Vaccination injury testimony from many individuals

[expos4ever]

Interesting how you defend those who might have made poor lifestyle choices and don't want to be heartless towards them and yet it was you which promoted wanting to see crushing social pressure (your exact words) put on those not vaccinated.

This comparison is clearly misleading. If someone wants to gorge themselves to death, I would like to think I would politely encourage to put down the cheeseburger. However, and this is where your comparison is not fair, that person's addiction to cheeseburgers only harms them (yes, to a certain degree it harms the broader society since we will have to pay a little extra for their health care in countries with universal healthcare).

When you refuse the vaccine you are basically condemning others to needless suffering and death, not to mention the effect of lockdowns that may be attributable to people who refuse to get vaccinated. The unvaccinated are a veritable crucible for the development of variants that can evade the vaccine that the responsible among us have taken, putting all humanity at risk.

And all because they are afraid of a needle.

And that kind of behavior surely merits "crushing social pressure".

 

[Aldebaran]

This comparison is clearly misleading. If someone wants to gorge themselves to death, I would like to think I would politely encourage to put down the cheeseburger. However, and this is where your comparison is not fair, that person's addiction to cheeseburgers only harms them (yes, to a certain degree it harms the broader society since we will have to pay a little extra for their health care in countries with universal healthcare).

When you refuse the vaccine you are basically condemning others to needless suffering and death, not to mention the effect of lockdowns that may be attributable to people who refuse to get vaccinated. The unvaccinated are a veritable crucible for the development of variants that can evade the vaccine that the responsible among us have taken, putting all humanity at risk.

And all because they are afraid of a needle.

And that kind of behavior surely merits "crushing social pressure".

"putting all humanity at risk"? Now you're getting into the type of hyperbole that leads to justifying segregation, incarcerations of entire groups, and even genocide. See for yourself:

 

[expos4ever]

Does that mean we discount and reject ALL the entries including these?

Healthcare providers are required by law to report to VAERS:

• Any adverse event listed in the VAERS Table of Reportable Events Following Vaccination that occurs within the specified time period after vaccinations
• An adverse event listed by the vaccine manufacturer as a contraindication to further doses of the vaccine

No, we do not discount all entries.

But let us be clear: there has been repeated, systematic spreading of falsehoods going on re VAERS. I am not suggesting you are doing so.

At this point, most people here know they are telling fibs when they invoke VAERS. The problem, as has been explained ad nauseum, is that correlation does not imply causation - just because something happens after the vaccine does not mean the vaccine is the cause.

 

[whatbogsends]

To repeat an earlier post, and with credit to ThatRobGuy, here are actual entries from this source that you are implying is a credible repository of vaccine side-effects:

"About 5 hrs after receiving vaccine muscle ache in shoulder. Penis reduced in size, length, and circumference is significant since following day and pain in penal area from day 3 and day 5 most noticeable. Shape of penis has changed (noticed on day 4 due to an erection) and the skin has become loose with the size reduction (like baggy pants.)"

"Explosive Diarhea and a touch of the AIDS"

"I feel like <***> dude!"

"666 Blood clots, heart attack, died 5 times survived, Blood is very thick blood thinners unable to thin"

VAERS contains data of reported adverse effects. You're providing anecdotes relating to the VAERS data.

Somehow, when we post examples of COVID deaths where the person was reported as a COVID death, but actually died in a car accident, those are meaningless anecdotes, and we should just look at the data.

According to the report, Orange County Health Officer Dr. Raul Pino was asked whether two coronavirus victims in their 20s had any underlying medical conditions that could have potentially made them more susceptible to the virus.

Pino's answer was that one of the two people who was listed as a COVID death actually died in a motorcycle crash. Despite health officials knowing the man died in a motorcycle crash, it is unclear whether or not his death was removed from the overall count in the state.

Dr. Pino tells FOX 35 that one "could actually argue that it could have been the COVID-19 that caused him to crash."

Man who died in motorcycle crash counted as COVID-19 death in Florida: Report | WPEC (cbs12.com)

Can we dismiss the entirety of COVID death data because we have anecdotes showing that vehicle accident deaths were counted as COVID deaths? Obviously not.

Can we dismiss the entirety of VAERS reports because we have anecdotes showing that there were some absurd entries in the VAERS system? If we're being consistent, then the answer should be "obviously not".

 

[Bobber]

When you refuse the vaccine you are basically condemning others to needless suffering and death.....

So at what point do you say enough is enough? What if every year this same rhetioic get's rolled out over and over and over and over you need a booster, you need a booster come on everybody get your booster remember be a Team player....and don't forget ever year get the flu shot too and if you don't sign onto just everything being dished out you're just not a good citizen selfish person that you are! Would you ever I mean ever come to a place where you stop and pause and wonder if you're really just being made a pin cushion for pharmaceutical companies profit? Ever?

And all because they are afraid of a needle.

You make it sound like they're just afraid of the feeling of a pin prick. Oh maybe an odd person that way...they won't go to the Dentist so as not to feel the pin prick of a freezing needle. But people aren't pulling back from a vaccine because of the feel of a pin prick. So you need to at least define what you mean they're afraid of a needle. Or maybe this is the way you're thinking....how silly that they're just afraid of the injection feeling itself? You don't think there isn't more to it?

 

[Taodeching]

If the "vaccines" were so safe as is claimed, they wouldn't have to be promoted by people like you as a "self sacrifice".

If people didn't pretend to care until the rubber hits the road and be real Christians then none of this would happen. People as a whole are stupid, but as the deadly variants come through killing those without the shots then maybe people will get just a modicum of smarts.

I will never convince pretend Christians to care about others and the western mind seems to hard headed to actually "love your neighbor" because most do not. They play a good game but are not real about it. Maybe some day Christianity will mean more in the west then just "what's in it for me and don't brother me about others"

No wonder the west is in a post Christian free fall, why be a Christian when they are no different than the world

Peace out.

 

[Sodafox]

I just hope when I'm 65+ I'm not so selfish as to encourage young people to do something with a non-zero chance to harm them (and shame those who don't) in order to protect me.

 

[Strathos]

I just hope when I'm 65+ I'm not so selfish as to encourage young people to do something with a non-zero chance to harm them (and shame those who don't) in order to protect me.

I can't think of a single action that doesn't have a non-zero chance of harming someone. That's just how life is. We just have to weigh the risks, and the risks of the virus are far worse.

 

[FireDragon76]

I just hope when I'm 65+ I'm not so selfish as to encourage young people to do something with a non-zero chance to harm them (and shame those who don't) in order to protect me.

Even if you are young, the virus is much more likely to harm you than the vaccine.

 

[FireDragon76]

If people didn't pretend to care until the rubber hits the road and be real Christians then none of this would happen. People as a whole are stupid, but as the deadly variants come through killing those without the shots then maybe people will get just a modicum of smarts.

I will never convince pretend Christians to care about others and the western mind seems to hard headed to actually "love your neighbor" because most do not. They play a good game but are not real about it. Maybe some day Christianity will mean more in the west then just "what's in it for me and don't brother me about others"

No wonder the west is in a post Christian free fall, why be a Christian when they are no different than the world

Peace out.

Christians used to be known for helping the sick, now they are known for denying there is any plague in the first place.

 

[KCfromNC]

Here's my post from the thread "Covid Vaccines Required"

Anyone have any idea of the relevance of this to my question?

 

[KCfromNC]

So at what point do you say enough is enough? What if every year this same rhetioic get's rolled out over and over and over and over you need a booster, you need a booster come on everybody get your booster remember be a Team player?

Oh no, being subjected to "rhetoric". The humanity! I mean, I know some people are dying from a now-preventable disease, but forget about them, some people have to hear the reasons why their choice to avoid being vaccinated is irresponsible. That's the real tragedy here.

 

[Larniavc]

Antibiotics were overused and increased mutations and resistance of bacteria strains. Overuse of an antiviral that hasn't even been approved by the FDA could result in "variants" or more resistant versions of Covid. So perhaps it's the overuse of Moderna/Pfizer drugs that's creating the variants.

Yeah, just like what happened with Small Pox.

Oh, wait.

 

[FireDragon76]

70+ other issues like a terrible lungs from smoking for life. Like I said, 6 elderly family members of mine got it and survived, so I'm thinking many already had pre-existing health issues.

Also, how heartless and selfish is it to demand someone take something with a non-zero chance of hurting them to protect you from your own bad choices?

*If 80% of the victims were babies I would probably get the vaccine.

That's a harsh, inappropriately moralistic and counterproductive view of the situation, since peoples "bad choices" inevitably arise from factors at large in the societies in which they live. People generally do the best they can given the circumstances of their lives.

 

[FireDragon76]

Interesting how you defend those who might have made poor lifestyle choices and don't want to be heartless towards them and yet it was you which promoted wanting to see crushing social pressure (your exact words) put on those not vaccinated. Why don't you just consider those not getting vaccinated as making poor health choices yet still want to show them mercy? Crushing someone doesn't sound like too much fun.

People that are unvaccinated pose a risk of contagion to the rest of us, so it's a false analogy.

 

[Nithavela]

You might need to change the picture in your sig. At least for a few years. Unfortunately that problem is not going away either.

"Our parents will die of climate change, our children will die of climate change" doesn't have the same impact.

 

[expos4ever]

VAERS contains data of reported adverse effects. You're providing anecdotes relating to the VAERS data.

Somehow, when we post examples of COVID deaths where the person was reported as a COVID death, but actually died in a car accident, those are meaningless anecdotes, and we should just look at the data.

I am, obviously, aware that what I posted were anecdotes. But the more important point is that even the VAERS site itself declares this:

Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event.

and this:

VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning that reports about adverse events are not automatically collected, but require a report to be filed to VAERS. VAERS reports can be submitted voluntarily by anyone, including healthcare providers, patients, or family members. Reports vary in quality and completeness. They often lack details and sometimes can have information that contains errors.

 

[Bobber]

Christians used to be known for helping the sick, now they are known for denying there is any plague in the first place.

Why should you say that? Many, many Christians have been vaccinated.

Some Christians haven't but likewise some non-Christians haven't as well. So why are you even making it about what a certain group is known for. Maybe you just want to focus on one people group for no other reason then you don't like Christians? That's not an accusation but a question.

 

[Bobber]

People that are unvaccinated pose a risk of contagion to the rest of us, so it's a false analogy.

Why so? The idea was put forth by the other that YES people who didn't take care of their bodies became more prone to get the virus with serious problems. So why wouldn't their poor life styles end up being a threat to you? If you're going to show mercy to one group why not another, that is if both have made poor lifestyle choices.

 

[expos4ever]

Somehow, when we post examples of COVID deaths where the person was reported as a COVID death, but actually died in a car accident, those are meaningless anecdotes, and we should just look at the data.

Of course, you misrepresent my position.

And, equally obviously, you have to engage in misrepresentation since the facts are against you.

I will not repeat the detailed explanation I have already given but the gist of it is that to count every death within 28 days of a positive covid test as a covid-caused death - even if the person is run over by a bus - is a reasonable way to assess deaths caused by covid given that we cannot afford to do a detailed investigation into each case. The reason is this: the "over-count" of the death of the guy run over by the bus is offset by the fact you would not count either of the following if you used the 28-day rule:

- someone who factually died from covid but was never tested
- someone who tested positive for covid but died more than 28 days after diagnosis.

Now then: a similar argument cannot be used by the anti-vaxxers in support of using VAERS. Do I really need to explain why?