? What if every year this same rhetioic get's rolled out over and over and over and over you need a booster, you need a booster come on everybody get your booster remember be a Team player....and don't forget ever year get the flu shot too and if you don't sign onto just everything being dished out you're just not a good citizen selfish person that you are! Would you ever I mean ever come to a place where you stop and pause and wonder if you're really just being made a pin cushion for pharmaceutical companies profit? Ever?



You make it sound like they're just afraid of the feeling of a pin prick. Oh maybe an odd person that way...they won't go to the Dentist so as not to feel the pin prick of a freezing needle. But people aren't pulling back from a vaccine because of the feel of a pin prick. So you need to at least define what you mean they're afraid of a needle. Or maybe this is the way you're thinking....how silly that they're just afraid of the injection feeling itself? You don't think there isn't more to it?

No government or scientific body is recommending a booster vaccine for COVID-19 at this time. The evidence is that the antibodies will last for years, short of some new, unforseen mutation of the virus.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, you are quoting statistics incorrectly. If you meant the mortality rate of confirmed infections then you should have written so. And you claim generalities w/o any statistical evidence, ie., "countless people that died of it and were not reported", "In the U.S. at least it is likely to be half of the official number".

Statistics can be hard to understand when presented incorrectly.

Read up on the Spanish Flu -- the lock-downs were symmetrical to the Covid-19 lock-downs.

Nope, context matters. You jumped into the middle of a conversation. You made an error.

And you might want to look up the definition of "symmetrical" while you are at it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I see I need to say this twice in the one post.

2% die on the plane, 80% of that 2% due to heavy. But if you're a normal weight your individual chance to fall through the plane is only .02% or 1/5000.

Sorry, you had no need to add a qualifier. That was an error. It is better to go with the 1 out of 50 planes crash. When it comes to analogies the simpler the better.

 

[cow451]

It took 100 years for us to realize asbestos was harmful to humans. I'd prefer to give 20-30 years of testing before I'll trust something like this.

Don't get me wrong. I hope it's safe. But I wouldn't be surprised in 15-20 years to see a lawyer doing one of those "were you prescribed xyz? If you have abc symptoms you may be entitled to a lawsuit" commercials for the mrna vaccines.

Comparing asbestos to Covid vaccine? You cannot be serious…

 

[Larniavc]

You're right. It didn't happen with smallpox. And there are no variants of Covid either.

Oh, wait.

I’ve no idea what your reply is supposed to mean.

 

[ThisIsMe123]

You know, it's amazing how many excuses people will come up with NOT to get a vaccine.