Vaccination injury testimony from many individuals

[Belk]

And you missed my point - if society is expected to all get something that has a non-zero chance to do harm to their bodies to protect against something that really only effects those who are obese or overweight then those people ARE increasing my risk as well. (80%+, and the other ~19% are 65+ with other pre-existing health issues. I linked my source in another thread. It's a pain on mobile to jump around and get that for this one.)

If we're going to go down this road as a society then I will fight to go all in. A sweeping mandate on what vaccines everyone needs to get, a diet and exercise plan, and bans on cigarettes and booze or really anything else unhealthy (sweets, junk food, etc).

Now, trust me when I say I don't want that. Id rather people male their own choices. I'll make mine. I trust my immune system as they should trust theirs or, if they don't (or if later in life I stop trusting my own immune system) they can get vaccines for things others may not want for themselves.

Since I suspect we might go down this road: drink driving is illegal but doesn't mean people don't do it hence it's still my responsibly to be careful driving and why I choose not to drive on holidays. It also (sometimes) has a known perpetrator (hit and runs exist where no justice is served). If we want a similar policy for getting others sick I'd be fine with that. I think it would be difficult or near impossible to prove but if we had a way to do it I'd be all for it.

(There's also a difference between "I've been drinking/I've been sick or in contact with someone sick but I'm going to drive/go to a crowded concert/touch ALL the produce anyway!" vs "I'm sober/not sick/not been in contact with an obviously sick person so I'm going to drive/concert/not touch all the produce except what I intend to buy")

Additionally, while I'm morally against abortion, I don't think I should get a say in what another woman does to her body before the baby is born, and thus think abortion should be legal. Morally abhorrent but legal nonetheless.

I'm also in favor of legalizing all drugs.

I understand your position and mostly agree. However I disagree with your stance on vaccines precisely because it does affect other people. You choices on how to treat your own body certainly should be your own but if you refuse to take precautions that can affect others society should be able to put restrictions on you to compensate. For example we have laws against pollution even if it is on your own property because it can effect others.

 

[Aldebaran]

Then you should read better. The Bible says to love God with your whole heart and love your neighbor, yet I see supposed Christians love themselves over anything else. Will the Son of Men find faith when He comes back? Not in most parts of America because they can't even follow hat Christ wants. As Christians we are not to look out for number one but all anti vaxxers "Christians" do just that love number one even above all else.

The Atheists, Pagans, and Seekers are acting more Christ like than many Christians on here. At least they are following loving their neighbors

None of which addresses what I asked.

 

[Aldebaran]

Anything to maintain number one and "my rights" I reckon.

Pretending to be a Christian is better than being one, loving your neighbor and self sacrifice are just to hard. After all Christianity should be about me and what I can get out of it, others don't matter. - from the mind of me

If you like that type of christianity, then you'd love living in China. They have plenty of self-sacrificing people living in concentration camps, and a neat little social scoring system that monitors your every move so that you stay in line with the communist rulers.

 

[Aldebaran]

Variants keep coming out. We already have Delta, much more transmissable. Now we have Lambda, coming from South America. Apparently vaccines are only 64% effective against it, and cases are more serious. But hey, I would rather have 64% protection than none.

Why do these variants occur? Because not enough people are vaccinated to prevent transmission.

Antibiotics were overused and increased mutations and resistance of bacteria strains. Overuse of an antiviral that hasn't even been approved by the FDA could result in "variants" or more resistant versions of Covid. So perhaps it's the overuse of Moderna/Pfizer drugs that's creating the variants.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Antibiotics were overused and increased mutations and resistance of bacteria strains. Overuse of an antiviral that hasn't even been approved by the FDA could result in "variants" or more resistant versions of Covid. So perhaps it's the overuse of Moderna/Pfizer drugs that's creating the variants.

Vaccines aren't anti-virals.

 

[Aldebaran]

Vaccines aren't anti-virals.

2nd line, 1st word of my post (or the 4th word when you quoted it).

 

[Taodeching]

Ah, you seem to have missed the key point. No one cares if you want to be unhealthy and increase your own risk. It is when you decide that you can increase the risk to the rest of society that it gets involved.

Many want to increase the risk to society, they are uncaring selfish people

None of which addresses what I asked.

Sure does.

If you like that type of christianity, then you'd love living in China. They have plenty of self-sacrificing people living in concentration camps, and a neat little social scoring system that monitors your every move so that you stay in line with the communist rulers.

I see you like pretend Christianity as many American Christians. It's fine as long as you don't have to do anything but one something requires you all to think about others you scurry away like field rats. Real Christianity requires self sacrifice and not think of yourself over others, something most American couldn't begin to do.

 

[FireDragon76]

If you like that type of christianity, then you'd love living in China. They have plenty of self-sacrificing people living in concentration camps, and a neat little social scoring system that monitors your every move so that you stay in line with the communist rulers.

You're presenting false choices, either accept the most ridiculous notion of human nature that includes no natural duties to our fellow human beings, or authoritarian socialism. That's the fallacy of the false dichotomy.

 

[Aldebaran]

I see you like pretend Christianity as many American Christians. It's fine as long as you don't have to do anything but one something requires you all to think about others you scurry away like field rats. Real Christianity requires self sacrifice and not think of yourself over others, something most American couldn't begin to do.

If the "vaccines" were so safe as is claimed, they wouldn't have to be promoted by people like you as a "self sacrifice".

 

[FireDragon76]

Variants keep coming out. We already have Delta, much more transmissable. Now we have Lambda, coming from South America. Apparently vaccines are only 64% effective against it, and cases are more serious. But hey, I would rather have 64% protection than none.

Why do these variants occur? Because not enough people are vaccinated to prevent transmission.

Variants occur because of the unvaccinated. The unvaccinated are the super spreaders. The unvaccinated are imperiling not only themselves but others.

To stop variants we need to stop the number of infections. I am pretty sure Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, and Astrazeneca are hard at work on boosters that will handle Delta and Lambda. I will be first in line.

If that's the case... it's good I stocked up on N95's. If this Lambda variant turns out to be that bad, I'll have another year of relative isolation to look forward to.

 

[Aldebaran]

You're presenting false choices, either accept the most ridiculous notion of human nature that includes no natural duties to our fellow human beings, or authoritarian socialism. That's the fallacy of the false dichotomy.

Now you're the one making strawman claims.

 

[FireDragon76]

Now you're the one making strawman claims.

No, quite the opposite. You're saying to a person commending traditional Christian values, like self-sacrifice and service, that they are equivalent to the most ruthless authoritarian socialist.

 

[FireDragon76]

If the "vaccines" were so safe as is claimed, they wouldn't have to be promoted by people like you as a "self sacrifice".

Not all sacrifices involve ones health. I am sure he is thinking of sacrifice in terms of the miniscule consideration one would be granting towards ones duties to their fellow human beings. A small sacrifice. And even that is too much, apparently.

 

[Aldebaran]

Not all sacrifices involve ones health. I am sure he is thinking of sacrifice in terms of the miniscule consideration one would be granting towards ones duties to their fellow human beings. A small sacrifice. And even that is too much, apparently.

The people testifying in the video in the OP didn't make "small" sacrifices.

 

[FireDragon76]

The people testifying in the video in the OP didn't make "small" sacrifices.

A bunch of anecdotes are not scientific evidence. The scientific evidence points to vaccines being generally safe and effective.

 

[cow451]

The people testifying in the video in the OP didn't make "small" sacrifices.

Nor did the 600,000 that died.

 

[Sodafox]

A bunch of anecdotes are not scientific evidence. The scientific evidence points to vaccines being generally safe and effective.

The evidence also shows that Covid only kills 1% of the people who get it (of which approx. 80% of those are overweight or obese) thus a vaccine is unnecessary for approximately 99% of the population.

I'm done now. I've explained myself enough on this issue.

 

[FireDragon76]

Variants keep coming out. We already have Delta, much more transmissable. Now we have Lambda, coming from South America. Apparently vaccines are only 64% effective against it, and cases are more serious. But hey, I would rather have 64% protection than none.

Why do these variants occur? Because not enough people are vaccinated to prevent transmission.

Variants occur because of the unvaccinated. The unvaccinated are the super spreaders. The unvaccinated are imperiling not only themselves but others.

To stop variants we need to stop the number of infections. I am pretty sure Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, and Astrazeneca are hard at work on boosters that will handle Delta and Lambda. I will be first in line.

BTW, I just fact checked this news story and the concern is mostly related to the fact that the Lambda, widespread in South America, is resistant to the vaccines widely used there. The SinoVac/CoronaVac vaccine is believed to be less effective against this strain, but the mRNA vaccines are believed to be more effective.

 

[Aldebaran]

A bunch of anecdotes are not scientific evidence. The scientific evidence points to vaccines being generally safe and effective.

I keep forgetting that when people suffering debilitating injuries and even death show a side of the vaccine that contradicts popular "science", those people are labeled as nothing more than a "bunch of anecdotes".

 

[Pommer]

The evidence also shows that Covid only kills 1% of the people who get it (of which approx. 80% of those are overweight or obese) thus a vaccine is unnecessary for approximately 99% of the population.

I'm done now. I've explained myself enough on this issue.

Has anyone that you personally know died of COVID19?