Vaccination injury testimony from many individuals

[Skreeper]

I keep forgetting that when people suffering debilitating injuries and even death show a side of the vaccine that contradicts popular "science", those people are labeled as nothing more than a "bunch of anecdotes".

You need to provide sufficient evidence before you can claim that these side effects were caused by the vaccine.

If you can't do that then your anecdotes are worthless.

 

[FireDragon76]

I keep forgetting that when people suffering debilitating injuries and even death show a side of the vaccine that contradicts popular "science", those people are labeled as nothing more than a "bunch of anecdotes".

To be blunt, that's exactly what they are.

You are trying to appeal to passions rather than reason.

 

[KCfromNC]

Right but if it still doesn't effect 99% then it still isn't enough to convince people like me to get the vaccine.

Where are you getting the idea that "it still doesn't effect 99%" from?

 

[KCfromNC]

I keep forgetting that when people suffering debilitating injuries and even death show a side of the vaccine that contradicts popular "science", those people are labeled as nothing more than a "bunch of anecdotes".

That wouldn't be the case if anti-vaxxers had actual data to present to back up their fears about the subject.

 

[Strathos]

Where are you getting the idea that "it still doesn't effect 99%" from?

Around 10% of COVID survivors have permanent long-term health issues caused by the virus.

 

[Bobber]

I understand your position and mostly agree. However I disagree with your stance on vaccines precisely because it does affect other people. You choices on how to treat your own body certainly should be your own but if you refuse to take precautions that can affect others society should be able to put restrictions on you to compensate. For example we have laws against pollution even if it is on your own property because it can effect others.

So how you going to know for an absolute fact that one unvaccinated was the cause of a vaccinated person getting sick? Wouldn't that come down to pure and absolutely speculation due to the fact that they're not quite sure of how effective the vaccines are to begin with?

 

[expos4ever]

The people testifying in the video in the OP didn't make "small" sacrifices.

Among the litany of debating sins you and others commit on this topic, this one is probably the one we see the most often - focusing on one aspect of a multi-dimensional issue while covering up the others

How dumb would someone need to be to forgot that the risks of not being vaccinated need to be weighed against the risks of taking the vaccine.

But, of course, you cannot afford to honest about performing this trade-off as it would obviously torpedo your entire position.

 

[Belk]

So how you going to know for an absolute fact that one unvaccinated was the cause of a vaccinated person getting sick? Wouldn't that come down to pure and absolutely speculation due to the fact that they're not quite sure of how effective the vaccines are to begin with?

Who made any claims of absolute knowledge and why would it be relevant? We know vaccines work. We know people who are not vaccinated are a risk.

 

[Sodafox]

Has anyone that you personally know died of COVID19?

Nope, and I've had half a dozen elderly family members get it, survive, and have no long term issues.

 

[Sodafox]

Where are you getting the idea that "it still doesn't effect 99%" from?

Here's my post from the thread "Covid Vaccines Required"

Heart disease also kills approximately 600k in the US each year. Do you also advocate to mandate a ban on fast/junk food?

Using your own words, are those people who are overweight and obese not also overwhelming healthcare systems? Do they not injure their caretakers simply by being too heavy to lift when needed? Do they not leave their families with a gaping hole in their lives with them gone?

Since I'm on the PC this time, I'll link my screenshots and sources.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/cov...le-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.html

Also some quick math:

33mil Covid cases (unsure if repeats. We'll assume no) out of 331mil population in the US. 10% chance to contract it in the first place.

Then:

603000 dead out of 33mil. 1% chance to die because of it. So, total, .1% chance of death from this all together.

Additionally, it appears 78% of the hospitalizations are overweight and obese. So that's, what .03% chance for a healthy person to die from this?

If there's even a .5% chance the vaccine negatively can affect me it's not worth the risk for me to take it to protect .03% of people who deserve the protection, IMO. Again, call me a monster, but these are the numbers.

If .1% is 1/1000 then .03% is 3/10000 correct?

Using this figure (which I know you doubt)



So, approximately 3.33/10,000? I'm as likely to die from the vaccine as I am from Covid itself. But, unlike Covid, which I may never even get in the first place, if I get the vaccine that's it. Those odds aren't worth it to me or my family.

I've also stated previously that I have no intention to be responsible for someone else's health/life choices.

 

[cow451]

Antibiotics were overused and increased mutations and resistance of bacteria strains. Overuse of an antiviral that hasn't even been approved by the FDA could result in "variants" or more resistant versions of Covid. So perhaps it's the overuse of Moderna/Pfizer drugs that's creating the variants.

Viruses mutate. That's what they do. Viruses and bacteria are different.
Half alive, half dead and very small: What makes viruses so hard to kill

 

[expos4ever]

I've also stated previously that I have no intention to be responsible for someone else's health/life choices.

A cynical, distorting characterization crafted to justify selfish behavior by making a highly misleading claim that others are responsible for their own fate if they wind up dead or in hospital.

Is reaching the age of 70 a "poor lifestyle choice"?

And even though it is true that many people make poor lifestyle choices that increase their vulnerability to a bad covid outcome, how heartless it is to refuse a basically safe vaccine to spare them the consequences of such poor choices.

 

[Sodafox]

A cynical, distorting characterization crafted to justify selfish behavior by making a highly misleading claim that others are responsible for their own fate if they wind up dead or in hospital.

Is reaching the age of 70 a "poor lifestyle choice"?

And even though it is true that many people make poor lifestyle choices that increase their vulnerability to a bad covid outcome, how heartless it is to refuse a basically safe vaccine to spare them the consequences of such poor choices.

70+ other issues like a terrible lungs from smoking for life. Like I said, 6 elderly family members of mine got it and survived, so I'm thinking many already had pre-existing health issues.

Also, how heartless and selfish is it to demand someone take something with a non-zero chance of hurting them to protect you from your own bad choices?

*If 80% of the victims were babies I would probably get the vaccine.

 

[Bobber]

Who made any claims of absolute knowledge and why would it be relevant? We know vaccines work. We know people who are not vaccinated are a risk.

But what do you mean they work. From everything I've read they potentially can work and be a benefit but there's no guarantee one still couldn't get covid. All I'm saying is you can't just go ahead and blame the non vaccinated if you got it. Could actually go the other way around. The vaccinated could get it and pass it on to a non vaccinated.

 

[Bobber]

And even though it is true that many people make poor lifestyle choices that increase their vulnerability to a bad covid outcome, how heartless it is to refuse a basically safe vaccine to spare them the consequences of such poor choices.

Interesting how you defend those who might have made poor lifestyle choices and don't want to be heartless towards them and yet it was you which promoted wanting to see crushing social pressure (your exact words) put on those not vaccinated. Why don't you just consider those not getting vaccinated as making poor health choices yet still want to show them mercy? Crushing someone doesn't sound like too much fun.

 

[98cwitr]

That wouldn't be the case if anti-vaxxers had actual data to present to back up their fears about the subject.

Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)

 

[expos4ever]

70+ other issues like a terrible lungs from smoking for life. Like I said, 6 elderly family members of mine got it and survived, so I'm thinking many already had pre-existing health issues.

What, exactly, are you saying here? Surely, you are not drawing a conclusion based on a sample size of 6?

Also, how heartless and selfish is it to demand someone take something with a non-zero chance of hurting them to protect you from your own bad choices?

Nonsense.

First, no one is demanding you do anything. Shaming you, yes. Demanding, no.

Second, you are - and let's be brutally honest - deliberately distorting the truth with this absurd generalization that those who suffer and die from Covid are guilty of bad life decisions.

If you want to talk about life decisions that are poor, those who refuse to be vaccinated quite literally have blood on their hands - they have a practically zero-risk choice to make that will save many lives.

Now that is what I call a poor life choice.

Third, even if it were true that those who die from Covid have made bad life choices, you are still being uncompassionate by not sparing them a death sentence.

 

[expos4ever]

Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)

To repeat an earlier post, and with credit to ThatRobGuy, here are actual entries from this source that you are implying is a credible repository of vaccine side-effects:

"About 5 hrs after receiving vaccine muscle ache in shoulder. Penis reduced in size, length, and circumference is significant since following day and pain in penal area from day 3 and day 5 most noticeable. Shape of penis has changed (noticed on day 4 due to an erection) and the skin has become loose with the size reduction (like baggy pants.)"

"Explosive Diarhea and a touch of the AIDS"

"I feel like <***> dude!"

"666 Blood clots, heart attack, died 5 times survived, Blood is very thick blood thinners unable to thin"

 

[98cwitr]

To repeat an earlier post, and with credit to ThatRobGuy, here are actual entries from this source that you are implying is a credible repository of vaccine side-effects:

"About 5 hrs after receiving vaccine muscle ache in shoulder. Penis reduced in size, length, and circumference is significant since following day and pain in penal area from day 3 and day 5 most noticeable. Shape of penis has changed (noticed on day 4 due to an erection) and the skin has become loose with the size reduction (like baggy pants.)"

"Explosive Diarhea and a touch of the AIDS"

"I feel like <***> dude!"

"666 Blood clots, heart attack, died 5 times survived, Blood is very thick blood thinners unable to thin"

Does that mean we discount and reject ALL the entries including these?

Healthcare providers are required by law to report to VAERS:

• Any adverse event listed in the VAERS Table of Reportable Events Following Vaccination that occurs within the specified time period after vaccinations
• An adverse event listed by the vaccine manufacturer as a contraindication to further doses of the vaccine

 

[Aldebaran]

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